Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Dave_Ph]

I don’t know why people actually are scared of nuclear war it would be a pretty interesting experience especially if you survive it. Maybe I’ve become a sociopath?

Interesting until people like me decide to take everything you have and put you to work till you starve to death.

 

[Pork Packer]

Dunno if its been posted yet but here is the translation of the article accidentally uploaded to some russian state media for a couple minutes on the 26th before being hastily deleted (but not before some gopnik could archive it)

Seems it was scheduled to coincide with the glorious capture of kyiv and total surrender of Ukraine

Наступление России и нового мира

Новый мир рождается на наших глазах. Военная операция России на Украине открыла новую эпоху — причем сразу в трех измерениях. И конечно, в четвертом,... РИА Новости, 26.02.2022

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The offensive of Russia and the new world
A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.

Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.

The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade - recoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum.

Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. In what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus )? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.

And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe . And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.

Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin , seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev ? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which happened according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.

More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is returning.

Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. There will be losses from the sublimation of confrontation on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic.

Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.

But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence - not to mention the fact that in the same way Europe is trying to impose a break with China . If now the Atlanticists are happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case - but various options for its future are still possible.

Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. A multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world.

China and India , Latin America and Africa , the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.

TLDR "GLORIOUS RUSSIAN EMPIRE HAS RETURNED! THE MULTIPOLAR WORLD ORDER IS NIGH AND WE ARE JUST AS STRONK AS AMERICA AND NATO!"

pictured - the rebirth of the russian empire, new global hegemon

 

[Strix454]

It is almost midnight in Ukraine so it is time for this day's edition of "Will Ukraine Hold Kiev By The Morning?". What do you all think? Will Ukraine manage to do it and ensure we have to call it Kyiv another day or will Russia finally take it?

Do we have any idea where the russians are inside the city or what they control? I can't find any videos with audio from the central square in Kiev anymore. It used to be possible to get an idea of the situation from that.
The last report I heard about fighting in Kiev was stuff about engagements to the north of the city. But even that was vague.

My bet would be on them not taking it during the night. But with the admission from the Ukranians that the city is surrounded, I would guess that they will start moving in
strength into the city to take it within the next few days.

 

[Fivehead]

4300 dead russians

 

[BeautifulCancer]

atleast get serbia involved if I remember serbia gave no fucks and genocideds the bosnians, fight brutality with even more hellish slavic brutality.

If Serbia joined right now it would get attacked from all sides.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

I don’t know why people actually are scared of nuclear war it would be a pretty interesting experience especially if you survive it. Maybe I’ve become a sociopath?

"Why aren't people keen for a nuclear war that would probably fuck up a lot of people (including, most likely, them) through the direct hit, radiation poisoning from the fallout, or second-order effects like not being able to get medication that prevents them from dying, and even the ones that are 'okay' after all that now get to live life on permanent hard-mode?"

 

[Aidan]

I don’t know why people actually are scared of nuclear war it would be a pretty interesting experience especially if you survive it. Maybe I’ve become a sociopath?

No a sociopath (I think) just ignorant. Go live in a shithole for a year and you'll be grateful for so much when you return. The "little things" like potable water and a pot to piss in go a long way.

 

[Accidental Racism]

Ukraine is BLM now.

I guess slavs really aren't white then.

 

[Herty]

I am ready for the Nuclear war Daddy Putin, cleanse this worthless and evil world with nuclear fire

 

[ColtWalker1847]

To be fair Poland/Romania/Moldova are irrelevant to the US. It's relevant to Germany, France and the UK. This is one reason Trump wanted them to pay/contribute to their defense and NATO. We are the world's police and it isn't always to our benefit/advantage to be in that position. If other NATO countries actually made the contributions they're obligated to make they would have been more invested in what's been going on in Ukraine for the past 20 years.

The only reason I care about this clusterfuck is the effect it will have on the US and the Pacific (eg China). All politics is local as Tip O'Neill observed and in all honesty all I care is how this will affect me, my family, taxes and my ability to grab a bottle of Stoli.

NATO being full of moochers isn't new. Some however do contribute. Most notably the ones near Russia. They know what is at stake.

When we talk about some not pulling their weight we really mean one country. Germany. Their defense spending and economic policies and energy policies are basically what caused this. The EU is their pet project. Energiewende is them backdooring imported Russian gas. The shortfall of NATO spending them dismantling their military.

 

[thisighuf]

Updated map of Russian hold of Ukraine

 

[Socrates]

Kind of a side note, but it seems to me like the old cold war theory of force dispersal that led to the development of the harrier was spot on. Airfields seem to be getting raped pretty fast.

It's definitely interesting to see semi modern forces go toe to toe for once and finally test out a lot of doctrine that has never had to face real scrutiny aside from military historians getting pissy with each other.

 

[Fougaro]

Is Kevin captured yet?

According to mayor Klitschko, he's surrounded by the Russians and home alone.

 

[MG-34]

 

[Strix454]

If Serbia joined right now it would get attacked from all sides.

That has never stopped Serbia before.

 

[Sammich]

you fucknig retard.

FUCKNIG RETARD.. I'm gonna be using that a ton. (yes, i know it's a typo, you FUCKNIG RETARD)

 

[Manly_Brony]

Ehhh...i dont think he knows the plans of the Russian units into tirnapol. Odessa is literally a 5 minute drive from the border. He can account for his men ofc

Yeah, I saw it on Google Maps too and I'm thinking that Russian force plus volunteers (ethnic Russians and the local Cossack LARPers linked below) are just waiting for the show to start in Odessa:

December 17 is the Day of the Black Sea Cossack Army Revival

Tiraspol, December 17. /Novosti Pridnestrovya/. The history of our republic is closely connected with the Cossacks. Drawing from the traditions preserved in the national memory, 29 years ago, on December 17, 1991, the Cossacks were recreated in Pridnestrovie. In early 1990, the descendants of...

novostipmr.com

 

[NJBear]

tbh tho, nuclear winter would cool the earth by a couple degrees and researchers have stated a nuclear winter would be largely surviveable for the human race. so we could literally stop climate change if we had a nuclear war.

Maybe that's the plan. For depopulation and killing lots of Whitey's.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Yeah I think I am just too comfy with first world life and ‘oh hey survival living looks like it might be excitin’ then I break an ankle trying to catch a rabbit to eat and have to figure out how to amputate before I die of infection.

 

[Pork Packer]

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ya know i really should add this to the translation of the "GLORIOUS RUSSIAN EMPIRE HAS RETURNED! OUR MIGHTY ARMY IS INVINCIBLE AND THE WEST TREMBLES AT OUR COMING!" cringefest article i posted....infact i think im gonna...