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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Last time I checked Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in the region, with a barely developing representative government. Why are we now deifying it?
"Last time I checked George Floyd was a Drugged up Woman Beater, Why are we now deifying him"

Funny how the left works huh.
 
A declining power feels threatened when its enemies enlarge and encroach on its sphere of influence. All reasons for war become pretexts to engage in combat, to show the world what it can still do. This doesn't seem to me at al weird or out of place.
The last Russian (Soviet) Leader to start acting this way was quickly escorted out into the woods and shot in the head.
 
Well, you know, if Putin didn't want Ukrainians to mock the surviving family members of his casualties, maybe he shouldn't have sent them across the border.
EDIT: https://twitter.com/MarketRebels/status/1497675529490767881
Hard to say if its true or not, but if it is, things are getting bad if oligarchs are dying, either of their own free will or forcibly assisted.
this is gonna be one of those "oh he killed himself by shooting himself 3 times in the back of the head with a gun that doesnt even match the bullets found but no media is gonna cover it" situations isnt it?
 
Last time I checked Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in the region, with a barely developing representative government. Why are we now deifying it?
The same could be said with every other corrupt nation the US supported in the Cold War since they took a strong stance against communism. Heck, even the KMT of Republic of China were as corrupt and authoritarian.
 
The same could be said with every other corrupt nation the US supported in the Cold War since they took a strong stance against communism. Heck, even the KMT of Republic of China were as corrupt and authoritarian.
Oh, come on, it's not comparable. The Chinese created a developed country, none of the others did. Why are Chinese good at creating a prosperous community everywhere outside of their own heartland, but not in it???
 
Dear dipshits: Spartans were militaristic tyrants who would make your bleeding-heart faggot asses cry. Not "standing in the gap for liberal democracy".
But they did love little boy ass, son I can understand the why they feel a bond.
Oh, come on, it's not comparable. The Chinese created a developed country, none of the others did. Why are Chinese good at creating a prosperous community everywhere outside of their own heartland, but not in it???
In a word, scale. China is massive, the bigger the population the more shit that needs manged the more shit that needs manged the more bureaucrat, the more bureaucrat the more corruption.
 
The restraint by the Russian forces is the most surprising to me, I'd figured they would have at least attempted a carpet bombing of some urban centers. Cities like Poltava should have been wiped out.

But they did love little boy ass, son I can understand the why they feel a bond.
That's actually not true - pederastry was not a Spartan practice, they scorned it and hated the Athenians for doing it.
 
What is Ukraine's overall defensive strategy even in this war, aren't they blacked out yet by electronic warfare and cyber warfare from Russia?
 
Wow, that's an incredibly unsympathetic thing to do. This went from "Russia is making an unprovoked attack on poor, innocent Ukrainians" to "Haha! You're dad is dead!"

Maybe the Ukrainians deserve to be invaded. I dunno, that's a pretty cunt thing to do. What's next, are they gonna paint lipstick on the corpse & shove a pink unicorn dildo up its ass & send pictures of it to his kids?
If you think most men would be above doing something like that if they've lost homes and loved ones to the enemy and there's a deep-seeded hatred for an invading force, then you're pretty naïve and living in a comfy bubble of "muh civilized behavior" that's only really become the norm in society VERY recently in some parts of the world, mainly in the West.
 
Earlier in the thread people were talking about how Putin seems to have shifted from the cold calculating machine we knew from the previous two decades into a full on unhinged lunatic

This is just twitter gossip so take it with a MASSIVE grain of salt but people have been speculating that he might have some kind of neurological disease that is affecting his decision making. I've heard Brain Cancer, Parkinson's, Long Covid, and Dementia among a plethora of others. Either he wants to go down in history as a hero of Russia before he passes or the cancer-aids has straight up made him a schizophrenic madman

While I think this is an interesting theory, I don't personally buy it. I feel like at the very least something like this would have been leaked ages ago.

I think what's more accurate is that we're in a Mussolini like situation where Putin is surrounded by yes men who kiss his ass and tell him what he wants to hear 24/7. This has undoubtedly thrust him further into his delusions and is causing him to make batshit stupid decisions on the international stage. Let's just hope Ukraine can bloody Russia's nose similar to what Greece did to Italy in WW2
 
Earlier in the thread people were talking about how Putin seems to have shifted from the cold calculating machine we knew from the previous two decades into a full on unhinged lunatic

This is just twitter gossip so take it with a MASSIVE grain of salt but people have been speculating that he might have some kind of neurological disease that is affecting his decision making. I've heard Brain Cancer, Parkinson's, Long Covid, and Dementia among a plethora of others. Either he wants to go down in history as a hero of Russia before he passes or the cancer-aids has straight up made him a schizophrenic madman

While I think this is an interesting theory, I don't personally buy it. I feel like at the very least something like this would have been leaked ages ago.

