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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Maybe that's because Russia has to project power over a large part of the world with a smaller yearly budget than New York State? With an army full of high-schoolers who thought they were just doing military exercises when they stepped into foreign territory? And they're led by old USSR-era Communist Party elites who are so horribly detached from the problems of their nation, they think they're still the same superpower they were 60 years ago? It's not that surprising to see why they failed, once you take into account all these factors.


At least GLOBOHOMO pays better.


Not if he built up his economy, allowed free-market capitalism and competition to flourish, so that he would have genuine economic growth that can fund a large and powerful army, instead of grabbing high-school kids and equipping them with outdated guns.
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Kyiv mayor says city is ‘encircled’​


Kyiv is surrounded by Russian forces, Mayor Vitali Klitschko told the Associated Press on Sunday.

Asked by the news outlet if the Ukrainian capital planned to evacuate civilians if Russian troops took over, Klitschko said it wasn’t possible.

“We can’t do that, because all ways are blocked,” he said. “Right now we are encircled.”

So far, Ukrainian troops and citizens have withstood Russian force. The advance on the city has also occurred much slower than many experts had anticipated.

“We do assess that there is greater resistance by the Ukrainians than the Russians expected,” a senior United States defense official told NBC News last week. “They are fighting for their country.”

Nine civilians in Kyiv had been killed so far, including one child, the AP reported.

While I'm sure the Ukrainians are definitely putting up more of a fight, 9 civilians dead is an indication the Russians are pulling their punches.

If they were operating by Chechnya rules they wouldn't be faffing about in the suburbs they'd be clearing the way with TOS-1 and be taking selfies in the Ukrainian Parliament by now while the city burned

I guess they're trying to walk the line and not step so far over that popular sentiment in the west sees a surge of support for intervention
 
Not if he built up his economy, allowed free-market capitalism and competition to flourish, so that he would have genuine economic growth that can fund a large and powerful army, instead of grabbing high-school kids and equipping them with outdated guns.
Unlike the USA, Russia doesn't control the world's global reserve currency. It can't run up $23trn of debt to subsidize its banks and it can't go invading and bombing anyone that dares threaten its global control of the oil market (Iraq, Libya). It can't afford to pay off its population with gibs while it outsources all manufacturing to China and put off the consequences of that year after year by exporting inflation and printing currency. Russia is geographically large but its population is less than half that of the USA and it can't capitalise on its natural resources because the USA uses its muscle to block it even peacefully selling its oil to European neighbours. It struggles to build up its financial sector because, again, the US leads sanctions that isolate it (for the "crime" of adopting Crimea which wanted to be part of Russia anyway and which was pretty much an existential requirement given increasing military threats encroachment on its border).

Russia is not part of the Western globalist cabal and therefore must be brought to heel. You make it sound like Russia could just make a few different decisions and bang - American or Northern European economy. Not only is it starting from a very difficult place but it is actively and aggressively undermined by the US from doing so. Sure, the US would love it if Russia became a "free-market capitalist society". But only on their terms, bowing the knee to their immigration policies and cultural movements. And the USA is very, very far from a "free-market capitalist society" and they certainly don't want that for Russia.

There was talk of a poll on our positions for this thread. Neutral sounded a popular option here with people saying: "it's wrong but no reason we have to get involved." Mine is similar. "It's wrong but that doesn't mean his hand wasn't forced".

I don't usually like "he was provoked" arguments. I'm big on personal responsibility and also they're often used to try and victim blame. But it's my contention that Russia is facing an existential threat. It's not one that is going to happen in the next five years or ten years. But that's seldom the timescale a country's trajectory is considered in. The point is that we can support an argument that it is so, and Putin can as well. Arguments of "he should just have a better economy" don't really cut it when even countries that don't face massive external financial assaults like the USA are skating on the very thinnest of ice and only got there by massive tax-payer funded bailouts that have yet to come home to roost.

Is this a massive error on Putin's part? Might be. But I think he's choosing to fight now, rather than fight later. At least this way it's somewhat on his terms.
 
