Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

Yeah, this is why, when Joe was made aware of the evil butchers that are cutting off the healthy tits of teenage girls for money, his first instinct was to lie and say it must have been because they had cancer.

Joe knew that if Helen Joyce asked him about that face to face, he would be fucked with no response. There's no talking your way out of that, so best pretend it's not happening, that Helen Joyce is a fascist, the Unherd is far right etc. etc.
 
"Porn-based attacks." Is that like sex-based rights?

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Narc licking his wounds after receiving the worst narc injury in a couple years. Must be treating Mal and Lily like shit right now so he can feel in charge again.
Now that's just pure USI. "the paps cause another accident" yeah he's nowhere near that important, not while Prince Andrew the Kiddie Diddler and Meggers and her Royal Retard are alive.
 
Sweet Jesus. Is “bullshit avalanche” (in the H. Frankfurt sense, where one makes statements without regard for truth) a legit debate tactic? Is this how a staggering penis became number-four debater in all of Kazakhstan?
Such a bullshit avalanche. Joe's handmaidens are in a tizzy trying to hype this into an international human rights abuse war crime. Like they're trying to outdo each other with the lying and exaggerations, portly Joe nailed to the Cross. I don't know who these TransSafety jokers are, but it's a badly-written masterpiece of shrill attempts at disinformation: "You should have said no more often" - The Silencing of a Trans Woman in Public . Yes they mean Joe. Every word is a lie including "the" and "and".
Also, Joe's friend who passed on the cancellation message has cancer- happy, you Nazi Terfs? (They seriously ascribe maximal genocidal evil to GCs or anyone not down with the troon agenda.)

-Joe says he's shadow-banned from Instagram, which would be cool but I'm not sure. It's true that typing "grace lavery" (meaning Joe) doesn't come up when you type it in Insta's truly shitty search box but I remember that's long been true. He's the dingbat who named his account grace.lavery.pangolin so you have to type that. What's the shitbird doing in LA, anyway?

-I just listened to a new Blocked and Reported with Jesse Singal and Katie Herzog. Subscriber only alas. They answer listener's questions, one was, "Who do you disagree with but would want on the show anyway?". They're always very cautious -to an almost I dunno, ostentatious degree?- about pronouns so they talked about "Grace Lavery" for a while but both agreed "she" would get messy and argumentative. Katie seems to quietly loathe Joe more that Jesse does, and did a very good neutral-sounding recap on what actually happened. I'm not saying she browses here but her based points make her sound quite well-informed and I wager she browses here.

Katie: "I think that Grace lies a lot." That it may well be actually Lavery's mom on that twitter account, but that Joe has freely admitted to having multiple sock puppet accounts in the past. Katie describes the "revenge porn" pics ( Jesse ughs and squirms) and correctly says they're not even porn; Mallory is clothed, it looks more like domestic vioence. That Joe publicly posted them on Instagram and they both had a laugh at Joe's claim the pics were in any way "private" or "stolen". "Grace manages to turn herself into a victim even when she's an aggresor. It's sort of genius."

It's only about 8 minutes but a good chat. ( 12:15 to 20:00 )
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I love how the only way Chicken Joe can get things out publicly now is by passing a note to a friend, just like Donald Trump and Roger Stone and Milo and all the other shunned shitstains whose fraternity he is now a member of. Keeping good company there, Chicken Joe!

And it is odd how he keeps passing on messages via anyone but his two wives. I just skimmed Mallory's Twitter and there is nary a mention of the drama; she has spent the last few days tweeting about obscure Pierce Brosnan movies and the Righteous Gemstones.
 
Endlessly frustrating that he conflates public pictures he has posted of HIS FIST IN HER MOUTH and the BunkerSluts ones. Like of the 2-3 that circulate, the fist one is the worst to me. I'm glad Herzog pointed this out. Jesse would never. And in that "Grace Lavery is a martyr" post, they also insist on calling them all private photos.



Here is one of the book talks from Feb. 9. Quite lengthy, but Joe's outfit...


