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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Also if this one's true then Putin's problems might be only just beginning. Historically having your soldiers riot and mutiny is a pretty bad fucking sign, even when you've not just got yourselves into a war.

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>Ukrainian defenders putting up a much greater resistance than planned for, making Russia's military look much weaker than previously thought
>Russian supply lines are reportedly ineffective
>Russian economy essentially given a death sentence
>Riots reported within military ranks

Call me crazy, but it's looking like Putin did a major fuckup here.
 
If they're kicked out of SWIFT wholesale Europe will need to trade with them through some other system since nothing I've seen suggests they're going to stop buying gas, aluminum etc from RU.


I think the hints at targeted swift restrictions are probably meaning that they'll carve out exceptions for all the stuff Europe wants to buy.
That was a thought I just had and came to post about. Okay, they kick Russia out of SWIFT. All they need to do is turn the valve because they can no longer accept payments for gas. I understand about wanting to exert pressure; but you need to make sure you're not gonna be hurting yourself too much, and I wonder if they thought of the reaction before applying this. This whole situation is gonna get fucked up before it gets better.
 
Also if this one's true then Putin's problems might be only just beginning. Historically having your soldiers riot and mutiny is a pretty bad fucking sign, even when you've not just got yourselves into a war.

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There is so much propaganda flying around, nearly impossible to tell what's true.
What seems to have some merit, Russia may have overextended their logistics in a rush to take key targets and expected most of Ukrainian population with some of the military to flee right away but instead they have a more determined population to deal with than expected.
Also Russia seems not willing to commit their more advanced gear/vehicles and far more soldiers.

Its going to take months at least to sort out the propaganda and what actually happened.
 
That was a thought I just had and came to post about. Okay, they kick Russia out of SWIFT. All they need to do is turn the valve because they can no longer accept payments for gas. I understand about wanting to exert pressure; but you need to make sure you're not gonna be hurting yourself too much, and I wonder if they thought of the reaction before applying this. This whole situation is gonna get fucked up before it gets better.
Nuclear energy can always be a good replacement if Europe is backed to a wall. Sure, you have your environmentalists and your politically-correct types, but if Russian oil is not available, and the energy crisis rises high enough, they'll eventually cave in.

There is so much propaganda flying around, nearly impossible to tell what's true.
What seems to have some merit, Russia may have overextended their logistics in a rush to take key targets and expected most of Ukrainian population with some of the military to flee right away but instead they have a more determined population to deal with than expected.
Also Russia seems not willing to commit their more advanced gear/vehicles and far more soldiers.

Its going to take months at least to sort out the propaganda and what actually happened.
That, or they don't have as much of their more advanced gear as previously thought. With guys like Putin in charge, they're more than likely to embellish their hardware figures to scare the west into complying.

>Ukrainian defenders putting up a much greater resistance than planned for, making Russia's military look much weaker than previously thought
>Russian supply lines are reportedly ineffective
>Russian economy essentially given a death sentence
>Riots reported within military ranks
Call me crazy, but it's looking like Putin did a major fuckup here.
It's like WW1 all over again for Russia. They never learned.
 
Nuclear energy can always be a good replacement if Europe is backed to a wall. Sure, you have your environmentalists and your politically-correct types, but if Russian oil is not available, and the energy crisis rises high enough, they'll eventually cave in.
And that's the question I have; how suicidal is Europe willing to be to stick it to Putin. From what I understand, France has a number of Nuclear Plants and can probably generate enough energy (if it can be routed safely); but many other nations have done away with it to try and appease the green lie. If France can't carry the burden until everyone else gets their own sources up and running, there's gonna be a lot of problems... and we'll have to see if the brainwashed populace can get out of the hypnosis long enough to say they're sick of brown-outs and freezing.
 
That, or they don't have as much of their more advanced gear as previously thought. With guys like Putin in charge, they're more than likely to embellish their hardware figures to scare the west into complying.
Lets not pretend that Russia is the only country that inflates or outright lies about their military reserves and capabilities, literally everyone does it because the actual numbers are vital intelligence.
 