While I'm sure the Ukrainians are definitely putting up more of a fight, 9 civilians dead is an indication the Russians are pulling their punches.

If they were operating by Chechnya rules they wouldn't be faffing about in the suburbs they'd be clearing the way with TOS-1 and be taking selfies in the Ukrainian Parliament by now while the city burned

I guess they're trying to walk the line and not step so far over that popular sentiment in the west sees a surge of support for intervention

More like they are trying to at least try to avoid civilian casualties because that would take away the last vestiges of their bullshit justifications for this war. If Russia wouldn't have nukes the rest of the Europe + NATO would've already attacked them, and because they have, everyone is circling this issue like cats around a hot porridge. No matter how hard Russia would strike against Ukrainians it's clear that no outside forces are coming to Kyivs aid because the nuclear deterrent really is that deterring.
 
While I'm sure the Ukrainians are definitely putting up more of a fight, 9 civilians dead is an indication the Russians are pulling their punches.

If they were operating by Chechnya rules they wouldn't be faffing about in the suburbs they'd be clearing the way with TOS-1 and be taking selfies in the Ukrainian Parliament by now while the city burned

I guess they're trying to walk the line and not step so far over that popular sentiment in the west sees a surge of support for intervention
Armed civilian militias further complicates things and restrictive RoE probably plays a large part in why the capital hasn't been taken yet.
Allegedly men were being conscripted all over the country a day or two ago with busses of them going to Kiev.
 
Exactly. For Putin, this was supposed to be a quick decapitation, not a bogged down turf war that's slowly turning against Russia. And now, Belarus is going to be in the hot seat as well; they allowed Russian forces to go through their lands for a quick decapitation strike against Kiev, and it failed.
Lukashenko is getting worried. From FoxNews breaking news feed

Lukashenko: Russia being pushed towards ‘a third world war’​

Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko told Russian media outlets Sunday that he believed sanctions from the West have started pushing Russia towards wider conflict.
“Now there is a lot of talk against the banking sector, gas, oil, SWIFT,” Lukashenko said. “It’s worse than war. This is pushing Russia into a third world war.”
“We need to be restrained here so as not to get into trouble,” Lukashenko added. “Because nuclear war is the end of everything.”

Two other reports that indicate a sharp and alarming escalation in Europe

US nationals in Russia advised to leave "immediately"​

The U.S. Embassy in Russia urged American nationals to leave the country as airlines continue to cancel flights into and out of Russia.
The State Department issued a Level 4 travel advisory in the run-up to the invasion, which urged Americans not to travel.
The U.S. has continued to caution that it will not execute any military evacuations in Ukraine.
Posted by Peter Aitken

EU bans Russian state media, aircrafts​

European Commision President Ursula von der Leyen announced Sunday the European Union will ban all Russian-owned aircraft from its airspace and all Russian state media.
"They won’t be able to land in, take off or overfly the territory of the EU, including the private jets of oligarchs," von der Leyen tweeted.
She specifically named Russia Today and Sputnik and their subsidiaries as the chief targets of the media ban.
"We are developing tools to ban their toxic and harmful disinformation in Europe," she added.
Posted by Peter Aitken

The EU has banned all Russian owned Aircraft, be it Private, Commercial or Government from its airspace. They've also kicked out Russia Today. Putin seems to be growing more intense and unhinged by the hour. Did everybody remember to stock up on your Iodine pills and lead lined underwear?
 
Unlike the USA, Russia doesn't control the world's global reserve currency. It can't run up $23trn of debt to subsidize its banks and it can't go invading and bombing anyone that dares threaten its global control of the oil market (Iraq, Libya). It can't afford to pay off its population with gibs while it outsources all manufacturing to China and put off the consequences of that year after year by exporting inflation and printing currency. Russia is geographically large but its population is less than half that of the USA and it can't capitalise on its natural resources because the USA uses its muscle to block it even peacefully selling its oil to European neighbours. It struggles to build up its financial sector because, again, the US leads sanctions that isolate it (for the "crime" of adopting Crimea which wanted to be part of Russia anyway and which was pretty much an existential requirement given increasing military threats encroachment on its border).

