Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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Not openly but the US was pushing for it. Hence their actions in 2014 which led to Russains taking Crimea.
You are probably right to some degree, I do not know how much, but Russia responding with "You joining my enemies? Ok, I annex you." is not appropriate, in my opinion. There needs to be negotiations with the country. In this specific case, US were discussion with Russia if Ukrain can join NATO? What I am seeing is a missing party in this negotiation - Ukrain. Without it, it doesn't even matter what do these negotiations result with. AFAIK US couldn't even officially veto a country joining, if the country meets the alliance requirements. Of course, it might make it really hard to join since US is the biggest military force in NATO with great influence, but I doubt US is against more countries joining NATO.
How you run a country never really changes. Even when the people running it swear it has.
And that is why, I think, NATO has not disbanded. Everyone who has read a history book know that USSR is still there. Just under a different name.
I don’t realise the difference because the end goal is still the same. West expanding. The carrot and the stick are just two different methods of getting the same result
The alliance map might look the same as a result, but people lives and future prospects greatly change if the parties involved are for the statue quo. If Russia did not like the map, then they should have asked the countries joining not to join. I know Russia likes the facade of being the great oligarch, but at this point they are just begging US to resolve their past mistakes they refuse to even acknowledge. Ukrain exist, it's people exist, and they don't want USSR, or Russia. They didn't even want NATO and look where we are now. All I see are reason for other countries to join NATO against Russia.
If so, my bad.
I did write that I understand Russia responds like this to nearby countries joining NATO but I backed my statement that it was only Russias fault due to Russias past actions towards these countries, not due to some broken promises between Russia and the US. Honestly, I do not know what US has promised Russia regarding Ukrain. Not that it matters, since it's Ukrains decision, just like it was other post-soviet countries decision to join NATO.
From a country perspective, they have no choice. They’ve got guns pointed at them from all sides. They can either get crushed or fight desperately not to be. Or be like Germany and end up leading the group designed to stop them. And well, the latter was never going to happen.
I understand that Russia is threatened, but, in my opinion, it is well deserved. Russia has not proven that it has moved past forcing people to do what they want, so all post-soviet countries have no real choice other than joining NATO. I don't think even all post-soviet countries could fight Russia without a lot of help from other NATO countries.
Of course, Russia probably thinks that the territories previously occupied by USSR also belong to them, that is why it asked NATO to remove countries that joined it since 1992. So the plan was to rinse and repeat the strategy with Crimea on non-NATO countries, I guess.
 
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This mf needs to be publicly hung drawn and quartered when this is all over. Not only giving out weapons to civilians willy-nilly but knowing the Russians are targeting military and strategic targets ordering military vehicles to be parked in major city centres, I guess to maximise collateral damage when they get hit for international pity points.

Absolute scum.
Who says war is fair? Who says urban warfare is fair? Who says urban unconventional warfare is fair? It is all dirty as fuck. There is no such thing as a clean war.

I don't know where you got this idea that Ukraine needs to meet Russia on some sanitized dueling ground to bend over and take it in the ass or it isn't sporting, But it's retarded.
 
Twitter thread claiming intel from a Ukranian officer saying that Putin is mad because he thought it would be a quick and easy war and that the Russians are running out of weapons.

Any claims of Russia running out of military weaponry should be taken with a mound of salt because this is the former Soviet Union we're talking about. Those guys produced enough AKs and bullets to fight forever. But I have heard that Russia's used most of its short- and medium-range ballistic missile arsenal on Ukraine, which is a little more believable.
 
Russian propagandists say these are Ukrainian soldiers killing Ukrainian citizens for fleeing.

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They are certainly clad in Ukrainian uniforms. If they are Russian infiltrators, then the Russians must have captured a lot of Ukrainian POW to have so many Ukrainian uniforms to throw around.
 
Isn't this technically illegal?
Nigga, do I look like an international finance lawyer? I'm a pumpkin.

I just post tweets.
Sanctions aren't just passive-aggressive boycotts. They're legally enforced by the US Treasury. The Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) exists as a peacetime extension of the 1917 Trading With The Enemy Act. Anyone who violates them will get legally buttfucked.

Then again, (bit of a PL), I have done OFAC checks of names at my job, and the software my company uses will often get false positives, such as matching the name "Allen" with "Allah akbar".
 
Are you trying to say that they should've kicked their shit in two days? That's too degrading even for ukrainians.
The American concept of war is a turkey shoot where the enemy lacks the technological capability to meaningfully hit back. A meaningful operational setback caused by as successful enemy use of force is, for us, so unthinkable that if it ever happened, we'd probably quit the field right then and there.
 
Let's see. Russia has:

1. Made a veiled threat to down the ISS over China, India, US, or Europe
2. Lay down retaliation the likes of which "history has never seen before"
3. Vetoed the UN vote on retracting his forces
4. Invited Belarus, Kazakhstan, and the Chechens to fight
5. Shown he is completely willing to disobey any and all international sanctions, contraventions, and rules of war.

It could go nuclear. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for Russia to nuke a smaller nation that intervenes, but invoking the wrath of every NATO nation in total nuclear war would destroy the world. I think Russia controls a lot of oil that the world depends on and has every intention of using that against the West.

Putin is a strategist, to the best of my knowledge, not a reckless idiot. When it comes to nuclear war, you have to ask yourself: does the nation in question really want to vaporize the entire world? Because that's exactly what will happen. Russia is really good at being scary and making threats. I don't think it'll add up to anything. I'm not sure what he would do to show he isn't fucking around, but these threats alone are enough to make NATO think twice before intervening in any meaningful way.
propagate the idea that the USA should invade canada and find and pump out gas and petroleum from large useless northern territories, and sell it to europe to make it less dependant from russian gas?
 
I googled her to see if she was hot. She wasn't ugly (for a politician) but she looks like a completely ordinary eastern european woman with a jaw like Mussolini.
There was one picture that made it look like she had huge milkers but it's just a trick of the angle.
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compared to the absolute eyesores that are western women politicians, she is a supermodel
like, look at hillary, pelosi, merkel
 
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