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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I'm willing to concede that it's a generalization if you can point me to a para-military movement which didn't rely on mountains.
Northern Ireland, Op Banner/The Troubles. The Republicans achieved limited success in getting the Good Friday Agreement which has now led them to power sharing and could - eventually - see a united Ireland.

Fuck, just mountains? Hey, VIETNAM?

Many non-mountainous areas of IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN.

Dude, the idea that you can only do it in mountains is silly. Stop.
 
Northern Ireland, Op Banner/The Troubles. The Republicans achieved limited success in getting the Good Friday Agreement which has now led them to power sharing and could - eventually - see a united Ireland.

Fuck, just mountains? Hey, VIETNAM?

Many non-mountainous areas of IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN.

Dude, the idea that you can only do it in mountains is silly. Stop.
Vietnamese territory is mountainous. And densely forested.
Afghanistan is a mountainous territory.
Iraq is controlled opposition.
 
Vietnamese territory is mountainous. And densely forested.
Afghanistan is a mountainous territory.
Iraq is controlled opposition.
You didn't address Northern Ireland so I guess that's the example you'll have to concede on.

With that said, I would raise a lot of issues with this response but I cba. Anyway, human terrain far more important than geography when it comes to guerilla war.
 
You didn't address Northern Ireland so I guess that's the example you'll have to concede on.

With that said, I would raise a lot of issues with this response but I cba. Anyway, human terrain far more important than geography when it comes to guerilla war.
I concede, but there's also the fact that the West deals with its own insurgents differently. I guess it doesn't matter.
 
The Kurds who live in Northern Syria and Iraq are all in mountainous areas.
The Levant is mountainous.
You mean nigger countries? You've got to be more specific.
Congo, sudan, nigeria, ethiopia, Libya, etc. Literally any conflict on the african continent in the last 30 years is jungle terrain, flat plains, or city based warfare.

We can flip over to the Phillipines and the Tamil Tigers, jungle/ocean/river based.

How about FARC in Colombia? jungle. Yes there are mountains in colombia we going to split hairs on that?

If you are defining anything that is bigger than a Alabama Hill as mountainous than every conflict=mountainous.


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Lots of people saying "oh they're just sending in their old kit", but the reality is military procurement is a difficult business.

Russia maintains its vast stocks of outdated equipment because they cannot produce enough of their up-to-date stuff.

Hence despite having a stealth (ish) fighter bomber in the SU-57 Felon, good air to air and guided munitions they have to rely on 3rd & 4th gen aircraft and primarily dumb bombs.

They dont have enough to replicate the West's way of war, and from what we have seen they can't coordinate very well anyway even if they did. If the above is true and Russia can't take Kyiv soon... Well, it could get interesting.

Eh we still use decades old fighters, the F18 as our primary fighter jet. Our missiles are always up to date though.
 
Really adorable seeing MAGA faggots and the typical white trailerpark trash trying to suck off *based* Russia. The right in America has spent the last 20 years shitting on normal Americans who demand an average wage and imported dozens of illegal slaves from Mexico.

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How many Whites died for wars for you Jews? Millions?
 
Congo, sudan, nigeria, ethiopia, Libya, etc. Literally any conflict on the african continent in the last 30 years is jungle terrain, flat plains, or city based warfare.

We can flip over to the Phillipines and the Tamil Tigers, jungle/ocean/river based.

How about FARC in Colombia? jungle. Yes there are mountains in colombia we going to split hairs on that?

If you are defining anything that is bigger than a Alabama Hill as mountainous than every conflict=mountainous.


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Ethiopia is literally the most mountainous of all listed.
Look, all those countries are sort of inept (except Ethiopia, actually) with poor leadership and corrupt military officials and the problems have been caused by the West anyway, drawing borders for territories that include multiple ethnic groups. It's not exactly the same.
 
Eh we still use decades old fighters, the F18 as our primary fighter jet. Our missiles are always up to date though.
The Russian Jets are also horrible. Fighters like the Su-35 are a complete fail design since they are way too large and not agile enough for a modern fighter jet. The F16/F15/F18 have tons of successful missions on their back while you never hear anything about the Su-27. I would say the US Air Force is completly fine for now since all their enemies are still behind their jet technology of the 2000s.

Russians are in general very strong in the artillery and short range missile department and it seems like they are mainly using them in the war right now.
 
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