Russia is not part of the Western globalist cabal and therefore must be brought to heel. You make it sound like Russia could just make a few different decisions and bang - American or Northern European economy. Not only is it starting from a very difficult place but it is actively and aggressively undermined by the US from doing so. Sure, the US would love it if Russia became a "free-market capitalist society". But only on their terms, bowing the knee to their immigration policies and cultural movements. And the USA is very, very far from a "free-market capitalist society" and they certainly don't want that for Russia.

There was talk of a poll on our positions for this thread. Neutral sounded a popular option here with people saying: "it's wrong but no reason we have to get involved." Mine is similar. "It's wrong but that doesn't mean his hand wasn't forced".

I don't usually like "he was provoked" arguments. I'm big on personal responsibility and also they're often used to try and victim blame. But it's my contention that Russia is facing an existential threat. It's not one that is going to happen in the next five years or ten years. But that's seldom the timescale a country's trajectory is considered in. The point is that we can support an argument that it is so, and Putin can as well. Arguments of "he should just have a better economy" don't really cut it when even countries that don't face massive external financial assaults like the USA are skating on the very thinnest of ice and only got there by massive tax-payer funded bailouts that have yet to come home to roost.

Is this a massive error on Putin's part? Might be. But I think he's choosing to fight now, rather than fight later. At least this way it's somewhat on his terms.
It's all America's fault that Russia is a decrepit s*** hole
They're the exact same immigration policies of the United States they allow bunch of Southeast Asians into the country
Was just slightly less faggity than the us but that's about it
 
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While I'm sure the Ukrainians are definitely putting up more of a fight, 9 civilians dead is an indication the Russians are pulling their punches.

If they were operating by Chechnya rules they wouldn't be faffing about in the suburbs they'd be clearing the way with TOS-1 and be taking selfies in the Ukrainian Parliament by now while the city burned

I guess they're trying to walk the line and not step so far over that popular sentiment in the west sees a surge of support for intervention
One question to ask is who is it that is pulling those punches? I've seen a few "Intelligence Advisors" (ie Idiots) in the media wondering if the Russian Army is deliberately softballing the human rights atrocities regardless of what Emperor Vlad commands. This doesn't seem like it would be a thing to me. But nothing in this invasion seems to be according to expected estimates so why not?

One way to view this would be how would the US Military react if told to march into Canada and start killing civilians? Or Mexico City. These are neighbors. There are a lot of people with family on both sides of the border. A lot of Military people with such families. Okay I'll give you they may burn down Montreal, just because French Canadians are almost as annoying as the French, but past that they would not be overly enthusiastic for the mission.

Edit; In other news it has now been confirmed by Ukraine that the only An 225, the Worlds largest airplane, was destroyed in the Russian assault on Antonov Airport.

BREAKING: UKRAINE CONFIRMED ANTONOV AN-225 MRIYA DESTROYED​

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Antonov An-225 Mriya Destroyed​

Antonov An-225, the biggest plane in the world was destroyed by Russian troops in the second air attack on the Hostomel (Gostomel) airport near Kyiv. The aircraft was burnt in the Russian attack.

Foreign Minister of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba has confirmed on his Twitter account below:

Antonov Company mentioned on a tweet that they could not confirm the technical conditions of the aircraft.

The An-225 Mriya was originally built to transport the Soviet space shuttle, Buran.
According to Wikipedia, as an oversized aircraft, the Antonov An-225 Mriya held multiple records which included; heaviest aircraft ever built, and largest wingspan of any aircraft in operational service.