It is amazing to see how far and fast Putin has gone off the deep end. He seemed pretty stable. Guess Vlad can't stand seeing his troops not just waltzing into the Ukraine. Apparently haven't even taken Kyiv. And would suggest he hasn't that much in the way of combat-ready reinforcments to send. As previously stated, doctrine has been to use divisions continually for 3-4 days, then be relieved and pull back. Putin may only have enough reinforcements immediately available to do one rotation. Then he would have to replace worn-out units with less worn-out units. Not a winning equation, in Uncle Joe's book. Very much question of Putin has any combat-ready divisions of reservists. Would take weeks/months to get reservists ready for combat.

Usually, soldiers riot after several years of see-saw warfare with no end in sight. For them to start rioting within days of the war's beginning is a really bad sign for Putin and the Russian leadership. It means that their morale has already sunk below acceptable levels before the first week of the war ended.
That’s what seems so strange in all of this. Historically Putin is or has been a shrewd, if evil, operator. You could generally see him planning his moves out well in advance . There would be a clear purpose to them. Even when barbaric. Even in Syria you could understand his goals and motivations. What he wanted out of it, and how he had arranged things to insure his goals reasonably well.

But this does not look or feel like old school Vlad. There are too many bad assumptions. Too many wildcards and bad bets. His own people don’t seem to know what the actual goal is here? His soldiers on the ground seem confused on that point. When was the last time we saw Putin overtly threatening to nuke everyone around him? Finland? Sweden? That reads more like a Drunken tirade from Khrushchev or Boris Yeltsin. What happens when the uncontested leader of a nuclear superpower suffers from dementia? And no for once I’m not talking about Creepy Grandpa Badfinger. What exactly is going on in Russia?
 
And that's the question I have; how suicidal is Europe willing to be to stick it to Putin. From what I understand, France has a number of Nuclear Plants and can probably generate enough energy (if it can be routed safely); but many other nations have done away with it to try and appease the green lie. If France can't carry the burden until everyone else gets their own sources up and running, there's gonna be a lot of problems... and we'll have to see if the brainwashed populace can get out of the hypnosis long enough to say they're sick of brown-outs and freezing.
Woke bullshit has a limit to it. When the comforts of 20th-century living start to disappear, that's when they roll it back.

Lets not pretend that Russia is the only country that inflates or outright lies about their military reserves and capabilities, literally everyone does it because the actual numbers are vital intelligence.
Yes, but Russia is likely to do it just to keep the west scared. Especially when their economy was already a mess (LOL money printer go BRRRR and oil) before the west started slapping their asses with sanction after sanction.

New Tsar didn't learn from the previous Tsar.
He obviously didn't. At least the past Tsar had the support of the Slavic world, Putin doesn't even have that. His fellow Slavs are deflowering his army.

That’s what seems so strange in all of this. Historically Putin is or has been a shrewd, if evil, operator. You could generally see him planning his moves out well in advance . There would be a clear purpose to them. Even when barbaric. Even in Syria you could understand his goals and motivations. What he wanted out of it, and how he had arranged things to insure his goals reasonably well.

But this does not look or feel like old school Vlad. There are too many bad assumptions. Too many wildcards and bad bets. His own people don’t seem to know what the actual goal is here? His soldiers on the ground seem confused on that point. When was the last time we saw Putin overtly threatening to nuke everyone around him? Finland? Sweden? That reads more like a Drunken tirade from Khrushchev or Boris Yeltsin. What happens when the uncontested leader of a nuclear superpower suffers from dementia? And no for once I’m not talking about Creepy Grandpa Badfinger. What exactly is going on in Russia?
Putin probably thought that this war would be his crowning achievement, his stroke of genius, a final vindication of his ideology and the weakness of the West. He'd roll in, Ukraine would surrender, Biden would shit his pants, and that would show the world once and for all that Russia is once again the superpower that it once was during the USSR days. It seems like he bought into his own hype, and there was no longer anyone left in his inner circle to reign in his tard-wrangling and remind him that he's only human, and that his empire has all sorts of weaknesses that he hasn't addressed.
 
