Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Bananadana said:
I like how there was absolutely no consultation of anything like "Do we even have public support get involved this ?" anywhere.
Me thinks NATO is/was already a lot more involved than everybody (including Putin) is thinking.
Like they are already planning to prevent the fall of Kiev or some nutty deepstate objective.

Not that they would really need to wait for public support anyways, considering that Twitter has decided that Russia are the bad guys,
and the NPCs just got turned into BattleBots calling for the blood of the bolshevist-nazi-slytherin Army of Vladimir "The Impaler" Putin.
Like this is the same place that made all the "Russian bots" and they want to "shut down" that crap.
All within less than a week.
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I think Western governments have evolved in 20 years to where they don't even care about public support on anything anymore. They'll act first and then create the 200 man paid for polls later. Hell they won't even hear a dissenting opinion without harshly crushing it let alone consider it.
 
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Getting tard comed said:
China and Russia signed an agreement to create an alternative a month and a half ago. If China ever finds a way to feed their people without importing food from the US, idk if they care how much they are tied to the dollar.

I don't know how much it matters that China owns so much of the US debt in real terms. I know banksters and therefore most people like to think of these things in trade and dollar terms but at a certain point I don't think those things matter that much and nations are ready and willing to cut losses if material needs are met.
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China is tied to the dollar due to their massive exports to the United States and the rest of the world. The US/China economic relationship is like a co-dependent alcoholic relationship.
They hate each other. But they need each other. The only way for them not to care about the dollar would be if exports were a far less important part of their economy and economic
growth than they are today.

The other thing is that many Chinese, especially rich ones, don't have much faith in the future of China. Dollars give them a way out if everything eventually falls apart.

The Chinese have to own that US debt for the entire co-dependent relationship between the US and China to work. They can't dump the debt or destroy the value of the dollar
because it would kill their own export-based economy.

The Chinese have refused to cooperate with the US on currency valuations since the Asian financial crisis 20+ years ago. They got the impression from the crisis that the Americans
would always fuck them over to benefit themselves in terms any deals on economic cooperation. The Americans have been angry with them ever since because the Chinese refuse
to change the valuation of their currency to create economic effects in the US. The Chinese always value their currency to sell maximum exports to the US which is in their best
interests.

Its a stupid system. Its inherently unstable. But what else is new?
 
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No Batty Boys in Jamaica said:
I also don't think Putin wants to hold onto most of Ukraine. Bombing infrastructure in those parts would lengthen the time that sanctions are in effect. If he does it right, non-aligned countries will be telling NATO and allies "seriously guys, move on, lift the sanctions" before this Christmas.
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As much as I want to be the :optimistic: here, I'm having a harder and harder time thinking he's only going for eastern and some parts of central Ukraine. He's going for broke here, and for what it's worth, the invasion plans that the US got (and so far proved accurate) has them pushing into western Ukraine after securing Kyiv and pushing across the Dnieper from the south.
 
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No Batty Boys in Jamaica said:
US bombing water, power, and sewer infrastructure before moving in on Iraq set an extremely bad first impression for the occupation. It prevented people from getting back to their old jobs and slowed down the rebuilding process. This made many people indifferent to the insurgents and pushed some to join.

The Russians want everyday life to get back to normal as fast as possible. They don't want life to change for everyday Ukrainians, just people like Zelensky. I also don't think Putin wants to hold onto most of Ukraine. Bombing infrastructure in those parts would lengthen the time that sanctions are in effect. If he does it right, non-aligned countries will be telling NATO and allies "seriously guys, move on, lift the sanctions" before this Christmas.
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No, we won the hearts and minds of the people by sending in troops to restore the utilities we blew up.
 
Russians releasing elite paratroopers over Kiev. Panic grips the city.

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76LD910 said:
The debt China owns means nothing, it's less than Japan individually or a couple wealthy western nations like France and Germany. And the US can always just cut them off if necessary.

China absolutely cares about how much they're tied to the dollar since without it they wouldn't be remotely as wealthy as they are now and if they drop it any time soon they'll give up on any chance of maching much less surpassing the US.

And they're nowhere close to meeting thier material needs without imports.
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The fed owns most of our debt so its a moot point. The fed could cancel trillions with the stroke of a pen it would just mean a shitload of things like social security stop immediately
 
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polyqueerandrosensual said:
Just went on Shitter and saw #AfricansInUkraine is trending...

Holy fuck, WHY MUST NIGGERS ALWAYS CENTER EVERYTHING AROUND THEMSELVES??? :mad:

There's barely any nogs in Ukraine, the few there are mostly Niggerians studying at uni... just go the fuck back to Niggeria. Nobody wants you there. Holy fuck.

Modern nogs really do cause their own problems.
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I'm sure all three of them are thrilled to have a hashtag.
 
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Smity Werbenjagermanjensen said:
As much as I want to be the :optimistic: here, I'm having a harder and harder time thinking he's only going for eastern and some parts of central Ukraine. He's going for broke here, and for what it's worth, the invasion plans that the US got (and so far proved accurate) has them pushing into western Ukraine after securing Kyiv and pushing across the Dnieper from the south.
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He wants to replace the government that was put in place when they had their EU-backed insurrection.
Breadbassket said:
Source of the Ukrainian Reaper photo:

From a tweet about the soldier that is definitely real
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Unedited photo with no black bar over the eyes from February 19, 2022 before the war started (Source is a CNBC article about stocks of all things)
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I almost made a joke about the Grim Reaper of Kyiv, and here reality went and made it for me.
 
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