Dramacow Ryulong / Michael Cohen - Fanatic Wikisperg, Anti-Gamergater and All Around Asshole

[Cynical]

Also, just a thought.

So we've got a decent chance of some new Wikipedia material at the end of January.

I doubt it. If he ever tries, his dirty laundry is bound to be aired all over again, and all the crap he did at RationalWiki would be good evidence why he hasn't changed his ways at all.

Also, evidence his objectivity is still nil wold be very easy to locate and use as evidence why he'd go right back to his old ways.

 

[HipstrsGonnaHip]

I doubt it. If he ever tries, his dirty laundry is bound to be aired all over again, and all the crap he did at RationalWiki would be good evidence why he hasn't changed his ways at all.

Also, evidence his objectivity is still nil wold be very easy to locate and use as evidence why he'd go right back to his old ways.

He's still obsessed with wikipedia. He's constantly skyping his friends to make edits on his behalf for the pages that he still de facto owns (despite his ban). There's no way in hell he doesn't try to get his ban reversed.

 

[Cynical]

He's still obsessed with wikipedia. He's constantly skyping his friends to make edits on his behalf for the pages that he still de facto owns (despite his ban). There's no way in hell he doesn't try to get his ban reversed.

I'd love to see him try. With how Wikipedia is starting to get the microscope over ideological editing, I doubt he'll be able to get a backdoor pass back in to continue, even under a sock.

 

[HipstrsGonnaHip]

I'd love to see him try. With how Wikipedia is starting to get the microscope over ideological editing, I doubt he'll be able to get a backdoor pass back in to continue, even under a sock.

He has enough friends in high places that there's a slight chance they'll let him back in with a slap on the wrist and maybe a few topic bans.

 

[Optimus Prime]

He has enough friends in high places that there's a slight chance they'll let him back in with a slap on the wrist and maybe a few topic bans.

Ryulong having his site ban overturned would render the entire point of a Wikipedia site ban being regarded (by Wikipedia) as essentially a tactical nuke.

Looking through the nomination for Admin status he had, the third and final one, some curious things show up:
- The user who nominated him, or at least the account itself, "retired" back in early 2008 and everything was wiped.
- Another user who supported that nomination has not been active since 2012, with the talk page rendered indefinitely protected by a sysop the year before.
- Hell, quickly tabbing through most of these support nominations, every single one of these users either has long since departed Wikipedia or were already major names in that community back in 2007.

And this was almost a decade ago when these people felt the guy would be a good choice because he was so obsessed with editing. Most of them are gone, replaced by newer people and Ryulong pretty much went all-out Judas when it was revealed he was literally getting paid in blatant violation of his duties as a sysop/admin/whatever other titles people directly below Wales himself have.

 

[Jaimas]

Ryulong having his site ban overturned would render the entire point of a Wikipedia site ban being regarded (by Wikipedia) as essentially a tactical nuke.

Looking through the nomination for Admin status he had, the third and final one, some curious things show up:
- The user who nominated him, or at least the account itself, "retired" back in early 2008 and everything was wiped.
- Another user who supported that nomination has not been active since 2012, with the talk page rendered indefinitely protected by a sysop the year before.
- Hell, quickly tabbing through most of these support nominations, every single one of these users either has long since departed Wikipedia or were already major names in that community back in 2007.

And this was almost a decade ago when these people felt the guy would be a good choice because he was so obsessed with editing. Most of them are gone, replaced by newer people and Ryulong pretty much went all-out Judas when it was revealed he was literally getting paid in blatant violation of his duties as a sysop/admin/whatever other titles people directly below Wales himself have.

There was a lot of talk of socking to get Ryulong through the process. I wonder how true that is?

Also, Kiwis, apologies, but I accidentally lost a ton of session data today when another, well-meaning user added a host of useful updates whilst I was trying to add an update. I salvaged what I could; it was bad planning on my part and I'll fix it when time permits.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Does this guy not have a job? If I recall, he did, but got fired because he spent all day at work edit warring instead of actually working. How does he support himself? It doesn't appear that he's on a tugboat, so he must be doing something for money, is someone still supporting him I wonder? Also the Japanese wiki thing is hilarious.

 

[Arietis]

What I'd really want to know is, given that this guy looks so grumpy, spergy and dramaqueen-y... What's his better side? Is he actually funny or nice outside of wiki wars? He has some friends willing to do his errands, so he has to have at least some minimum of something so they don't tell him to gently fuck off. But it really doesn't look like it and that's really baffling. This guy is a Salt Elemental.

Also for someone who lived in Japan, he should know how they work. That's embarrassing to look at because of a little lost-in-translation nuance with a cultural element:
Those who can read Japanese can see that he's using informal speech, which is crazy for someone who claims to have lived there. Notice the editors are directly making fun of him while maintaining polite speech. To them, it'd feel like he's being intentionally rude, and is being handled accordingly.
While he is intentionally rude in English, peppering his comments with expletives and direct insults, the effect is quite amplified in Japanese because of how the rules of the language and social interaction work.

 

[Jaimas]

Between when he joined and when he had his first successful RFA, Ryulong had made over 40,000 edits.