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7:00-18:00 ~ Reading excerpts from Please Miss

18:00-33:00 ~ The interviewer and Joe make the case that the term "memoir" is transmisogynist and that asking trans people for their stories is almost always "coercive," also transition is the same as trying to make yourself understood in language, but also not caring if you're understood

33:00-42:00 ~ Talks about letting subplots peter out to give a feeling of messiness or authenticity, a la Dickens, retaining "the capacity for self-surprise," which paradoxically endears the writer to the audience because they recognize those flawed parts in themselves. I quite enjoyed this part, I think it's a good observation and good writing advice.

38:00 ~ "this book puts the dick in Dickens!"

39:00 ~ "it's a parody of the philosopher who claims to know everything" hmmmmm who does that remind me of. This is the problem, because he never lets the obscure parts just hang out so the audience can play with them and react to them; he has to insist he knows how we're supposed to read him and that any criticism is done by fools rather than people who are closely reading him and pointing out the things about himself he doesn't know but that are plain to those who read his work.

43:00 ~ his pretentious copyright warning

45:45 ~ "I wrote this book to get around 'the law,'" by which he means getting around copyright and libel laws, lol

46:30 ~ he sings "Hamilton" and ... I don't know, thinks he's as good a lyricist as LMM

49:00 ~ says he is writing a "legal romcom" with Buffalo Bill

49:40 ~ First reader question: "I don't trust you, nothing in this book is true." lmaoooo

54:00 ~ VAGINAS. he mimes a clenching vag.

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This can't even convey how funny this is. Hang on.

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56:30 ~ reads some more when he notices that one of his former grad students is on the Zoom call, immediately flips to one of the penis sections.

59:00 ~ another reader question from a NON-BLACK MINORITY trans professor trying to tiptoe around the question, which, reading between the lines, is "why are black students so transphobic?" lmaooooooo

Joe reassures the reader that he doesn't teach black students. I'M SO.

"Why don't black people go to Berkeley?" LMAO.

Joe is like "I don't know, I can't talk about this."

Joe: "My visibility is ... troubling." LMAO. People flee before this hulk of a man.

He makes the point here that white trans women escalate transphobia by being very visible and annoying. This is the exact point he couldn't get without the UK trans calling him out for insisting on doing the debate. LMAO.

And there it ends.


What I got from this is that Joe talks like he writes, in asides and shifts, which makes it hard to follow his point a lot of times. When he's explaining literature, it becomes grounded suddenly and engaging, so I can see why students find him likable (around 27:00 or 28:00, he does a pretty good explanation of a Kafka story). But then he goes off again into 6-7 namedrops of other authors and subcultures that are there for intellectual flourish, the kind of thing that makes sense in his head but that the audience member finds impenetrable. Even a very well-read person can't be expected to keep up with him, since only he knows how he's making connections. Mallory has this same inscrutable catalogue of references that only work when they are geared toward a specific audience type, like white liberal women who have spent a lot of time reading Austen and are distrustful of men. But remember, Joe wanted his memoir to be for middle-aged women looking to be titillated, and what do they get but extended Kafkaesque hate mail parodies and Dickens lit criticism? Nothing. Just like much of Mallory's biblical references go completely over her audience's head.



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Also Joe still has his Substack linked on his site, but it now goes to a Christian blog. Excellent.
 
Dude isn't shadow banned. Just like nobody is buying or reviewing his book, nobody finds him interesting enough to interact with his boring ass content.

99% of the time people claim they're shadow banned, what they're really saying is they can't comprehend that people don't find their banal content interesting and don't understand why they're not getting more asspats.
 
JFC, had no idea Joe sounded like that. doesn't even try. boom boom boom--all about that bass. hasn't tried to modify his man-voice in the least.

why do they all claim to pass with those voices?

why lather yourself up with shitty makeup, thousands of dollars worth of designer clothes, millions of bullshit words about how you have "literally changed sex" ... then open your mouth & remove all doubt. (insert bass) HI FELLOW GIRLS.

do they realize everyone knows they are men as soon as they speak? why bother to do it then? its like all their massive efforts are instantly wasted. young women don't have bass voices. (even old women with deep voices -- most still don't sound like MAN voices, but not sure of the reason for that? vocal patterns?)

one of the twitter terfs likes to say they enjoy the authority and intimidation-factor of the male voice& have no intentions of giving that privilege up. she thinks its a conscious decision.
 
