Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Sexual Chocolate said:
Quite likely their shock and awe didn't soften the Ukies up as much as they hoped and the resistance is effective in some places. Russia has kept plenty in reserve tho (again, suggesting they're hoping for a clean victory) so the final outcome isn't in doubt unfortunately.
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My prediction (and hope, tbh) is that Putin was kinda bluffing with the whole ''we'll fully conquer Ukraine and resculpt it in our image'' thing. He's shown he means business and it's inevitable that Russia wins eventually in any kind of protracted conflict, but that doesn't mean that's what he really wants because that'd be a nightmare to have to deal with. Better for Zelensky to realize that NATO is far away and useless and Russia is close and powerful, and that it's time to veer away from any future course that doesn't feature Russia pride of place.
 
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draggs said:
You think Chinese generals and admirals running their own wargames don't set things up so they can go to the Politburo and do the same? They aren't wargaming cakewalks for the PLA, that leads to complacency and politicians deciding to only give you 9 mountains of money not 10 and you really need 10 the national defense is so fucked if we don't get 10 mountains of money ok
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they need to show how great the PLA is. they fake EVERYTHING to make China look good.
 
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Sexual Chocolate said:
The mercifully low number of civilian casualties so far says they're making an effort to keep this as bloodless as possible, they could've just carpet bombed Kiev if they wanted to. They're trying to minimize the collateral damage, not because Putin is a nice guy, but because Russian atrocities being all over the news would hurt them.

It'd make it more likely Nato gets involved, put pressure on China to DISAVOW, and probably be extremely unpopular in Russia itself since they see Ukraine as their dorky little brother, not a hated enemy.

Quite likely their shock and awe didn't soften the Ukies up as much as they hoped and the resistance is effective in some places. Russia has kept plenty in reserve tho (again, suggesting they're hoping for a clean victory) so the final outcome isn't in doubt unfortunately.
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I feel like a lot of Ukrainians hate Russians more than the other way around. The Russian soldiers aren’t as into it. Many of them are orthodox and they’re related peoples. At least that’s the sense I get from the body language of the Russians. If the US invaded Canada, I’d expect a similar response from the US soldiers. It’s why they’re sending the Chechens. They won’t have the same hesitations.
 
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MushroomLandTV said:
I don't even know what's happening anymore, I'm being bombarded (lol) with misinformation from ALL sides. I don't know if the Muscovites are winning, or if the Khohols are losing? Is the Ghost of Kiev even real? Kiev is being nuked tomorrow? Kiev or Kyiv? Why are both sides calling each other Nazis? Are the Ukrainians the Nazis? HOLD ON! BUT THERE'S PHOTOS OF RUSSIAN NAZIS, SO THE RUSSIANS ARE THE NAZIS. But... Zelensky is a Jew!

Fuck, the Internet ruined wars.
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In an information war, civvies don't exist. Welcome to hell.
 
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RA-5C Vigilante said:
I have to believe that not all of the Ukrainian dick waving is fake news. I remember reading that even in the cakewalk invasion of Georgia back in '08 that the Russian staff concluded, soldier for soldier, the Georgians had better adaptability and outfought them. That was a small, NATO and US trained former Soviet army on the defense on home ground, so if they faced a similar, larger army, the same result is probably what they're getting.
But I would say the Russians probably learned from Georgia, considering like 200 generals got ousted and there was a huge overhaul in the military after 2008. But if they still haven't worked out all the kinks, its the same problems they're facing, along with a bigger and better air force and air defense corps to deal with.
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While the Ukraine forces are not gonna win by any means, I think many people in this thread think that its mostly conscripts fighting which is not entirely wrong since they just implemented the draft recently. But prior to that Ukraine had a lot of experienced vets and soldiers training over the past decade because tensions with Russia are tense. From what I have read a bunch of the vets are working with the new recruits forming many hybrid battalions with experienced leadership and young guns.
 
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Hellbound Hellhound said:
I still think that this is going to massively backfire for Russia, even if the Russians do manage to annex Ukraine and turn it into a puppet state. The Ukrainians are not going to surrender easily, and this could quite easily turn into an Afghanistan situation right on Russia's doorstep.
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It could happen but its unlikely. About geographically half the Ukraine (the eastern half) is going to look positively at the whole thing and will probably be happy with a
new semi-independent state detached from the rest of Ukraine. Putin will also determine what the borders of the post-conflict Ukraine will be. And its quiet possible
that they have plans to create a new independent Ukraine with borders drawn that will give it all the economic potential of Belerus.

But we don't really know what their plan is yet. They could ether re-define or scare Ukraine into something that is not a threat to them anymore. Or they could
do something incredibly stupid like attempting to rule through an appointed puppet.

Hellbound Hellhound said:
It's easy for you to post glib nonsense like this when you're not the one being directly affected by it, let alone doing the actual fighting. The actual fact of the matter is that war is hell, and it is inherently socially regressive in it's effects, because it invariably involves poor, young men suffering and dying for the benefit of rich, powerful, old men, and it was forever thus.

Potentially thousands of people are going to die because this conflict; that's thousands of families who are going to be missing fathers, brothers, sons, cousins, and uncles, and it's a personal loss which will be mourned profoundly by these people for the rest of their lives. Do not forget that.
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Alot of Americans pointlessly died in Iraq and Afghanistan for nothing. And generally nobody in the United States cared one way or the other. Unless the losses are very high or other political considerations are at play, people in most countries don't care much about military losses. I mean hell, even recently losing a war and being humiliated didn't phase anyone in the United States.

Putin would be more likely to face a backlash over the economic price they paying for the war and standard of living consequences that will affect people after the war.
 
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More AWS-8Q Than You said:
That's not unusual, the point of wargames is to find weaknesses in our own doctrines and equipment. Also, if we won all our wargames, how do you justify begging Congress for more money? The point of war games is never to set up the rules to fuck over the other guy, you don't learn from that. And convince the idiots in congress that the commander of the Air Force absolutely needs that gold plated coffee maker or else the Russian/Chinese/Terrorists/Whatever will win.
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Wargames that you win all the time, are the military equivalent of bending yourself in half and sucking yourself off. Sure, to you it might be an impressive and self congratulatory feat; but objectively you missed the point, you look like a twat and you've probably damaged yourself in a way you won't really feel until later.
 
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