The guy is roughly as prolific on Wikipedia as Wu is on Twitter.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Between when he joined and when he had his first successful RFA, Ryulong had made over 40,000 edits.

The guy is roughly as prolific on Wikipedia as Wu is on Twitter.

They're almost soul mates.

 

[Hellfire]

Cohen has been kicking and screaming on the AfD in his jihad to get this thing deleted: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ration...le_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_(2nd_nomination)

Why in the fuck is a gay, New Yahwka', weaboo jew using "y'all."

So what logical fallacy would you be guilty of for believing something simply because I'm the one telling you it's not the case? Because myself, and plenty of other people across the internet, don't hate Bronies for their sexual proclivities, alleged or otherwise. It's because they're an extremely toxic group of people like every other libertarian/objectivist group borne of 4chan assholes.—Ryulong (talk) 10:34, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

You consider this community to be "toxic", so your judgement record here is not exactly great. And "libertarian/objectivist group borne of 4chan assholes" is just laughable. You go around accusing other people of "snarl words" and "dog whistles" and here you do exactly the same thing. You're no better. All you've said here borders on hatred, and you've probably hurt your own "cause" (to get this article deleted) more than anyone else. Congratulations. Carpetsmoker (talk) 01:25, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh no I've been outed as a bronyphobe. Whatever shall I do? /sneed

Just because I'm saying these things doesn't make them false. Multiple people (a lot more from WHtm) have made these conclusions. The Brony community is overwhelmingly associated with the 4channer MRA/libertarian/"baby's first Ayn Rand book" type. And y'all still are toxic.—Ryulong (talk) 01:33, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Two IP editors participated in the My Little Pony AfD and weren't trying to get it deleted, so Cohen, of course, had to freak out and try to get their votes voided, yelling at one of them on the AfD itself, then went to the AfD's Talk page and asked on the Saloon Bar as well.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ration...le_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_(2nd_nomination)

Just making sure: are BoNs like 70.61.121.86 and 98.27.29.192 even allowed to vote? It's not a policy vote but they are BoNs and they both have less than 75 edits. 70.61.121.86's vote was already struck out but should 98.27.29.192's as well (and don't give me this "partisan" shit Weaseloid)?—Ryulong (talk) 00:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

To repeat what I've said on Weaseloid's talk page: RationalWikiommunity_Standards#Voting (which you linked on the BoN's talk page) refers to "policy votes, which seek to change the Community Standards or similar official policy documents, or penalty votes, which seek to penalize (or change existing penalties for) a user", not AfD votes. To be best of my knowledge, no one ever formulated any "minimal requirements" for an AfD vote. If you want to change it, bring it up in the saloon. Carpetsmoker (talk) 01:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't AFD be considered a policy vote or something?—Ryulong (talk) 01:34, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

No. WēāŝēīōīďMethinks it is a Weasel 01:35, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Why?—Ryulong (talk) 01:36, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Because an article about My Little Pony is not an official policy document similar to the Community Standards. ωεαşεζόίďMethinks it is a Weasel 01:40, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Can I put an arrow that wraps back up to you saying it isn't (until you found out that would be necessary to justify people's exclusion)? WalkerWalkerWalker 01:43, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

↑

Yes, I can. WalkerWalkerWalker 01:48, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Fine.—Ryulong (talk) 02:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

One of the IPs apparently withdrew their own vote, so Michael believed someone had struck out their vote so therefore surely the other IP's vote should be removed as well. He then began to cry when his attempts got reverted.

http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Weaseloid&oldid=1580507

So are you reverting me for the sake of it being me and the BoN's voted to keep or is he acually allowed to vote when another BoN with more edits (and a longer history locally) had his vote struck out by someone else?—Ryulong (talk) 01:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't see any other struck out votes on that page. If you think a genuine RW policy/guideline (rather than one in your own mind) has been violated, the onus is on you to demonstrate it, not to revert war. If it's a judgement call, frankly it shouldn't be yours. WeaseloidMethinks it is a Weasel 01:10, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

70.61.121.86's vote was struck out by himself. I was striking out 98.27.29.192's vote.—Ryulong (talk) 01:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

(ec) RationalWikiommunity_Standards#Voting (which you linked on the BoN's talk page) refers to "policy votes, which seek to change the Community Standards or similar official policy documents, or penalty votes, which seek to penalize (or change existing penalties for) a user", not AfD votes. To be best of my knowledge, no one ever formulated any "minimal requirements" for an AfD vote. Carpetsmoker (talk) 01:17, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. I just thought AFD counted. The other BoN still withdrew their vote though.—Ryulong (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Didn't stop you claiming they "had his vote struck out by someone else" though. ŴêâŝêîôîďMethinks it is a Weasel 01:28, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

I mistakenly thought that was what had happened.—Ryulong (talk) 01:35, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Didn't stop you from berating me for not knowing who'd struck it out. ωεαşεζόίďMethinks it is a Weasel 01:36, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&diff=prev&oldid=1580524

Why isn't there a policy on it and how should it be handled? Discuss.—Ryulong (talk) 02:03, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, let me start with what I consider the obvious: any such policy that might get made would need what could formerly have been called a 141 exception. WalkerWalkerWalker 03:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

This has never been a problem. No need for WikiLawyering. Carpetsmoker (talk) 03:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

The intrinsic problem of trying to ban BoNs from participating in and voting on AfD discussions is that, often times, those articles may have been worked on by a BoNs. It would therefore not be good faith on our part to exclude such editors from having a voice over our content. Gooniepunk (talk) 03:49, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

 

[AnOminous]

What I'd really want to know is, given that this guy looks so grumpy, spergy and dramaqueen-y... What's his better side? Is he actually funny or nice outside of wiki wars? He has some friends willing to do his errands, so he has to have at least some minimum of something so they don't tell him to gently fuck off.

