Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[BiggerChungus]

My guess is that Russian troops are FAR more disiplined when it comes to taking pictures as compared to Ukrainian civilians (and for the most part, Ukrainian civvies wont be taking pictures in areas where Russian forces are attacking, enganging in combat and advancing). And on top of that, even if Ukrainians do post it its likely to not end up in Russian circles. Personally I believe the Ukrainians are suffering much heavier losses than Russians on the ground, maybe 2-3 times as many. BUT even if these 6 (7?) abandoned Russian convoys are all of the convoys that have been abandoned (and they likely are) it still doesn't bode well. Why are they being abandoned? If supply and artillery convoys are coming under attack from Ukrainian troops to the point that they have to be abandoned, that's very serious. Though at least they may be able to recapture them later. Is there a president for this on other conflicts? Anything similar in ww2, or in Iraq and Egypt among Isreali and American forces?

Could be a result of pushing too quickly. Even if Russia's inflicting signifcantly heavier losses, they're kinda blitzing through and that could leave their columns vulnerable to ambush. The video I saw of an abandoned column seemed to mostly be supply or construction trucks, so the kind of unit you'd see following an assault from the rear. Something similar happened when Italy launched campaigns in North Africa at the start of WW2, pushed extremely fast through mostly empty areas, then the British encircled them, destroyed their supplies, and captured their entire army. Highly doubt anything close to that will happen here, but still, I think Russian forces have pushed so hard and so fast that some Ukrainian units have just gotten out of the way to come back once they can hit the more vulnerable logistics companies.

 

[nonperson]

Update on the Ghost of Kiev. Reddit has successfully identified them.
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Cool it with the anti-semitism.

They forgot woman *of colour.

 

[Stoneheart]

I know, right? It seems like they would have done a better job designing the tank with all the obvious flaws that made it the premier tank since NINETEEN FUCKING EIGHTY FOUR!

After they had to ask germany for a real gun---

I mean, those 1970's weapon's designers should have totally looked at the designs by...

they designed the M-1 with a joke Gun and fucked up the design so badly that it can barely carry the gun they upgraded to 4 years after starting production...

Well, they still should have designed a better tank instead of the tank everyone rates their tanks against.

That would be the leopard 2. Superior in everyway and the Tank anybody who wants to spend its own money buys.

 

[burntwater]

I thought this was a good breakdown of the background of the war and why Russia wants Ukraine.

 

[Hackallier]

More of Kiev went dark

https://twitter.com/LordVesconte/status/1497672251289874434

 

[GuntPunt]

The Sino-Soviet Split occurs again. Although now it's the Sino-Russian Split.

History may not repeat itself exactly, but it does rhyme a lot.

https://twitter.com/QuarantinedCoof/status/1497570448489517062

>So Orban and Zemen did a 180 today. Kazakhstan refuses to lend troops. Turkey changed its mind in a day about blocking the Black sea. Brazil voted to condemn Russia. And China has kind of slowly walked out of the room. Oof.

https://twitter.com/QuarantinedCoof/status/1497649916532998144

>It's day 3, Kiev is 90 miles south of entry from the northern border. One of the worlds super powers doing a blitzkrieg should have taken that city by now. It's getting embarrassing.

I don't think Jim really "gets it". Putin is handling the "brother nation" of Ukraine with kid gloves. If at any moment he feels it necessary, he'll just Grozny the place up.

If Putin can't have Kiev, he'll simply destroy it and make it anew.

Jim is a shitposter, not an expert on international relations. He makes decent content, but to expect him to do anything besides latch on to a negative story to a very complex situation under constant false information propoganda with a witty one off Tweet shitpost or two is ridiculous.

 

[LUNEKO]

From Russian Telegram so mound of salt

Kiev sketches of the night of February 26, 2022
The armed forces of the Ukrainian "resistance" continue to fight with unknown people in Kyiv.
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They shot the car of civilians, and before that, the national police staged a fight with the "resistance". They were mistaken for "Russian saboteurs".

On the eve of the Ukrainian "resistance" shot at a column of their own soldiers and killed a family of five people.

All of them were recognized as "saboteurs", but later the national police and deputies recognized the "mistake".

What's happening right now in Ukraine doesn't convince of not arming your population, but rather convinces me that arming the population only at the very end when you desperately need to is a bad idea, better to give em right to bear arms and motivate them to train so they can properly defend themselves when push comes to shove.
Otherwise you end up with your own troops scoring more self goals for the enemy than any actual goals

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Are molotovs useful against modern tanks?

Lol no, here in Ireland we throw molotovs, (we call them petrol bombs) at our police anytime we get bored, it doesn't do much to armored police jeeps.

Also, our greatest weapons are our songs.

 

[BiggerChungus]

From Russian Telegram so mound of salt

Kiev sketches of the night of February 26, 2022
The armed forces of the Ukrainian "resistance" continue to fight with unknown people in Kyiv.
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They shot the car of civilians, and before that, the national police staged a fight with the "resistance". They were mistaken for "Russian saboteurs".