Other records held by the An-225 were cargo related in terms of weight and length as the Antonov An-225 had the capability to carry up to 640 tonnes (705 short tons). The An-225 attracted a high degree of public interest, so much that it had managed to attain a global following due to its size and its uniqueness.
We pay tribute to An-225 Mriya in the video below:

Records Held by An-225 Mriya (Source Wikipedia)​

The airlifter holds the absolute world record for an airlifted single-item payload of 189,980 kg (418,830 lb),and an airlifted total payload of 253,820 kg (559,580 lb). It also transported a payload of 247,000 kg (545,000 lb) on a commercial flight.
On 11 September 2001, carrying four main battle tanks at a record load of 253.82 tonnes (279.79 short tons) of cargo, the An-225 flew at an altitude of up to 10,750 m (35,270 ft) over a closed circuit of 1,000 km (620 mi) at a speed of 763.2 km/h (474.2 mph).
On 11 August 2009, the heaviest single cargo item ever sent by air freight was loaded onto the An-225. At 16.23 m (53 ft 3 in) long and 4.27 m (14 ft 0 in) wide, its consignment, a generator for a gas power plant in Armenia along with its loading frame, weighed in at a record 189 tonnes (417,000 lb).
On 11 June 2010, the An-225 carried the world’s longest piece of air cargo, two 42.1 m (138 ft) test wind turbine blades from Tianjin, China, to Skrydstrup, Denmark.
 
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At least America can AFFORD to engage in such fuckery, rather than go to war with a bunch of high school kids who thought they were doing military exercises in Belarus.
Personally I dont buy the whole "they're losing because they're being nice about it." It's like picking a fight with someone then when you get your ass kicked and they ask why you didn't fight harder you say "well, I didn't want to be mean about it." My guess the reason it's taking so long is because they don't have air superiority plus logistic issues. If they start to lose more battles I'll assume they'll be more aggressive and try to capture air superiority. If NATO, Sweden and the rest of the EU is confident in shipping weapons via land to Ukraine then it's pretty clear they don't have complete control of the skies.
 
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As weird as Putin has been behaving, I don't think he would ever seriously consider attacking the west directly. Russia is no doubt embarrassed by all these military blunders and is trying to save face to the world by bringing up their infamous nuke card

Russia and (to a lesser extent) China have primarily been operating on fear these past few years to get what they want and the Ukrainian resistance is finally showing the world that they're not invincible stonewalls like their propaganda would have you believe. Who would have thought that military parades and "masculine" TV ads don't actually equate to a competent fighting force

Calling the war this early would be stupid but I think Vlad must really be getting desperate if he's already threatening mutually assured destruction. He has good reason to: His entire legacy is on the line. The mighty Russian war machine is being laughed at and his stock market is about to tank. If this backfires, the Russia he worked so hard to rebuild since the time of Yeltsin will be gone.
 

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Russia’s space chief has raised concerns about the ISS’ future, hitting out at the US over sanctions that aim to “degrade their aerospace industry”. - Copyright Canva

The head of Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, has suggested that the International Space Station (ISS) could fall out of orbit and crash into the United States or Europe as a result of sanctions on Russia.

The comments came following US president Joe Biden’s announcement of new sanctions that “will degrade their [Russia’s] aerospace industry, including their space programme”.

The announcement came following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.



"If you block cooperation with us, who will save the International Space Station (ISS) from an uncontrolled deorbit and fall into the United States or Europe?" Dmitry Rogozin, Director General of Roscosmos, said in response on Twitter.


He pointed out that the station’s orbit and location in space are controlled by Russian-made engines.


The head of Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, has suggested that the International Space Station (ISS) could fall out of orbit and crash into the United States or Europe as a result of sanctions on Russia.
The comments came following US president Joe Biden’s announcement of new sanctions that “will degrade their [Russia’s] aerospace industry, including their space programme”.
The announcement came following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.


"If you block cooperation with us, who will save the International Space Station (ISS) from an uncontrolled deorbit and fall into the United States or Europe?" Dmitry Rogozin, Director General of Roscosmos, said in response on Twitter.

He pointed out that the station’s orbit and location in space are controlled by Russian-made engines.

"There is also the possibility of a 500-tonne structure falling on India and China. Do you want to threaten them with such a prospect? The ISS does not fly over Russia, therefore all the risks are yours. Are you ready for them?"


