Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Blewberry Nausea]

Yes and yes

Ukraine doesn't have the shit left to be trying to strike ground targets that aren't particularly close to the line(s), they need everything they still have right up at the front(s) to try to slow or stop actual Russian attacks

I was thinking more partisan units but honestly what the fuck do I know about the actual disposition of forces or modern warfare lol current events happen and I start talking like I know what the fuck I am on about

 

[Wyald]

The more PRAY FOR THE UKRAINE crap I see on social media (The ghost of Kiev bs broke my brain) the more and more I want to see Russia win just purely out of spite.

Also fuck all chicken hawks both on the left and right who want to embroil the US in this. I'm not a fan of Putin but as others have pointed out in the thread there's no subtly in discussing him with neolibs and neocons beyond RUSSIAN MAN BAD.

Also if the battle for Kiev devolves into an urban siege and the Ukrainians really do intend to use teenagers to harass the invaders I can't wait for Twitter checkmarks to say how using child soldiers is totes ok when it comes to fighting off those evil Russians.

Umm... Excuse me sweatie but you can't hate on both the right and the left, you gotta pick one side or the other, chud.

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Out of curiosity, why “Z, O, and V”? Do they mean something in Russian?

Nah, just FF tag marking. Z isn't a Cyrillic letter but O and V have Cyrillic equivalents. No special meaning beyond "Don't shoot these ones"

 

[OG Swolemaster]

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CRP just released this video where he's sitting down for breakfast surrounded by journalists and he starts calling them system pigs. Never change Gonzolo, I don't care what anyone says about you, you're amazing.

>they're staying at a comfy 5 star hotel
So what's he doing there?

 

[XYZpdq]

I've always treated him as the mouthpiece of the rumor mill. He gets plenty of good info EARLY. Also tons of shit that's incorrect.

I'll be fair he does seem to keep things vague when it's "so maybe this is a thing but maybe not" compared to flat out saying "people in the state department are telling me (thing that is very concrete and real)"

 

[Richardface]

Out of curiosity, why “Z, O, and V”? Do they mean something in Russian?

Zapad-West Vostok - East not sure what O is

 

[Emperor Pupienus]

>WATCH: Video shows the moment a high-rise building in Kyiv is hit by a missile

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1497469082018455555

 

[Harvey sheckelburg]

Again, I want an actual link to his tweets to know that they're real and not just shooped. I was browsing Kinzinger's timeline earlier to look for this but didn't see it, although I did see lots of tweets where he was saying having a no fly zone and actually shooting at the Russian Air Force would be no big deal.

Politwoops

here. Its a site that automatically archives deleted politicians tweets. you can see he deleted it after 17 seconds.

 

[draggs]

Also interesting that the Russian's dont seem to be very concerned by the threat of Ukranian partisans, confirms my feeling that most people will just want to grill and the idea that the russians would see serious civilian resistance was a bit optimistic, at least east of Kiev

Partisans usually don't get organized until after the regular army is defeated, ex-soldiers have formed at least part of the founding core of most modern insurgencies. Civilians usually don't know how to fight against soldiers in any way but mix in some guys who know what they're doing and the newbies learn pretty fast

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

That missile just did not like that apartment building fucking hell.

 

[XYZpdq]

Holy shit you were right. This sinister Biological Threat Reduction Programme has facilities all over the world.

Looking Back at the Biological Threat Reduction Program Through the Decades - Global Biodefense

This year marks three decades of collaboration spearheaded by the Department of Defense Cooperative Threat Reduction Program with foreign partners to

globalbiodefense.com

I'm seeing Morocoo, Georgia, Cambodia, Thailand, South Korea, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt just in this one article. I guess we know where the Russians are going to land next to take out these obvious weapons plants.

"In Novosibirsk, Russia, the program enhanced laboratory security to the Vector institute."
Christ, this entire invasion has been an inside job from the start.