JFC, had no idea Joe sounded like that. doesn't even try. boom boom boom--all about that bass. hasn't tried to modify his man-voice in the least.

why do they all claim to pass with those voices?

why lather yourself up with shitty makeup, thousands of dollars worth of designer clothes, millions of bullshit words about how you have "literally changed sex" ... then open your mouth & remove all doubt. (insert bass) HI FELLOW GIRLS.

do they realize everyone knows they are men as soon as they speak? why bother to do it then? its like all their massive efforts are instantly wasted. young women don't have bass voices. (even old women with deep voices -- most still don't sound like MAN voices, but not sure of the reason for that? vocal patterns?)

one of the twitter terfs likes to say they enjoy the authority and intimidation-factor of the male voice& have no intentions of giving that privilege up. she thinks its a conscious decision.
That's exactly it. They get off on forcing you to pretend they're women even when it is obvious that they aren't. It is the power and control of forcing you to say that 2+2=5. That's the whole point of it. Controlling women but avoiding being called out for misogyny or toxic masculinity because "transwomen are women", too. It's the ultimate power play. They've beat women at their own game.

Of course, it doesn't work if women don't allow them to get away with it. That's why Joe gets so bent out of shape when an uppity cunt like Helen Joyce refuses to be a good girl and suck the tranny dick. She's supposed to be feminine and hate confrontation and be willing to sacrifice to make others happy. That's what women are supposed to do. Boy, do they get really angry when women don't do what they're supposed to do. I bet Mallory's got lots of stories about Joe's temper.
 
-I just listened to a new Blocked and Reported with Jesse Singal and Katie Herzog. Subscriber only alas. They answer listener's questions, one was, "Who do you disagree with but would want on the show anyway?". They're always very cautious -to an almost I dunno, ostentatious degree?- about pronouns so they talked about "Grace Lavery" for a while but both agreed "she" would get messy and argumentative. Katie seems to quietly loathe Joe more that Jesse does, and did a very good neutral-sounding recap on what actually happened. I'm not saying she browses here but her based points make her sound quite well-informed and I wager she browses here.

Katie: "I think that Grace lies a lot." That it may well be actually Lavery's mom on that twitter account, but that Joe has freely admitted to having multiple sock puppet accounts in the past. Katie describes the "revenge porn" pics ( Jesse ughs and squirms) and correctly says they're not even porn; Mallory is clothed, it looks more like domestic vioence. That Joe publicly posted them on Instagram and they both had a laugh at Joe's claim the pics were in any way "private" or "stolen". "Grace manages to turn herself into a victim even when she's an aggresor. It's sort of genius."

It's only about 8 minutes but a good chat. ( 12:15 to 20:00 )
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A few months ago the subject of KF came up on the podcast and Katie asks something like "Isn't that the site that mocks (autistic people|troons|liberals|whatever she said)?" and Jesse corrected her with "Kiwi Farms mocks everyone." So Katie doesn't lurk here, but Jesse might.

On-topic comment: Chicken Joe is a lying piece of shit.
 
If your vagina “clenches” like that, please see a doctor


I'm gonna be honest, I almost only ever use my phone here. Yep, phonidiot right here. But I had to pull out a keyboard for this because I have a rant.


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Seeing Joe Mansplain vagina clenching is like soooooooo hilarious and AWFUL. Dude, okay so some vaginas clench or pulsate with orgasm. But not quite like that I don't think? I mean, there's some movement that theoretically helps sperm move up the cervix and into the uterus for fertilization and implantation. Dude, it's all about the babies... Even when it's not about the babies... our bodies still think it's about the babies. But it's a pulsation and it's just a few times... like 6-10 or something. Everyone is different. Women can actually clench their vaginas on purpose too...