These idiots are trying to get civilians killed. They probably don't see any difference between this and the USA's Burn Loot Murder "Peaceful Protests." ... or they're going Full Ghoul and want a boost in their ratings.

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If you have even a scintilla of appreciation for freedom and democracy, it’s impossible to watch Ukrainians’ bold defense of their country from the dyspeptic Goliath next door and not feel inspired. President Biden deserves immense credit for rallying the free world to Ukraine’s cause and imposing massive sanctions on Vladimir Putin, but Ukrainians are the ones who are fighting, bleeding, and dying.
It’s tempting to compare them to the 300 legendary Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae, standing in the gap for liberal democracy, self-determination, and a saner, more just world free of autocrats and wannabe tyrants. Indeed, Ukraine’s democratically elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, is essentially conducting a real-life reenactment of Air Force One, refusing to abandon his country and its citizens during the conflict—most recently refusing an offer from the U.S. to get out of Dodge
“The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,” he told the Americans, according to the U.S. embassy. Whether that’s a carefully scripted line meant to boost the morale of his people is unimportant. He’s staying in Kyiv and, live or die, he’ll go down as a legend.
Meanwhile, we live in a country where senators flee to Cancun during natural disasters—leaving their constituents to fend for themselves—because it’s cold.
All indications are that things are not going nearly as well for Li’l Vlad as he’d hoped. Ukrainians are putting up stiff resistance seemingly everywhere, Zelensky remains defiant, and Putin lost the battle for hearts and minds right out of the gate. The world, with few exceptions, stands behind Ukraine. (Sadly, some of those “exceptions” live right herein the good ol’ USA.)
Democracy will not go down in Ukraine without a fight—because it’s worth preserving, even to the death. That’s a sentiment that used to be woven into our DNA, not simply commandeered for use in puny political bromides.
If you haven’t despaired for the future of our democracy at any time in the past six years, you either haven’t been paying attention or aren’t that into democracy. And if you haven’t felt helpless about the dark, autocratic undercurrents threatening the foundations of our republic, you’re either not human or you’re Josh Hawley.
It’s immensely frustrating to see a dictator’s sidekick who has no respect for democracy at home or around the world receive the admiration and votes of tens of millions of your fellow citizens. And it’s maddening to see so many power-mad ass-kissers—including just about every member of the GOP not named Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger—essentially throw in with Putin’s years-long plot to undermine the U.S. from within by elevating a venal buffoon with no sense of history, understanding of our traditions, or respect for democratic norms. But, for now at least, we get to sit at home, safe and warm, while we stew.
Watching Ukraine give the middle finger to Putin while facing impossible odds and imminent death should shame us all to some degree. But we can’t sit on that feeling. We need to get off our asses and rally to the flag. And if not the flag, the Constitution.
Putin tried to make the U.S. more like Russia—and more amenable to Russia’s vile overtures—by saddling us with a Manchurian cancer who couldn’t even summon the decency to concede the election he lost. And when Putin’s sleeper agent was bounced from the White House, the butcher of Moscow figured the time was ripe for an escalation of his war against the West. (Anyone thinking Trump had deterred Putin with his “toughness” needs to stop and ask themselves why Putin would have ever endangered his plans by embarrassing the guy who was undermining our allies and promising to withdraw from NATO—a move that would have left all of Europe vulnerable to Russian aggression, now and well into the future.)
But while Putin no doubt thought his brutal little adventure would be a cakewalk, Ukrainians had other plans.
When I think about what President Zelensky is doing—standing firm against this invasion when he could be sitting in Brussels eating pastries and patting himself on the back for trying his best—I literally get the chills. If Republicans want a foreign leader to fetishize, they need look no further than this unlikely hero—an ex-TV personality who, unlike our own reality-show president, has grown into his role and then some.
He’s telling Putin to fuck himself, and in the process, he’s putting his life on the line for his people—and for the promise of democracy not just in Ukraine, but everywhere around the globe.
The sour winds of autocracy still swirl in Europe, and they’ve now found their way here. Donald Trump is a clear and present danger to the post-World War II global order, to our freedoms, to our way of life, and to democracy itself. His Jan. 6 bumblefuck putsch should have been the last straw, but it was just another nail in a coffin he somehow keeps busting out of. Will his effusive praise of a James Bond supervillain finally wake the MAGA mites up? Probably not. Which means the fight comes to us now.
Are we brave enough? Are we worthy enough? Is our 246-year-old democracy as important to us as Ukraine’s fledgling democracy is to them? It better be, because if the U.S. falls, autocrats will be only too happy to fill that power vacuum.
So we continue to fight—even when the fight looks lost.
No surrender. Not now. Not ever.
That fighting spirit—that yearning for a free society that respects the inalienable rights of every one of its citizens—lives in all of us. But it’s now shining brightest in the unlikeliest of places—a former Soviet republic led by an ex-comedian.
If we ever feel defeated in our own struggle to keep our country from flying off the rails, we need look no further than the heroes of Kyiv.
Still think our own situation is hopeless? Fuck that. It’s only hopeless if we lose hope. And that, good patriots, is something we can never—and willnever—do.
 
