Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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I'm updating a summary made before midday. For context, it's about 17:17 in Ukraine right now.

The Russian offensive forms a large pincer and follows four axes.

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Two axes of immediate importance (Kiev, Odessa) which form the strategic pincer and two secondary axes (Sumy - Kharkov and the Donbass).

1st axis (North): Kiev
Coming from Belarus, the offensive on Kiev descended along the Dnieper on both banks of the river.

Left bank: Chernobyl
The Chernobyl area is under the control of the Russian army that continues its progression towards the capital on the left bank of the river.

Russian armoured vehicles should approach the suburbs of Kiev soon.
Information from this front is still vague. We have seen small scale firefights in the Obolon suburb, accompanied by Ukranian claims/paranoia surrounding SF/saboteurs.

It seems Russians have retaken Gostomel airfield to the northwest of the city at least two hours ago, but there hasn't been much fighting since. I've been listening to the Kiev livestream for a good two hours now and it's been dead silent (lmao nevermind, siren just went off for a bit), the Russians are probably consolidating the gains they've made and bringing more materiel up.

This is where shit will go down if the Russians decide to continue to advance.

Right bank: Chernihiv
The area of Chernihiv, on the right bank, where the Russian army is also advancing, but less rapidly. For the time being, Ukrainian units still control the city, but the Russian army is massively infiltrating the area through Belarus without being stopped.

The offensive on the capital itself began last night with Russian cruise missiles ("Kalibr") being fired at strategic central government sites. A Ukrainian SU-27 was destroyed over the city.
Chernigov has been effectively surrounded and besieged.

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''Two shells hit the building of the regional SBU office in Chernihiv. The building is currently on fire. The information was confirmed by the regional department of the State Emergency Service.''

2nd axis (East): Sumy / Kharkov
Fighting was reported in Sumy.

Apparently the city has fallen and the Russian army is heading west towards Kiev.
Sumy still seems to be in Ukranian hands and it looks the Russians have passed it by to the west.

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Kherson is largely infiltrated by Russian troops who are heading for Odessa to lock down the Ukrainian coast by linking up with Russian forces already in Transnistria.
This doesn't seem to be the case. From what we can tell, Russian probing attacks to the south of the bridge were initially repulsed and they've moved up arty to the southern bank of the Dniepr. They've apparantly been shelling Antonivka, which lies to the east of the city:



This ties in with footage of an alleged destroyed Ukranian convey in Oleshky, directly south across the bridge from Kherson:



They are also leaving alone most of the infrastructure. Power, telecommunications, public works, etc.

Not sure what that means. Either they are, in a massive change, avoiding going heavy-handed. Or they are planning to stay and don't want to wreck their new shit.
Putin's goal is either 1. to occupy Ukraine and regime change it or 2. he's trying to cow the Ukranians to the negotiating table with a display of power. In either scenario, going ham on civilians is counterproductive. The few examples of civilians getting hit by ordnance seem to be genuine cases of collateral damage, and it's clear Russian forces have been ordered not to harass the civvies.

That’s where I don’t find it believable. Ukraine is a weak little country and Russia having a hard time taking them over is a laughable claim.
This is silly. The Ukrainian military is obviously militarily inferior to Russia in every way but it doesn't mean it's something that the Russians themselves don't take seriously, because that's how you do struggle against a nominally inferior enemy.

Reminder that it took the Taliban nearly four weeks from the start of their summer offensive to take Kabul and most of the country, from positions which encircled the government's holdings, and that was with quite literally almost zero resistance. The same applies to the Invasion of Iraq in 2003. The people in this thread saying the conquest of Ukraine would be a matter of hours are idiots. Even in the best case, mass capitulations scenario it would take days to secure major objectives at the least.