Okay BUT, there is also Vaginismus. That's when either through fear or trauma or simple fluke, your vagina clenches and makes it difficult to have sex. It can even be painful.

What the hell is he talking about? If he has someone's vagina clenching like THAT, static, not in a milder pulsating way, then they either are doing epic kegels or they are having vaginismus which means they don't want to have sex with you.

Also, imagine a man explaining vaginal clenching (with a pencil dick) TO A WOMAN. We don't have to imagine it, he just did that. DUDE YOU DO NOT HAVE A VAGINA. If they make a little cave in your nether regions, you still ain't gonna have a vagina.

I think he's saying that this word refers to the aggressive nature of the vagina during sex, pulling in, grasping, etc vs thinking of sex being about penetration and penetration being more dominant and aggressive. Which is strange because that would change his definition of a woman, right?


SO. Would that change the notion of women being perceived as "taking the passive role during sex?"


It's just all so funny and terrible and I had to 1. Thank you, Trianon, for posting this write up and link. Gosh, you really did the work there. Thank you. and 2. Say so which is it? Are women the passive role in sex or not? and 3. Do you think people are clenching their vaginas around you because they don't want you in them? And 4. Please explain again to a vagina haver about a how vagina works, you old vagina lacker.
 
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Such a bullshit avalanche. Joe's handmaidens are in a tizzy trying to hype this into an international human rights abuse war crime. Like they're trying to outdo each other with the lying and exaggerations, portly Joe nailed to the Cross. I don't know who these TransSafety jokers are, but it's a badly-written masterpiece of shrill attempts at disinformation: "You should have said no more often" - The Silencing of a Trans Woman in Public . Yes they mean Joe. Every word is a lie including "the" and "and".
Also, Joe's friend who passed on the cancellation message has cancer- happy, you Nazi Terfs? (They seriously ascribe maximal genocidal evil to GCs or anyone not down with the troon agenda.)

-Joe says he's shadow-banned from Instagram, which would be cool but I'm not sure. It's true that typing "grace lavery" (meaning Joe) doesn't come up when you type it in Insta's truly shitty search box but I remember that's long been true. He's the dingbat who named his account grace.lavery.pangolin so you have to type that. What's the shitbird doing in LA, anyway?

-I just listened to a new Blocked and Reported with Jesse Singal and Katie Herzog. Subscriber only alas. They answer listener's questions, one was, "Who do you disagree with but would want on the show anyway?". They're always very cautious -to an almost I dunno, ostentatious degree?- about pronouns so they talked about "Grace Lavery" for a while but both agreed "she" would get messy and argumentative. Katie seems to quietly loathe Joe more that Jesse does, and did a very good neutral-sounding recap on what actually happened. I'm not saying she browses here but her based points make her sound quite well-informed and I wager she browses here.

Katie: "I think that Grace lies a lot." That it may well be actually Lavery's mom on that twitter account, but that Joe has freely admitted to having multiple sock puppet accounts in the past. Katie describes the "revenge porn" pics ( Jesse ughs and squirms) and correctly says they're not even porn; Mallory is clothed, it looks more like domestic vioence. That Joe publicly posted them on Instagram and they both had a laugh at Joe's claim the pics were in any way "private" or "stolen". "Grace manages to turn herself into a victim even when she's an aggresor. It's sort of genius."

It's only about 8 minutes but a good chat. ( 12:15 to 20:00 )
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Thanks for the recap. Is there any way to listen to the episode? Usually premium subscriber podcast feeds are available on one of the more obscure podcast player apps but I haven’t found Blocked and Reported yet. Started looking once I saw the drama ITT.
 
So, to answer the questions about his engagement in the TERF Twitter war, he opts to have a softball interview WITH HIS SPOUSE! That's some real hard-hitting journalism there, Mallory. Did you suck his dick before or after the interview?

And I wish we could read the parts that were edited out because you know it was only edited because of its potential use by the Terven as anti-troon ammunition.

Joe, don't get too comfortable. Rhys McKinnon was tenured, too. That troon shield isn't impenetrable. The UK ladies might be leading the troon wars, but the American ladies are finally jumping into the fray. Just ask all those soccer moms in VA. Tick-tock, motherfucker.
 
