Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Krokodil Overdose]

I know Kiev is the primary target for the Russians right now but after they take it, what then? I know the idea is that countries generally surrender once their capital is lost but who is to say the Ukrainian government won't fight on?

Run up warscore, and with some favorable RNG taking Odessa as well would make them auto-capitulate them at the cost of 10% global tension.

Seriously, though, decapitate both the civilian and military leadership to break morale.

 

[mindlessobserver]

If the government remains in Kiev and they capture the government itself, they can negotiate something. If the government flees and tries to set itself up somewhere else, they would probably make that their next target. If they capture Kiev, they could also form their own new government for Ukraine. They have multiple options.

But we still don't quite know what the Russian plan is. They seem to have something in mind, but its not clear specifically what.

I expect ukraines government may relocate to Lviv near Poland.

 

[Richardface]

Iraq doesn't border the United States.

Ok since it seems to be hard for people to understand:

You know how when you order tendies from KFC it takes like 15 minutes for Mohammed to deliver it to you? This is because Mohammed has to cross something we call "ground"

Now imagine that rather than Mohammed bringing you chicken tendies from the closest KFC, Mohammed is a battalion tactical groups that has to cross a country the size of western europe, and you will realise that would take time even if there was no opposition

 

[Disheveled Human]

>Comparing America's no-fucks-given policy of forgiven warcrimes to Russia's careful attitude.

Dude they have been shelling cities and apartment buildings lmao turn off Russia Today.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

Better yet take the Russian government's advice and meet someone irl.

*preferably not in the country you're currently invading.

 

[smeckt]

Guys it's fucking over for the Russians. Not only are they are prohibited from participating in homovision song contest, they are also prohibited from incest/blacked/pedohub !!

 

[Saleh]

Kiev won't fall this night.

It's a massive fucking city.

It's ridiculous that they're saying that it will fall in a short time

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

War crime squad assemble!

E: Russia is basically the Harkonnen, with China as the empire.

If Ukraine is the Atredies then, who are the Fremen?

 

[Socrates]

Man this whole thing doesn't make sense to me, of course to be fair I'm a retarded zoomer in most peoples eyes here but if someone could explain one key thing I'd be real appreciative. Why the hell are the troops spread out so much? To minimize damage from an aerial bombardment and perform a pincer attack on the capital? That would make sense to me if Ukraine were an actual threat compared to Russia but they're not, if they just blitzed the hell out of them this would all be over already and they would have had the capital forever ago.

Modern war means establishing air supremacy. Ukraine has semi decent air defenses. These need to be picked out slowly and methodically if you don't want your entire airforce reduced to scrap. The wide dispersion is Russia using it's numbers advantage to force the Ukranians to pick and choose exactly what they want to defend.

 

[BradCarter]

Ehh, local resistance is always going to be a thing.

It's not an occupation, it's never intended to be an occupation. The Russians have said so themselves. They just want Ukraine to tell NATO to fuck off and that's it. It can be in a constant state of insurgency like it has been for the last 10 years after that for all the Russians care

 

[Groundbreaking-maize]

Dude they have been shelling cities and apartment buildings lmao turn off Russia Today.

Of all the people ITT who are gay for putin, his asshole is the most gaping.

 

[Stoneheart]

people will starve in the city if they lose control in Kyiv.

that takes a couple of weeks.
the main problem will be that parts of the army will not give up their arms.

 

[ShoFuKan]

>More video from Kyiv, where heavy fighting is happening now - NEXTA

To use a cringe pop-culture metaphor, it's like seeing Mordor from Minas Tirith.

 

[Jarolleon]

you scoffing at the universally accepted fact that China lies like Ananias about their economy really bolsters your credibility

yeah the Navy ignores chinese anti-ship missiles in its wargames despite every wargame headline of the last 5 years screaming "US NAVY GETS SHIT KICKED OUT OF IT IN WARGAMES BECAUSE CHINESE MISSILES"

little secret, the wargames are always based on a set of assumptions made beforehand that would never actually happen in a war

like

setting the condition that the entire US military network gets shut down so the entire US military is back at WW2 levels of communications and information gathering, sharing, and analysis

or

deciding that every single chink missile strike on single ships or groups of ships or the airbases on Guam or Wake or Japan goes off perfectly for China

or

positing that China has perfect intel about where to find US ships and has perfect assembly of forces in range to attack them all

or

All of the above plus more

in a real war things do not actually happen like that

if wars were won paper

So this is a standoff between a weak empire that does everything possible to portray itself as strong, vs. a strong empire that does everything possible to make itself look weak? Even SocJus virtue signalling is mainly bragging about how much self-harm your organisation is doing, we're created an entire moral system that revolves around making ourselves appear as weak as possible.

 

[Groundbreaking-maize]

If Ukraine is the Atredies then, who are the Fremen?

Ukraine are the Fremen. NATO are the Atreides.

 

[redeyejedi]

Выскажу предположение, что очень скоро в Киеве не будет проспектов Бандеры и Шухевича.

I will suggest that very soon there will be no avenues of Bandera and Shukhevych in Kyiv.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

Ukraine are the Fremen. NATO are the Atreides.

No, no. The Fremen help the Atredies. The Atredies get their shit pushed in by the Harkonnens.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Dude, Russia literally invited a fucking Chechen death-squad to fight alongside them. How far down the rabbit hole are you?

Well in this rabbit hole, we have been seeing lots of live streams from Ukrainian civvies taking vids of the Russian forces and overall the Russianshave left them alone.

And if the chechen have been given the same orders of to not fuck with civvies then their warlord will personal behead them if they disobey.

 

[Richardface]

Kiev won't fall this night.

It's a massive fucking city.

It's ridiculous that they're saying that it will fall in a short time

It will take at least 3 weeks to reach Kabul right

 

[Happy Fish]

>More video from Kyiv, where heavy fighting is happening now - NEXTA
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To us a cringe pop-culture metaphor, it's like seeing Mordor from Minas Tirith.

Quite a firey peaceful protest by Russia