We're about 30 hours into this and the Russians have made multiple advances against a dug-in and alert defender. It's hard to tell from what we have access to, but it sure seems like resistance is being done in small pockets as opposed to a grand defense.
To be honest, so do the opposing offensives. The Russians have been advancing piecemeal, keeping the bulk of their forces in reserve and carefully picking off designated targets from a distance. They've stalled at Kherson, Mariupol, Chernigov and Kharkov, the first major urban areas they've reached and they're understandably cautious about just running in. The Chernobyl/Gostomel front is where they've been the most brazen, with their VDV assault, but that makes sense given that it's the quickest road towards Kiev. Now that they're maybe 20 km away from the capital, it looks like they're settling down.
 
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Are these guys trustworthy?
Well that all depends on how semantically we're referring to Russia. I'm pretty certain stalingrad would like a word with them on their "moast deaths evar!!!!1!" point. Even of we discount the USSR being "Russia" and play their game then I still doubt it. Imperial Russia in WW1 before the revolution for example.
 
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This is a large conventional war. I dont have a problem thinking the Russians have lost a few thousand already out of their 200,000. there has been very hard fighting in the east around kahrkov and mauripol. this isn't syria or iraq. this is a real war against a real opponent. if the numbers are real the russians have not lost as many as i would have thought.
 
This is a large conventional war. I dont have a problem thinking the Russians have lost a few thousand already out of their 200,000. there has been very hard fighting in the east around kahrkov and mauripol. this isn't syria or iraq. this is a real war against a real opponent. if the numbers are real the russians have not lost as many as i would have thought.
They didn't send all 200k in. The majority of their forces on the border remain there. There's really absolutely no way to know how many were killed. By either side. So any reports that don't include "estimated" are bullshit.
 
Here's some footage of the shelling on the outskirts of Kharkov.


This is supposedly an up-to-date map of the fronts, sorry for the low quality.
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and finally a makeshift barrier blocking the roads to Kiev
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For the majority of people in the west, especially north america and bongland, the concept of war over the last decade or so has been associated with the following:

Differing opinions
Dislikes on social media
Your favourite tv show not being diverse enough
Not pledging allegiance to your country's left wing political party
Not wearing a mask
Not being vaccinated
Going outside
Attending right wing protests
Not attending left wing protests
Saying banned words
Advocating for free speech
Honking
Not supporting burning down your local neighborhood to save the people you claim to protect

They consider all these things the horrors of war (the last one you could argue is warlike, though oddly enough they supported the warlike actions bc "muh social justice"). When your average north american sees an actual war these days its always one of two thoughts.

1. Complete shock that something like this could happen, while virtue signaling and making the situation all about themselves
2. "Omg its just like [insert flavour of the week consoomer media here]. So cool!"
Don't forget cat calling and wolf whistling. Ultimate war crime.
 
Definitely no backfire
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https://archive.ph/PGgfL - bloomberg seems immune to archive hax

If China is restricting financing for commodities, *which China wants*, this is totally lulzy.

It bares being repeated again and again, China is going treat Russia like they treat any other sanctioned shithole that has no other option than to fully rely on China for life support: Like a pimp treats a crack whore he's husstling. Bussiness as usual for the chinky eyed jew, nevermind the propaganda, they always spin it as owning le evil west for stronk country, but nothing good comes for a country by becoming China's little fuckslut.
 
I mean, it's the second part I would question, I assume they mean the Russian Federation when they say Russia.

Russia as the Soviet Union lost like a million soldiers in the Battle of Stalingrad alone. That lasted 5 months, if you average is out, the casualties work out to much more than 1,000 in one day.

Those loss numbers for Stalingrad are garbage. They are generated by considering every single battle and every single death during the entire 1942 German offensive in Southern Russia as part of "battle of Stalingrad". People who died hundreds of miles away from the city of Stalingrad were considered "deaths" in the "battle of Stalingrad".
After the war was over, the Russians decided that Stalingrad had to be the biggest battle in all history and played with the scope of the battle to increase the casualty numbers until it was.
 
Russian forces have broken through Ukrainian defense lines near Kherson. (the southern front)
that happened yesterday, but they cant use the roads and crossings safely untill the city is taken.

I sure hope the tactical garbage trucks stop the tanks
Load them up with Stones and sand and watch the russians break a tank running into them...
 
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