Joe, don't get too comfortable. Rhys McKinnon was tenured, too. That troon shield isn't impenetrable. The UK ladies might be leading the troon wars, but the American ladies are finally jumping into the fray. Just ask all those soccer moms in VA. Tick-tock, motherfucker.
And the swimming moms and dads who are getting fed up with hulking troon "Lia" Thomas winning every competition.
 
I think he's saying that this word refers to the aggressive nature of the vagina during sex, pulling in, grasping, etc vs thinking of sex about penetration and penetration being more dominant and aggressive. Which is strange because that would change his definition of a woman, right?


SO. Would that change the notion of women being perceived as "taking the passive role during sex?"


It's just all so funny and terrible and I had to 1. Thank you, Trianon, for posting this write up and link. Gosh, you really did the work there. Thank you. and 2. Say so which is it? Are women the passive role in sex or not? and 3. Do you think people are clenching their vaginas around you because they don't want you in them? And 4. Please explain again to a vagina haver about a vagina works, you old vagina lacker.
Yeah, it's so interesting that he's suddenly talking about how ACTIVE the vagina is, almost like he realizes that defining women as "presumed to be passive" is a dog that won't hunt. So now he's been searching for some other academic he can point to that says, "Well, the vagina is obviously very active, but we PRESUME they're passive because society sucks, and that's what a woman is, baby!"

I think it's the same scramble he did when using his original definition. Citing anyone who can justify him putting his foot in his mouth.

The Bitch Media interview:
he would write these little notes about how great he was, and it would sound totally deranged. I mean, it’s obviously indefensible on any number of levels, but I’ve always liked that grasping of the nettle of egomania that everyone who tries to write probably has to grapple with on some level.
lmao

Someone I used to live with described my writing process as watching someone vomit compulsively for hours at a time. Until I got sober, I had literally never written sober, so the experience was very much bound up with vomiting—sometimes in a fairly literal way.
Ah. Now, it's quite possible to write well while heavily drunk (Faulkner, that bastard), but it makes sense that writing is a kind of dry-drinking habit for Joe. A lot of things he does seem to be distractions from something else (writing PM on a phone instead of an actual memoir; beefing on Twitter instead of anything productive).

It also makes sense if we think of this as a digestive system: the laptop is the consumption and the phone is excretion or expulsion.
Does it, Joe? Does it make sense?

Our editors at Bitch wanted me to ask a question about your decision at a public level to engage with transphobes and TERFs. Why do you engage so persistently? Is this a key part of your personality or a tactical decision?
This is a published intervention from Mallory and Lily.

And I take that seriously too. And under normal circumstances I would be much more loath to deviate from that consensus, which is the position that you take, and again the difference in the situation is that I just think trans people are getting our asses kicked. I don’t think we are winning. We are losing very badly and we need a change of strategy.
Man, he switches constantly between their win being inevitable and them losing. The sole deciding factor, I guess, is whether Joe is allowed to yell at terfs on the internet. If he can't do that, they'll lose.

Daniel: Let’s get back to the book.

Grace: No
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One of the first and most decisive claims in the book is that there is a difference between a penis and a dick, for example, and that that difference is not merely accidental [or recent] but structural and fundamental to the way everyone experiences embodiment, people who experience their bodies as having penises and people who experience their bodies as not having penises. And that distinction is one that I derive from a long tradition of psychoanalytic thought, which I’ve done original research on in my scholarly work. [It] also ramifies and shapes contemporary understanding of embodiment, especially in the age of the internet, which is sometimes thought of as a moment of disembodiment [but often] returns people to the body in any number of ways and enables and intensifies [the] experience of the body.
I cannot parse this. There's "a long tradition of psychoanalytic thought" about the difference between a penis and a dick? Or between people who do and don't have penises? "Penis envy" is real? What.

I mean, clearly it is in some way an act of aggression
Seeing a dick unprompted and unsolicited is an act of aggression? How does this relate to the Staniland question and the rights of men to put their dicks in front of women in bathrooms?
 
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