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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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As weird as Putin has been behaving, I don't think he would ever seriously consider attacking the west directly. Russia is no doubt embarrassed by all these military blunders and is trying to save face to the world by bringing up their infamous nuke card

Russia and (to a lesser extent) China have primarily been operating on fear these past few years to get what they want and the Ukrainian resistance is finally showing the world that they're not invincible stonewalls like their propaganda would have you believe. Who would have thought that military parades and "masculine" TV ads don't actually equate to a competent fighting force

Calling the war this early would be stupid but I think Vlad must really be getting desperate if he's already threatening mutually assured destruction. He has good reason to: His entire legacy is on the line. The mighty Russian war machine is being laughed at and his stock market is about to tank. If this backfires, the Russia he worked so hard to rebuild since the time of Yeltsin will be gone.

Russian leaders have almost always made retarded decisions based off of embarrassment. The fact that he's trying to scare people with nukes & having control of chernobyl is just laughable at this point. If he does nuke anything, it would be the stupidest thing he's ever done.

Dude seems like he's having a huge manic episode or something
 
Russian leaders have almost always made retarded decisions based off of embarrassment. The fact that he's trying to scare people with nukes & having control of chernobyl is just laughable at this point. If he does nuke anything, it would be the stupidest thing he's ever done.

Dude seems like he's having a huge manic episode or something
I honest to God welcome this because then we'd get to see some of our anti-icbm defenses in practice.
After that though, Russia will have literally burned all their bridges and there will be an international field day of black-ops after Vlad, or just a flat out retaliation.
 
Russian leaders have almost always made retarded decisions based off of embarrassment. The fact that he's trying to scare people with nukes & having control of chernobyl is just laughable at this point. If he does nuke anything, it would be the stupidest thing he's ever done.

Dude seems like he's having a huge manic episode or something

Remember when the Czar took personal control of his armies in WW1 because his generals were failing and he felt that he needed to salvage the situation himself? Yeah. It seems that things really haven't changed.
 
Edit; In other news it has now been confirmed by Ukraine that the only An 225, the Worlds largest airplane, was destroyed in the Russian assault on Antonov Airport.
I thought the Stratolaunch twin boom airplane is the largest airplane with the former An-225 in second? Rip Mriya.
 
According to CNN, there's a three-mile-long supply convoy about 40 miles outside Kyiv, and some retired American general was asked to comment on this and he basically said "This looks like Russia made some seriously shitty decisions about how long it would take to capture Kyiv."

And I'm not a general and I don't play one on TV but a three-mile-long convoy going on a 2-lane road through hostile territory looks exceptionally vulnerable to shenanigans.

Like I'd hate to sacrifice a personal vehicle but I feel like you could park a car in the middle of the road and set it on fire and all the Russians would be left holding their dicks for a half an hour.

If you have two people and two cars, park another flaming car at the back of the convoy for extra lulz.

If it was the US, one could park a flaming meth trailer out there.

Death by a thousand cuts.
 
Or they don't have as much ordnance as they'd like the world to believe.
are you retarded?
I know this is A&N, but fuck me that is probably the absolute dumbest take I've ever read over here. If you don't understand the difference between a military takeover and dresden 1944, you need to shut the fuck up, holy shit. the optics of piles of dead civilians alone would generate a completely different reaction, both internationally and nationally, least of all for the reason @Bum Driller pointed out.

you're also falling for an obvious as fuck disinfo campaign, russia has been pretty much completely quiet, you don't even hear about the usual propaganda aimed at their citizens, you're only seeing what the MSM (always a good resource!) is showing you and whatever ukraine is making up, with a lot of background noise of shitposting. stop being a dumb fuck arm chair general.

fucking burger hours, I swear...

No it isn't. Putin could have just used military presence at the border to wring concessions out of Ukraine, NATO, the EU, and Sleepy Joe, and then sent the boys home. Heck, that's what it looked like before he invaded, and that would have been a sound strategic victory against the west. Instead, he invaded, and now he's making his army the laughing stock of the world. Instead of focusing on domestic problems like halting the population decline and building a strong, healthy economy that can fund a powerful army, he decided to go to war and risk every advantage in the book, to take control of a nation where damn near everyone wants to put a bullet in his skull.
>it's not globohomo's fault
>he should just starting to suck globohomo cock!

