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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Indeed. Which is why if Putin bungles this war and it lasts longer than anticipated, then Putin's reach becomes even more questionable. His survival, even more so. If the Russian Oligarchs begin to see him as a fuck-up who made their nation the laughing stock of the western world due to their army encountering major shits in Ukraine, then they might decide to poison him and blame it on the Americans.
The Oligarchs don't really care unless they lose any form of luxury and the only way Putin is getting killed is in a revolution. Russia has a history of viewing military loss as just more reason to go fight another war.
 
This is interesting, a member of the Duma ia calling for an immediate end to the war, his party( the communists) put forth the Bill to recognize tue DPR and LPR. Buyers remose I guess.

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The Oligarchs don't really care unless they lose any form of luxury and the only way Putin is getting killed is in a revolution.
If the oligarchs get hit by the sanctions and lose their money, they'll get really pissy. They would probably get more pissed off at the sanctions than the bungling of the war. But since the war caused more sanctions to be placed on them, they might get angry at Putin for that, too.

Russia has a history of viewing military loss as just more reason to go fight another war.
That was before Russia's replacement rate fell at a dismal low. Even without this war getting Russians killed, Russians will eventually die out due to dismal replacement rates and rampant abortion. Back then, they could always count on the next generation to avenge their losses, but now? It doesn't look like Russia will last for that much longer.

This is interesting, a member of the Duma ia calling for an immediate end to the war, his party( the communists) put forth the Bill to recognize tue DPR and LPR. Buyers remose I guess.

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First, the protestors, then we hear of Russian soldiers not even being sure about this war, and now this.

It's obvious that God wants Putin to give peace a chance. The only question is, will Putin be smart enough to go for it?
 
Russia still has to maintain its airforce in other sectors, they don't just hurl every fucking plane into a war at once, their army still has to maintain positions near the Baltic states, Finland and keep an eye over in Vladivostok plus the security detail in Khazakstan. Russia still has forces in Syria as well. The committed air assets to Ukraine are nowhere near where you expect them to be.
I'm aware of that. My point is with a 10-1 advantage in numbers, with their mobile air defenses which are supposed to be the best in the world, and despite every Ukrainian airbase being in easy striking range of the Russians they absolutely should have fucking neutralised them far more effectively than they have by now and the fact they haven't is a problem. Will they eventually? yes. Just like eventually their ground forces will overwhelm the Ukrainians, the problem is "eventually" is not really good enough when this entire fucking shitshow was supposed to be a roflstomp designed to allow them to flex themselves on the world stage.
 
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Crematoriums don't work that quickly so I'm not sure how this would make sense. The video the UK put out of it also showed them putting a bag of trash in so some are arguing it's just a mobile trash incinerator.
Would think there'd be more evidence than just a promotional video from the UK if they were really using such a thing during this invasion.
It's propaganda. This is the same shit they said the Chinese were using to dispose of people who had Covid when that bullshit started.
 
While I think two days since the beginning of the Russian offensive is too early to judge their overall performance, that they've supposedly had two IL-76s shot down is baffling. If there is truth to that I'd say rushing cargo planes into contested airspace is indeed an early sign that Russia's been making some really questionable tactical decisions here.
 
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I'm aware of that. My point is with a 10-1 advantage in numbers, with their mobile air defenses which are supposed to be the best in the world, and despite every Ukrainian airbase being in easy striking range of the Russians they absolutely should have fucking neutralised them far more effectively than they have by now and the fact they haven't is a problem. Will they eventually? yes. Just like eventually their ground forces will overwhelm the Ukrainians, the problem is "eventually" is not really good enough when this entire fucking shitshow was supposed to be a roflstomp designed to allow them to flex themselves on the world stage.
Instead of a roflstomp, we get an increasingly bogged-down campaign where a Pyrrhic victory is the more likely conclusion. That would be a severe blow to Russia's credibility as a world power, and would embolden all NATO countries to fight harder.

Perhaps Russia shouldn't have let their insane leader start a fucking war then??
They really shouldn't have, but this is what you get when you have a dictator who is surrounded by suck-ups. All the smart ones leave or get purged. This isn't the first time Russia had this; Stalin also purged many ranking generals in the Soviet army, which made Hitler's job much easier during the early months of Operation: Barbarossa.

While I think two days since the beginning of the Russian offensive is too early to judge their overall performance, the fact that they've supposedly had two IL-76s shot down is baffling. If there is truth to that I'd say rushing cargo planes into contested airspace is indeed an early sign that Russia's been making some really questionable tactical decisions here.
If the Russians actually had two brain cells to rub, Kiev would have fallen somewhere between 12-24 hours ago. This campaign reeks of desperation. And against an enemy that's smaller than them and is RIGHT NEXT DOOR. With a capital that's within spitting distance of friendly borders. It looks like the Russian army will gain its victory over Ukraine in the same glorious way the Chinese gained their "victory" in the Korean War: by using human-wave tactics and suffering massive losses.
 
While I think two days since the beginning of the Russian offensive is too early to judge their overall performance, the fact that they've supposedly had two IL-76s shot down is baffling. If there is truth to that I'd say rushing cargo planes into contested airspace is indeed an early sign that Russia's been making some really questionable tactical decisions here.
I am assuming the Il-76 shootdown is a lie until I see wreckage. When MH-17 got shot down, the world saw images of the debris within hours. The Ghost of Kyiv probably shot down the Il-76s over Kiev, shooting down an Su-25 over Crimea just minutes earlier.
 