He's like a robot of edit warring, so if you have something to push, he's enough of a mindless puppet to spend 24/7 edit warring for your fruity little agenda. Like an autistic samurai.

 

[Jaimas]

He's like a robot of edit warring, so if you have something to push, he's enough of a mindless puppet to spend 24/7 edit warring for your fruity little agenda. Like an autistic samurai.

He is sent forth in order to fail, because an autist who seeks success in his endeavors is thought to sperg poorly.

 

[XYZpdq]

Why in the fuck is a gay, New Yahwka', weaboo jew using "y'all."

Use of "y'all" is very contagious.

 

[chimpburgers]

Cohen has been kicking and screaming on the AfD in his jihad to get this thing deleted: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Articles_for_deletion/My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_(2nd_nomination)

Why in the fuck is a gay, New Yahwka', weaboo jew using "y'all."



Two IP editors participated in the My Little Pony AfD and weren't trying to get it deleted, so Cohen, of course, had to freak out and try to get their votes voided, yelling at one of them on the AfD itself, then went to the AfD's Talk page and asked on the Saloon Bar as well.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki_talk:Articles_for_deletion/My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_(2nd_nomination)



One of the IPs apparently withdrew their own vote, so Michael believed someone had struck out their vote so therefore surely the other IP's vote should be removed as well. He then began to cry when his attempts got reverted.

http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Weaseloid&oldid=1580507



http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&diff=prev&oldid=1580524

"Y'all" must be his pathetic attempt at a joke. He's so hatable even when tries to be funny.

 

[APerson]

"Y'all" must be his pathetic attempt at a joke. He's so hatable even when tries to be funny.

Lolcows who try for comedy never succeed.
ex: Hayden Black, OPL

 

[Trombonista]

I wasn't going to, but that talk page is so ball-shakingly hilarious I just had to sign up here. Ryulong is, I shit you not, inserting himself into discussions about Japanese linguistics on the Japanese wiki - with language skills somewhere between a lamppost and a kindergardener after watching two seasons of Sailor Moon.
My attempt at translating:





I'm on my phone, so this has been a hard struggle to post. Note Ryu is panicking and requesting the deletion of his blunders (in English of course, because why learn from your mistakes), but if things are still up later I'll definitely give it another go. There's much hilarity to be found in there.

Wait, so Ryulong spent two years on Okinawa- where there is an American military base and quite a few American people- and yet he thought his Japanese was good enough to give him a prominent role in editing the Japanese Wikipedia?

Oh wait, he didn't, because he started posting in English instead.

Maybe he just isn't cut out for wiki-editing.

 

[Cynical]

Wait, so Ryulong spent two years on Okinawa- where there is an American military base and quite a few American people- and yet he thought his Japanese was good enough to give him a prominent role in editing the Japanese Wikipedia?

Oh wait, he didn't, because he started posting in English instead.

Maybe he just isn't cut out for wiki-editing.

Ryulong is basically a weeaboo who found himself a position of power that he tried and failed to abuse to cover his fuckups. It didn't help him on the Japanese WP since he has a typical weeb knowledge of the language and fluent Japanese sodomized his ego. It's also what made his later anger over the "Buddyloids" references trolls make so damn funny, it's a typical weeb l/r mistake (Japanese when translated to English has an issue where L and R are easily confused due the difference between the Roman alphabet and it's romanji equivalents). Even worse, he's a typical fanatic who get shit on by the fans of (insert here) that aren't as fucking crazy and opinionated and handles it in the worst way possible.

 

[Jaimas]

Wait, so Ryulong spent two years on Okinawa- where there is an American military base and quite a few American people- and yet he thought his Japanese was good enough to give him a prominent role in editing the Japanese Wikipedia?

Oh wait, he didn't, because he started posting in English instead.

Maybe he just isn't cut out for wiki-editing.

Ryulong is not a capable or competent editor. He isn't a very good writer and isn't terribly skilled at getting points across. What he is is prolific with his edits, and outright purile with their enforcement. Literally every Wiki on the internet will be richer for his passing.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I honestly wonder if/when he'll just make his own wiki on something for the pure purpose of being in a position of power as head editor and never have to follow the rules anybody else sets ever again.

Yeah, it's essentially a theoretical CWCpedia all over again but it's exactly what RyuDrag wants - his own personal soapbox hiding behind the guise of being actually unbiased fact.