god, you are retarded. nigga he's been doing exactly that while the west has been shitting in russia's backyard for ever. what is the orange revolution? what is euromaidan? any other country pulling that shit in mexico or canada would get it's teeth kicked in - but that would be ok, because it's the USA doing it. just like it's ok to roll over some middle eastern shithole, why? because no one gives a fuck, and neither do you. but suddenly ukraine is MUH WW3 IVAN'S GOING FOR EUROPE and other retarded shit.

stick to star wars mate, because you obviously have zero clue about that part of the world or geopolitics, economics or military in general.
 
are you retarded?
I know this is A&N, but fuck me that is probably the absolute dumbest take I've ever read over here. If you don't understand the difference between a military takeover and dresden 1944, you need to shut the fuck up, holy shit. the optics of piles of dead civilians alone would generate a completely different reaction, both internationally and nationally, least of all for the reason @Bum Driller pointed out.

you're also falling for an obvious as fuck disinfo campaign, russia has been pretty much completely quiet, you don't even hear about the usual propaganda aimed at their citizens, you're only seeing what the MSM (always a good resource!) is showing you and whatever ukraine is making up, with a lot of background noise of shitposting. stop being a dumb fuck arm chair general.

fucking burger hours, I swear...


>it's not globohomo's fault
>he should just starting to suck globohomo cock!

god, you are retarded. nigga he's been doing exactly that while the west has been shitting in russia's backyard for ever. what is the orange revolution? what is euromaidan? any other country pulling that shit in mexico or canada would get it's teeth kicked in - but that would be ok, because it's the USA doing it. just like it's ok to roll over some middle eastern shithole, why? because no one gives a fuck, and neither do you. but suddenly ukraine is MUH WW3 IVAN'S GOING FOR EUROPE and other retarded shit.

stick to star wars mate, because you obviously have zero clue about that part of the world or geopolitics, economics or military in general.

Says the guy who's ignoring the state of the Russian army, the state of Russia's economy, and the fact that they can't even come up with as much money as fucking New York.

Really, it's not that hard to believe that Russia bungled this invasion and that they're nowhere near as powerful as they claim to be when a crime-ridden California makes more money than them.

And again, it was Putin who started this war, not the west, not "GLOBOHOMO". The west was fucking scared of him before, but now? They're laughing at him, and if it wasn't for his nukes, they'd have gutted him by now. Or turned Moscow into the next Dresden. When you have to lie to your own troops and threaten to destroy the world because some backwater, Z-list ex-Soviet Republic is handing your army of high school boys their asses on a plate, you know you've fucked up.

Putin could have used his military numbers to wring some concessions out of NATO and the west, and gone back home. Keep the west from learning how weak Russia's army is. Use the fear of force rather than force itself. Instead, he made an ass of himself in the global stage, and now he's threatening to destroy the world because things didn't go his way. He wasn't as smart or as rational as we all believed him to be. You have to accept that fact.
 
Deleted Tweets Reveal a Progressive Group’s Ukraine Meltdown

A self-styled “institution of progressive popular education” founded by a former U.S. senator and backed by top left-of-center intellectuals and leaders spent the days and weeks ahead of the bloody Russian assault on Ukraine pumping out misinformation, experts say.

Now it is desperately attempting to backtrack, in part by deleting tweets.

The Gravel Institute was born out of the 2020 presidential bid of eccentric late Alaskan Sen. Mike Gravel, and explicitly styled itself as a counterweight to right-wing YouTube phenomenon PragerU. Its stylish videos have included left-wing luminaries such as Cornel West and Slavoj Zizek and celebrities like comedian David Cross and voice actor H. Jon Benjamin. It announced a new board of directors earlier this month featuring bold-faced names like ex-Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner and Jacobin magazine founder Bhaskar Sunkara, neither of whom replied on the record to requests for comment.

In recent days, the organization has issued multiple denunciations of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s attack on his western neighbor, along with statements of support for anti-invasion Russian demonstrators and for Ukrainian citizens. The group hit those same points in an extensive statement to The Daily Beast on Friday.


“We stand in solidarity with Ukrainians and with the many Russians protesting the war, denounce Putin’s act of naked, horrific, and unconscionable aggression, and hope diplomacy can end the violence soon,” the group wrote. “We stand with the Ukrainian and Russian peoples against the aggression and violence of the Putin regime.”

But just as it was debuting its new leadership earlier this month, the Institute was pushing what experts called false or misleading material on its YouTube and Twitter accounts—material that sometimes aligned with narratives Putin and his proxies were simultaneously advancing.