Gotta say, I appreciate the irony of Western radlibs falling for the propaganda about Putin being a white nationalist homophobic nazi Hitler and rooting for a white ethnostate defending itself against a multiethnic empire with expansionist ambitions. I've seen some pictures of captured Russian soldiers and half of them wouldn't look out of place storming the borders of multiple European countries back in 2015 in order to get some of those generous German social benefits. Do they think Ukraine is 90% black and that Ukrainians love trans rights and drag queen story hour? I dunno as someone who's on the side of Ukraine I guess I'll take what I can get.

>muh Ukrainians are Slavs so they aren't whi-
Shut up, nigger.
 
And of course, if the Ukrainians do enough damage while the Russians roll them over, that won't scare the other NATO countries. That would embolden them. The Ukrainians will become martyrs, and the other nations will fight just as hard, if not harder, knowing that the Russian bear can bleed. If some Z-list ex-Soviet Republic was capable of doing THAT to the Russians, just imagine what the rest of Europe can do. And since Russia didn't start this war with high morale, this is going to hurt Russia more than it will the west.

The west woke up with a shock when Russia invaded. But now, it seems like this war will end with Russia bleeding and the west laughing its ass off at the Russian bear.
A part of me hopes China sees this resistance and thinks twice about invading taiwan. It's probably too much to hope for but.. we'll see.
 

Bet they're really fucking regretting this right now.
They really shouldn't have given those bad boys up.

A part of me hopes China sees this resistance and thinks twice about invading taiwan. It's probably too much to hope for but.. we'll see.
Considering the state of the PLA, they probably are. Especially when the last war they "won" was the Korean War, and their army is almost entirely comprised of noobs from the "one-child" generation, many of whom got really spoiled because they were their family's only heir.
 
Gotta say, I appreciate the irony of Western radlibs falling for the propaganda about Putin being a white nationalist homophobic nazi Hitler and rooting for a white ethnostate defending itself against a multiethnic empire with expansionist ambitions. I've seen some pictures of captured Russian soldiers and half of them wouldn't look out of place storming the borders of multiple European countries back in 2015 in order to get some of those generous German social benefits. Do they think Ukraine is 90% black and that Ukrainians love trans rights and drag queen story hour? I dunno as someone who's on the side of Ukraine I guess I'll take what I can get.

>muh Ukrainians are Slavs so they aren't whi-
Shut up, nigger.

Nah, I've actually seen radlibs posting about how the Ukranian National Guard is infested with neo Nazis lol. And pointing out that I was in office when Zelensky was installed. I was kind of hoping this might get some radlibs to take the NazBol pill because it'd be funny, but alas they have not.
 
A part of me hopes China sees this resistance and thinks twice about invading taiwan. It's probably too much to hope for but.. we'll see.
China is busy building up its navy before it would consider such an adventure. at the moment they're building 4 Aircraft carriers at once, they'll want overwhelming superiority in local regional assets, such a conflict would probably have one or two American battlegroups nearby versus 10 Chinese aircraft carriers and numerous escort ships, along with the ground based aircraft. The US would quickly withdrawal all forces far to the east of Taiwan and do nothing. Also this timetable is way out towards 2030 when these ships are completed, the US will also be substantially weaker by 2030 as well. An assault on Taiwan would yield the same level of kvetching and do-nothing that is occurring right now with Ukraine, these braindead nations have to understand by now that the West's promises of security are fraudulent. We're going to enter a decade or two where nobody will trust the US after the trifecta of Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine... this occurred right after Vietnam collapsed and absolutely no nation would take the US' assurances seriously until Desert Storm.
 
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China is busy building up its navy before it would consider such an adventure. at the moment they're building 4 Aircraft carriers at once, they'll want overwhelming superiority in local regional assets, such a conflict would probably have one or two American battlegroups nearby versus 10 Chinese aircraft carriers and numerous escort ships, along with the ground based aircraft. The US would quickly withdrawal all forces far to the east of Taiwan and do nothing. Also this timetable is way out towards 2030 when these ships are completed, the US will also be substantially weaker by 2030 as well. An assault on Taiwan would yield the same level of kvetching and do-nothing that is occurring right now with Ukraine, these braindead nations have to understand by now that the West's promises of security are fraudulent. We're going to enter a decade or two where nobody will trust the US after the trifecta of Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine... this occurred right after Vietnam collapsed and absolutely no nation would take the US' assurances seriously until Desert Storm.
Except most of the Chinese Navy, like their army, is in no shape to fight. Especially when they're dealing with purges and a CCP rivalry, as well as a military staffed with spoiled "Little Emperors" from the One-Child Policy Era; their military knows this, which is why they do not like it when Xi the Pooh Bear keeps telling them that they'll soon retake Taiwan. Also, the only reason America hasn't gotten involved is because of Russian nukes; if neither side had them, you can bet your ass every NATO country would be on their way to burn Moscow to the ground by now.
 
While I think two days since the beginning of the Russian offensive is too early to judge their overall performance, that they've supposedly had two IL-76s shot down is baffling. If there is truth to that I'd say rushing cargo planes into contested airspace is indeed an early sign that Russia's been making some really questionable tactical decisions here.
As is rushing ground troops in before they have achieved air superiority.
 
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