Historically having your soldiers riot and mutiny is a pretty bad fucking sign, even when you've not just got yourselves into a war.

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If this is true and not just propaganda, they have much more of a spine than US and Canada who just follow orders regardless.

These idiots are trying to get civilians killed. They probably don't see any difference between this and the USA's Burn Loot Murder "Peaceful Protests." ... or they're going Full Ghoul and want a boost in their ratings.

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Jesus fuck, these people think we live in a video game or movie. Sure, that might work if you want to martyr yourself to inconvenience a tank crew.
 
That was a thought I just had and came to post about. Okay, they kick Russia out of SWIFT. All they need to do is turn the valve because they can no longer accept payments for gas. I understand about wanting to exert pressure; but you need to make sure you're not gonna be hurting yourself too much, and I wonder if they thought of the reaction before applying this. This whole situation is gonna get fucked up before it gets better.
They may be counting on his ousting sooner than later, and will happily do business with the next guy. This, in theory, has been sped up considerably in the past few days. And Russians do love a regime change.
 
As this drags on and burns through political capital, I wonder if Putin is going to get to a point where he has to start asking instead of telling internally.
Russia is now at the point where they cannot back out because failure at this point will only incur more costs with none of the spoils of victory, taking them off SWIFT puts them in a do-or-die situation on top of already sunk-costs, Russia is screwed no matter what it does so they may as well keep pushing and slice off a nice piece of real estate for their trouble. After all, they only stand to continue losing if they back down now, it would be their Matt Jarbo Boulder moment.
 
This retard will end up stranded in the Ukraine, and UK people will be spammed about it in the news for weeks - calling it now. Last time he made it out of Afghanistan, his face was all over the news going all "it's awwwright, it all turned out okay in the end!" like your retarded younger brother who walks off an injury after doing stupid shit for the vine.

However he is probably right regarding safety, Birmingham and London are famous examples of areas that have become considerably less safe as a result of cultural enrichment...
 
People always over estimate how war works, it's like when people ask why Hitler invaded Russia in the winter, and the answer is he didn't he invaded in the Summer in late June and was still advancing when winter came. War is a slow and painful grind.

Edit: It also took Hitler six weeks to capture Paris in the Blitzkreig which was an incredibly brutal and fast attack.

If that's the case, wouldn't the Russians decide to close shop completely and sell exclusively to China, India, and all their allies instead?
Russia has to essentially wait for other nations to force them to stop trading essential resources or they risk the King Cotton issue. Back in the Civil War the South was the number one supplier of cotton to the world pretty much and thought if they stopped trading cotton to Europe (England more specifically) it would force those countries to support the South to regain access to cotton. Turns out it just pissed everyone off and those countries found new ways of getting cotton, had the South waited for the North to blockade and restrict the export of cotton, the other countries would be more likely to support the South. Instead the South not only made it so the North didn't have to make the difficult decision of blocking trade to important resources, but they pissed off possible allies that might help them.
 
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