Spoiler

You're really fucking dumb. Not everything is a grand conspiracy.

iirc basically all Germ Warfare labs are clearly labeled "Germ Warfare Defense" on the neon sign out front, because you then "Defense" by making new Germ Warfare to Defense against and say you're acting on intelligence about the enemy's dastardly plans

 

[mr.moon1488]

lol If Ukraine's military was as relentless as its propaganda department, they might actually have a pretty good chance of winning.

https://twitter.com/james1roob/status/1497469441025658880

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

You are a moron if you believe uncited shit posted to twitter like this. Please people, don't just swallow up whatever propaganda suites your preconceived notions, regardless of what side you're on.

This.

Russia cannot possibly lose.

 

[Vindeo]

i was able to find a video of that apartment building getting shelled.

 

[3-2-1836]

Out of curiosity, why “Z, O, and V”? Do they mean something in Russian?

Latin characters that couldn't be confused with any type of Ukrainian markings, only thing known for sure is Z units are coming from Crimea and V units are coming from Belarus, don't know where O units are.

Russian IIF markings are odd, and made difficult by the fact the Ukrainians readopted standard Soviet invasion markings in 2014.

It's weird how both the Russians and Ukrainians settled on using white and florescent yellow armbands respectively for their soldiers even in full uniform. But it also makes sense as I know a guy who was in the Military in the 70s and 80s, and he told me that in those days you identified enemy soldiers based on their helmets and not their uniforms because in battle they all look alike.

Well kinda hard to do that these days when most helmets now have more or less the same shape.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Oh Fuck right off you fucking restaurant

Downtown Las Vegas pizza shop offering vodka shots with proceeds going to Ukraine relief efforts

LAS VEGAS (FOX5) -- A downtown Las Vegas pizza joint has announced it will be offering a unique way to donate towards humanitarian efforts in Ukraine.

www.fox5vegas.com

 

[ColtWalker1847]

It was so fucking bad it ended up in a Congressional fucking Commissioned and EVERYTHING was overhauled. From the amount of ammo you carried to radio frequencies to fucking tire tread.

It was such a cluster fuck that the fallout was felt for YEARS as the entire US military modernized based on that gigantic cluster fuck.

It cleared out the post-Vietnam deadwood that just got used to lax standards.

The modern left has gone completely retarded. These people will shit on the US for EVERYTHING, and they want to tear down every pillar the country was founded on, they will burn cities, and attack people but the second you say Putin has legitimate concerns, you are anti American and a traitor.

"Legitimate" according to who? UA doesn't qualify for NATO under NATO's own rules. Nobody in NATO was ever talking about changing those rules. The time to jump on some defense alliance was 2015-6 and nobody fucking did it.

This is about something else and everyone that doesn't have Putin's jizz on their chin knows it.

Eh, feels like the same thing to me in this particular scenario. War was basically decided on the first day. What does the government do? All civilians make moltovs and throw them at the Russians! Men can't go out of the country, you need to stay and fight. Here, have an AK, untrained citizen. Make sure one of you gets a selfie with the corpse so we can get foreign aid.
i mean, jesus, what the fuck are they thinking?

They are thinking "we have a warehouse full of obsolete weapons and people want to help so fuckit" they know that conventionally they can't win the war long-term but spreading around a shitload of old gear to increase the threat of an issue with irregulars later isn't the worst play.

 

[draggs]

lol If Ukraine's military was as relentless as its propaganda department, they might actually have a pretty good chance of winning.
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https://twitter.com/james1roob/status/1497469441025658880

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When were all these videos shot?

Like if this is all from yesterday and today then Ukraine isn't quite done yet, if they're still successfully calling up new troops. No reinforcements coming in is one of the bigger signs that a side in a war is going belly-up

 

[Richardface]

lol If Ukraine's military was as relentless as its propaganda department, they might actually have a pretty good chance of winning.
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https://twitter.com/james1roob/status/1497469441025658880

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Not sure the "our women are really sad because their men are going out to die" is really the vibe you want from your propaganda

 

[Toothpaste]

Now that I have been following the thread for a bit and been seeing the updates being shared. I am getting the same fog of war vibes that I ended up getting during the entire Israel and Palestine spat last spring. Essentially a bunch of conjecture and unreliable information that if anything is composed of nothing but half truths. There is no way that the Russians have had that heavy of casualties, especially considering that from what I understand they have been methodically picking of Ukranian air defences over the last 48 hours. Along with their targeting of any semblance of Ukraine having any form of air ordinance. Not to say the Russians haven't experienced losses, but from what I have seen in the streams, most of the casualties are related to the air strikes, and systematic ambushes of certain troop carriers.