I think what's more accurate is that we're in a Mussolini like situation where Putin is surrounded by yes men who kiss his ass and tell him what he wants to hear 24/7. This has undoubtedly thrust him further into his delusions and is causing him to make batshit stupid decisions on the international stage. Let's just hope Ukraine can bloody Russia's nose similar to what Greece did to Italy in WW2
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So when does Elon Musk get Neuralink up and running to transfer his consciousness into a super computer?
 
Earlier in the thread people were talking about how Putin seems to have shifted from the cold calculating machine we knew from the previous two decades into a full on unhinged lunatic
Every historian will tell you not psychologize people when trying to explain why they behave the way they did, because it's only baseless speculation that doesn't help you understand what happens.
Most people behave logically, but according to the information they have. If you don't have the same kind of information they have, you will think they are irrational. You also need to understand their perspective.

I'm of the opinion that what happened in Belarus in 2020 really disturbed Putin, and that he felt that he was slowly being encircled, the West trying to remove his allies one by one. He wanted more guarantees from Ukraine that it wouldn't become an enemy in the future, so he mobilized those troops to put pressure them. War was always a possibility, but he most likely wanted to use the invasion as a last resort, knowing he would suffer the consequences of such a violation of International Law. He knew western intelligence was watching him, so he tried to keep the eventual invasion secret as much as possible, until the night of the 23th, so much so that even Russian soldiers were surprised that they were attacking, which didn't help their performance in battle. And he underestimated the Ukrainians' ability to fight, because of their performances against the separatists.

I don't think he is a maniac or what, I think he simply feels like he was about to be completely cornered, badly miscaculated both his army's ability to achieve its objectives, and his enemies' willigness to fight.
 
Every historian will tell you not psychologize people when trying to explain why they behave the way they did, because it's only baseless speculation that doesn't help you understand what happens.
Most people behave logically, but according to the information they have. If you don't have the same kind of information they have, you will think they are irrational. You also need to understand their perspective.

I'm of the opinion that what happened in Belarus in 2020 really disturbed Putin, and that he felt that he was slowly being encircled, the West trying to remove his allies one by one. He wanted more guarantees from Ukraine that it wouldn't become an enemy in the future, so he mobilized those troops to put pressure them. War was always a possibility, but he most likely wanted to use the invasion as a last resort, knowing he would suffer the consequences of such a violation of International Law. He knew western intelligence was watching him, so he tried to keep the eventual invasion secret as much as possible, until the night of the 23th, so much so that even Russian soldiers were surprised that they were attacking, which didn't help their performance in battle. And he underestimated the Ukrainians' ability to fight, because of their performances against the separatists.

I don't think he is a maniac or what, I think he simply feels like he was about to be completely cornered, badly miscaculated both his army's ability to achieve its objectives, and his enemies' willigness to fight.
I agree with everything except this notion that Ukrainians are doing well. What is the evidence?
 
I agree with everything except this notion that Ukrainians are doing well. What is the evidence?
I don't believe the reports that Russians have lost 1000 tanks, 5000 soldiers, 200 planes. But I think that the fact they haven't successfully encircled Kiev yet, that they tried multiple times to attack Kiev, Kharkov, and Mariupol, a minor city that is just next to Donetsk and Luhansk, isn't a good sign for their army.
 
Earlier in the thread people were talking about how Putin seems to have shifted from the cold calculating machine we knew from the previous two decades into a full on unhinged lunatic

This is just twitter gossip so take it with a MASSIVE grain of salt but people have been speculating that he might have some kind of neurological disease that is affecting his decision making. I've heard Brain Cancer, Parkinson's, Long Covid, and Dementia among a plethora of others. Either he wants to go down in history as a hero of Russia before he passes or the cancer-aids has straight up made him a schizophrenic madman

While I think this is an interesting theory, I don't personally buy it. I feel like at the very least something like this would have been leaked ages ago.

I think what's more accurate is that we're in a Mussolini like situation where Putin is surrounded by yes men who kiss his ass and tell him what he wants to hear 24/7. This has undoubtedly thrust him further into his delusions and is causing him to make batshit stupid decisions on the international stage. Let's just hope Ukraine can bloody Russia's nose similar to what Greece did to Italy in WW2
I think the reality is that we're all playing internet psychologists and military tacticians based on information that's probably in large part propaganda. We'll probably never have a definite answer as to why Putin is doing what he's doing or if it's a good idea until the dust has settled.
 
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