Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Elbereth said:
People were dying in Ukraine for 8 years, becasue 8 years ago was another hostile takeover of land, by Putin.

I have a feeling that none of these actions are justifiable, and Putin is just a giant dick:thinking:
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8 years ago the elected Ukrainian government got toppled by a coup to install an anti-Russian one selected directly by the US State Department. They've spent the entire time before then doing nothing but further saber-rattling against Russians down to claiming to want to get nukes. Any civilian losses were avoidable and chiefly on the Ukrainian government and the US who propped them up.
 
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ChefKiss said:
It's fucking insane that people are cheering on and supporting them handing out guns to random civvies, a move that has zero strategic advantage and will get tons of civilians killed pointlessly. It's even worse if that's what they're hoping will happen for PR purposes. Yet people are cheering it on as a great thing and if you question its brilliance it must be because you love Putin
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Well they are getting invaded by a hyper-aggressive superpower hellbent on erasing their country from the map. All bets are off.
 
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ChefKiss said:
It's fucking insane that people are cheering on and supporting them handing out guns to random civvies, a move that has zero strategic advantage and will get tons of civilians killed pointlessly. It's even worse if that's what they're hoping will happen for PR purposes. Yet people are cheering it on as a great thing and if you question its brilliance it must be because you love Putin
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Exactly. I am curious to see a serious argument from someone who is dug in on one side or the other on this conflict. While I've heard the occasional "Support Russia to own the libs" I've been seeing a lot more neutrality and it's framed by the Ukrainian side as complicity. The Ukrainian side hasn't really even attempted to argue their point, just assuming it as default and that if you don't agree you're a Putin Shill.

It's basically the Left/Right Culture War all over again, where if you disagree you're a "Nazi" or "Russian Puppet".
 
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God of Nothing said:
Welcome to most of human history and existence. Nothing we do is truly justified. It just makes us feel better if we believe it is. Right now, Putin believes the invasion is justified. Other people, not so much. What matters is who's left standing.
Also, this is classic whataboutism.
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Maybe its also the fact that they took Crimea from them in 2014 and are sick of being preyed upon so this time are saying fuck it and fighting them till the bitter end.
 
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Literally every pro-russian and pro-ukrainian in this thread
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Fcret said:
Western demographies aren't great but you're overdosing on copium if you think they're even on the same level as Russia's demography. Germany could, if so inclined, regenerate their demography over two or three generations with the right government policies. Russia does not have that option - their demography is terminal. Unless you push for some kind of single-mother driven family policy in Russia, there are simply not enough men to regenerate the Russian population to stave off severe deflation.
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https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-rate - 1.82

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/fertility-rate - 1.60
 
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Elbereth said:
People were dying in Ukraine for 8 years, becasue 8 years ago was another hostile takeover of land, by Putin.

I have a feeling that none of these actions are justifiable, and Putin is just a giant dick:thinking:
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Yeah, because often times people who work their way up powerful political structures are just motivationless douchebags.

Come on, you can hate Putin as much as you want but you should at least learn about his motivations. Everyone has them, especially with people who have more than 1000 dollars in their bank account.
 
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FightenGnome said:
Exactly. I am curious to see a serious argument from someone who is dug in on one side or the other on this conflict. While I've heard the occasional "Support Russia to own the libs" I've been seeing a lot more neutrality and it's framed by the Ukrainian side as complicity. The Ukrainian side hasn't really even attempted to argue their point, just assuming it as default and that if you don't agree you're a Putin Shill.

It's basically the Left/Right Culture War all over again, where if you disagree you're a "Nazi" or "Russian Puppet".
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The left has a vested interest in Ukraine staying in the EU's power. Everyone else not so much.
 
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Richardface said:
Russia has air superiority, massive artillery superiority, and better equipment generally so its far more likely the casualty figures are lopsidedly in Russia's favor. Military history for the last 30 years shows the more modern force gets nasty K:biggrin: ratios and defender's advantage doesn't mean much when you don't have the equipment.
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This is why both the USSR and the USA beat the Afghanis and to this day speak both Russian AND with a Bronx accent.
 
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FightenGnome said:
Exactly. I am curious to see a serious argument from someone who is dug in on one side or the other on this conflict. While I've heard the occasional "Support Russia to own the libs" I've been seeing a lot more neutrality and it's framed by the Ukrainian side as complicity. The Ukrainian side hasn't really even attempted to argue their point, just assuming it as default and that if you don't agree you're a Putin Shill.

It's basically the Left/Right Culture War all over again, where if you disagree you're a "Nazi" or "Russian Puppet".
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I personally just don't agree with the reasoning behind the NATO argument. What would a Ukrainian NATO look like? Maybe a few more CIA listening posts closer to Russia? I cannot believe that the Russian government genuinely considered an invasion by some western coalition to have been even a remote possibility. Ukrainian admittance to NATO should not have been pushed by the West but I can't imagine that it would have really amounted to much.

The Russians were in a perfectly good position. Kazakhstan had been brought back into the fold, Crimea was taken without any real impact on the Russian state, Assad is still in and Belarus will eventually be de-facto annexed when the Union State project is completed (which will put the Union State on a border with NATO Poland anyway). Is what-ever Russia is going to get from the peace accords really worth the sanctions, the delaying of the German pipeline, and how expensive this thing is going to turn out to be?
 
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