The ghost of Kiev larp is quite a hilarious one I am going to say, because this type of story sounds like it was cooked up from old cracker Jack box clippings of the bad ass fighting ace.

Like I said a month ago, the invasion was swift and fast, and took a lot of people off of guard despite the building of troops around the Ukraine border over the last month now. The Russians are playing the slow game and at least they are looking to avoid civilian casualties. Not to say unfortunate people didn't get murdered in the cross fire related to the shellings, but if this was the zerg rush people are claiming it to be. Then we should have a hell of a lot more dead Ukrainians and less of this floaty data.

Not to say that there is going to be an easy end to this conflict and if anything it is going to be quite a battle for the time being. The Twitter and Reddit larpers need to stop the propagation of guerrilla asymmetric warfare that most of those posters have only observed in Hesbola propaganda reels. Quite obvious that none of these people have ever engaged in military combat, let alone even read a field manual. Which putting together makeshift bobbie traps is far more ineffective in respect to civilian collateral damage, than actually being able to kill the enemy. Any civilian should stay shelter and place and stay the fuck out of the heat. Considering that engaging in this type of combat requires a fair amount of training.

Then you also have the warhawks wanting to circle the wagons like this is our fucking problem. I don't give a shit if we send them aid, because at the end of the day people need to have supplies to live during a complete shut down of their society. I emphasize with the plight of the average Ukrainian, but it is far too late for the west to do anything more than virtue signal, and send supplies. Putin took his opportunity and seized the day, and at the end of the day that is their border. Not to say I advocate for the Russians actions, indeed is sinister and imperialist as America's ambitions in the sandbox. Though the sociological issues in that region have lead up to this over the last 8 years now. It was an inevitable action, and if anything the United States has no business in that part of the world. Beyond supplying support and helping in clean up efforts after all is said and done.

The Russians are economically in problems, but I feel that the sanctions are too little too late to deter this action. If anything this will reinforce the efforts, because they have no choice but to proceed with their efforts in Ukraine. I pray for minimal losses to the innocent people stuck in the crossfire.

It's clear that there is plenty of fog of war. Neither side is showing any video from the front for obvious reasons. Currently, the main combat is being waged in the East where there are no civilians to post any info online. We'll get a clearer image about what exactly happened there once this blows over.

When it comes to asymmetrical warfare, while I have massive respect for anyone capable of doing it, the fact is that in the age of drone bombs and accurate infrared cameras, it will be extremely difficult to hide and strike outside of urban areas. However, this is where the main ace of the Ukrainians lies. The Russians are absolutely terrified of capturing Kiev if there is any genuine resistance. They know that it will not only be a bloodbath on both sides, but they will have to indiscriminately destroy buildings on their way. This is a massive PR strike.

As long as the Ukrainian militia can keep together and form at least some kind of organized defence, Kiev will hold. As long as Kiev holds, Ukraine will hold.

If Kiev can somehow be supplied with weapons, ammo and food, they could last for months. The issue is that there are a massive amount of civilians there that the Ukrainians are essentially using as human shields. Russians can't bomb buildings and they can't cut off any vital utilities or food due to them. If they do and begin a siege, they will have a massive PR-hit. This is why the Russians have been so careful. It is also their greatest weakness.

While the situation of the Ukrainians might seem bad, I would not want to be the Russian commander either. You really only have two bad choices,

1. go in and suffer massive tactical losses and a chance for defeat, or
2. launch a siege that will last for weeks and cause massive international PR-Damage

The only reason why Americans were able to take cities in the Middle East so easily is due to the fact that the locals did not put up a real fight. Barry McCaffry predicted up to 3000 American casualties during the fall of Baghdad in 2003 if they actually have to fight for it.

Arming everyone and their uncle means that even if half of your guys desert, the other half could very well offer enough resistance to stall the attacker. It is still possible to make Russia reconsider their terms if they find the cost of taking Kiev too great.