The head of Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, has suggested that the International Space Station (ISS) could fall out of orbit and crash into the United States or Europe as a result of sanctions on Russia.
The comments came following US president Joe Biden’s announcement of new sanctions that “will degrade their [Russia’s] aerospace industry, including their space programme”.
The announcement came following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.


"If you block cooperation with us, who will save the International Space Station (ISS) from an uncontrolled deorbit and fall into the United States or Europe?" Dmitry Rogozin, Director General of Roscosmos, said in response on Twitter.
He pointed out that the station’s orbit and location in space are controlled by Russian-made engines.

"There is also the possibility of a 500-tonne structure falling on India and China. Do you want to threaten them with such a prospect? The ISS does not fly over Russia, therefore all the risks are yours. Are you ready for them?"

"Though dramatic, this is likely an idle threat due to both political consequences and the practical difficulty of getting Russian cosmonauts off the ISS safely," said Dr. Wendy Whitman Cobb, a Professor of Strategy and Security Studies at the School of Advanced Air and Space Studies.

"But I am concerned about how the invasion will affect the remaining years of the space station".

What has been NASA's response?​

Four NASA astronauts, two Russian cosmonauts, and one European astronaut are currently on the space station.

NASA said in a statement that it “continues working with Roscosmos and our other international partners in Canada, Europe, and Japan to maintain safe and continuous ISS operations".

"The new export control measures will continue to allow US-Russia civil space cooperation,” it added.

“No changes are planned to the agency's support for ongoing in orbit and ground station operations. The new export control measures will continue to allow US-Russia civil space cooperation”.

Scott Pace, the Director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University, told the Associated Press earlier this week that “it's possible to imagine a break with Russia that would endanger the space station, but that would be at the level of a dropping diplomatic relations".

"That would be something that would be an utterly last resort so I don't really see that happening unless there is a wider military confrontation," he added.

Recent tensions with Russia in space​

The space station - an international partnership of five space agencies from 15 countries, including Canada, several countries in Europe, Japan, Russia, and the US - launched in 1998 and morphed into a complex that's almost as long as a football field, with almost 13 km of electrical wiring, an acre of solar panels and three high-tech labs.

For the ISS to function, the Russian cosmonauts and the other astronauts need to work as a team and cooperate.

There have, however, been tensions towards the Russians in recent months after a Russian weapons test in November 2021 created more than 1,500 pieces of space junk that threatened the safety of the seven astronauts aboard the station.
 
Personally I dont buy the whole "they're losing because they're being nice about it." It's like picking a fight with someone then when you get your ass kicked and they ask why you didn't fight harder you say "well, I didn't want to be mean about it." My guess the reason it's taking so long is because they don't have air superiority plus logistic issues. If they start to lose more battles I'll assume they'll be more aggressive and try to capture air superiority. If NATO, Sweden and the rest of the EU is confident in shipping weapons via land to Ukraine then it's pretty clear they don't have complete control of the skies.
It's not just that, it's also the neighboring countries in the west Russia has no control over. You can get shipments in from Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland. Unless the Russians advance enough from the East or Belarus, that vector stays open for logistics, especially on the ground. Shipping the supplies in civilian cars only makes it more difficult for them to control imports. They tried to take Lviv to cut off that sector and failed.

And seeing as they already have difficulties advancing further than a hundred miles without running out of fuel, it's gonna be tough for them to push on further without capturing more and more logistically important points like airfields or large train stations with direct connections to the Russian network. And seeing as Ukrainians are willingly blowing up their own infrastructure to make sure the Russians can't supply themselves (at least on the ground), it's going to be hard for them.
 
I think what I deeply enjoy about this war is how many armchair-generals its brought out and how many armchair-generals its proven are fucking idiots.
Vlad is coming off as such a massive faggot right now that all his allies are doing the political equivalent of cringing and backing away.

Now we really just wait out his nuke-tantrum and it will likely be business as usual.
 
Way too much of the “combat footage” I’ve seen consisted of Russians meandering around fuel-depleted AFVs until they surrender to civilians. They just give up. It’s embarrassing.
Almost like they don't want to hurt a bunch of civilians who were just minding their own business for no reason.
 
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