On the eve of the Ukrainian "resistance" shot at a column of their own soldiers and killed a family of five people.

All of them were recognized as "saboteurs", but later the national police and deputies recognized the "mistake".

Sounds like Ukraine's got a mini-rebellion going on. Media's saying that Ukrainian troops are fighting Russian regulars in Kiev and holding, but so far I've not seen anything suggesting the main Russian army's gotten there. Seems like they're fighting a mix of saboteurs, if they're real, and their own people.

 

[ForTheHoard]

They don't really need to make molotovs if they can hold out another 3-4 days they're gonna have javelins and other western anti tank rockets falling out their assholes they're gonna have so many

Sure, but a Javelin isn't an AT-4. Most anti tank rockets have 2-4 safeties, a cocking device, and a trigger. Everything is labeled so an untrained person could figure it out pretty quick and hit anything within 50-100 meters. While I don't have hands on experience with them, Javelins are complicated and require significant training to effectively use. The targeting computer can be removed after firing and continue be used as a sort of battlefield tablet that allows you to continue using the advanced targeting optics. I seriously doubt they would be effective in the hands of a militia compared to a less sophisticated rocket system.

Most of the cost of a javelin is that computer, so handing them out as fire and forget options is a massive waste of money. You could buy about 53 AT-4s for the cost of 1 javelin.

 

[Meat Target]

I'll just leave this here from our retards from Twitter

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Nice booba, Whore of Babylon banner. Leave the talking and fighting to the men.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Update on the Ghost of Kiev. Reddit has successfully identified them.
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Cool it with the anti-semitism.

The level of copium is fucking high.
I'm waiting how they're gonna lost oxygen after that.

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

It would be more on the nose only if they mentioned that they were also handicapped orphans.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

getting 50% off Nord VPN is starting to look like a tempting offer.

Any shitposter worth their salt did it way back in 2012, when the whole Roskompozor registry thing started.

 

[BiggerChungus]

Nice booba, Whore of Babylon banner. Leave the talking and fighting to the men.

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I hope she's not actually a mother but I know she probably is and that's upsetting.

 

[A Logging Company]

i cant wait until redditors make it to ukraine and somehow link up with Azov, the reaction when they see the black sun and other fascist symbols will be hilarious

i cant wait until redditors make it to ukraine and somehow link up with Azov, the reaction when they see the black sun and other fascist symbols will be hilarious

I tried explaining to a co-worker years ago Neo-Nazi groups were involved in the Euromaiden and he kept going "nuh uh, no they werent!"

 

[Oxous]

I think Russia might need to take a look at their tank driving schools.

 

[Hackallier]

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It would be more on the nose only if they mentioned that they were also handicapped orphans.

Are we going to get a "Bombed the last hospital of Kiev" x30 saga again like with Aleppo?

 

[3-2-1836]

You did see the part where it says:

Населення	≥ 30 осіб[1] (2012)

There have to be over 30 people, including civilians, maintaining 58 different articles of state-owned properties on the island,
There were 80 in 2007, but there is no guarantee that there are 80 people, including civilians, today.

And the source for that claim: http://oblrada.odessa.gov.ua/dokume...ady-vi-sklykannya-vid-09-lystopada-2012-roku/

I'll even upload and translate the documents for you.

Please spend more than 2 seconds making up your mind if you intend to "debunk" something. You'll just spread misinformation and lies.

So you're telling me that Ukraine would garrison 80 people on the island to defend it against Romania in the 2000s but because the Garrison dropped to ~30 in 2012 during peacetime after they won the dispute over the Island, but before Donbass '14 that they wouldn't restore the Island's garrison back to full strength considering the fact it's the only piece of land between Crimea and Odessa?

In fact here's a Zelensky visited the Island just 6 months ago to review military drills testing the Island's defenses.

Глава держави відвідав острів Зміїний і перевірив готовність військових до його оборони

Під час робочої поїздки до Миколаївської та Одеської областей Президент України Володимир Зеленський відвідав острів Зміїний у Чорному м

lozova-rda.kh.gov.ua

During the exercise, Marines and special forces, backed by aircraft and surface forces, worked to strengthen the protection and defense of Snake Island.

The Ukrainian military successfully resisted the conventional enemy's naval landings, destroyed enemy ships and repulsed potential attempts by the aggressor to capture the Ukrainian island.

Also here's an article from August talking about them installing underwater NATO listening posts around the Island

https://gur.gov.ua/content/nachalnyk-hur-mo-ukrainy-pereviryv-hotovnist-syl-ta-zasobiv-rozvidky-na-ostrovi-zmiinyi.html

 

[Breadbassket]

Since it seems relevant and its currently 10:45 PM in Ukraine. I want to ask everyone who do you think will hold Kiev in the morning, Ukraine or Russia?