On Feb. 18, the group published a YouTube video entitled “How America Funded Ukraine’s Neo-Nazis,” which, following online criticism, was renamed “America, Russia, and Ukraine’s Far-Right Problem.” The video reiterated several of the Kremlin’s favorite narratives: namely that Ukrainian nationalism is a Nazi-linked phenomenon born in the 1940s, and that it has taken root in Kyiv and the rest of the country, in opposition to its pro-Russian east.

“Ukrainian nationalism, formed in opposition to the Soviet Union, tended to have a strong right-wing flavor,” the video asserts. “In western Ukraine, there was more stress on a specifically Ukrainian identity, closer to Europe. In eastern Ukraine, meanwhile, people were more likely to stress their historic ties to Russia and the Russian language.”

In fact, Ukrainian national identity predates the Soviet Union by hundreds of years, stretching back to Cossack leaders who ruled the region in the 17th and 18th centuries. And in most of eastern Ukraine, more than 80 percent of voters cast ballots in favor of severing the country from Moscow in 1991; in no area did preserving the bond receive majority support.

The video also focused intensely on the supposed power of far-right parties Svoboda and Right Sector, both objects of obsession in Russian state media—and which, respectively, hold one and zero seats in the Ukrainian parliament, a fact the Institute’s documentary omitted. While emphasizing the influence these parties held in the past, and arguing the country’s neo-Nazis had become “increasingly powerful,” the documentary made no mention of the fact that current Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is Jewish and a native Russian speaker.

In fact, for several months in 2019, Ukraine was the only nation on Earth besides Israel to have both a Jewish president and a Jewish prime minister, when Zelensky led the country along with Volodymyr Groysman.

But most galling to Professor Yoshiko Herrera of the University of Wisconsin at Madison’s Center for Russia, East Europe, and Central Asia, was the video’s failure to explore Moscow’s interventions into Ukrainian affairs since independence. She described the video as “naive” and an example of the kind of “whataboutism” Putin promotes: pointing out questionable parties and pieces of legislation in other countries, and thereby reducing scrutiny on far worse abuses on the part of Russian authorities.

“It is a strategic distraction,” she said of the tactic. “Why would you put out a video like that that ignores the Russian interference into Ukrainian politics, Ukrainian elections?”

The timing of the Gravel video, released just as Putin massed armaments and regiments on the Ukrainian border and the U.S. warned of an imminent invasion, was also highly disturbing to the academic. Earlier this week, Putin characterized his unprovoked attack as an effort to “denazify” Ukraine.

"This alternative history of Ukraine, I don’t understand why an organization in good faith thinks they’re going to put out a story that is consistent with Putin propaganda at this moment and think people are going to take this seriously,” she said.

In fact, the Gravel Institute does not even mention the deployment of Russian soldiers into Ukrainian territory in the aftermath of pro-Kremlin President Viktor Yanukovych’s ouster, instead asserting that “the far-right helped the country to fracture.”

In its statement to The Daily Beast, the Gravel Institute defended the accuracy of its video and asserted multiple experts reviewed its work before it went live on YouTube. It further maintained its video was never meant to be a comprehensive account of the situation in Ukraine, but instead a window into an under-examined aspect of the crisis. It made a similar claim in a pinned comment visible below the short film.

“The video covers a very small slice of a much broader conflict,” the group said. “The video does not claim to explain the entirety of the conflict, a point we highlighted in the video’s pinned comment, but merely to show how the American government ended up supporting and arming neo-Nazi groups that most Americans would despise.”


But this is at odds with how the group presented the video in one of its many since-deleted tweets, where it seemed to hold the production out as the real version of events precipitating the crisis.

“Everyone is talking about Ukraine. But what do we really know about it, and how it broke apart? This is the little-known story of Ukraine's civil war, and how America ended up in bed with some of its worst offenders—Ukraine’s neo-Nazis,” the memory-holed message to the nonprofit’s 375,000 followers read.

Similarly, the video’s description on YouTube characterizes the presentation as “the surprising, under-told [sic] of how Ukraine split apart, and the background to the civil war that has roiled the country since 2014.”

The video focuses heavily on the Azov Battalion, a roughly 1,000-man Ukrainian unit whose far-right roots The Daily Beast has explored in-depth. But the video makes no mention of the far-larger Wagner Group, a Russian mercenary outfit with neo-Nazi links and ties to Putin’s inner circle. The Daily Beast reported in January that one of Wagner’s most effusively neofascist units, which publicly shared grisly images of atrocities it committed during its 2014-2015 incursion into Ukraine, had announced plans to return to the battle-ravaged nation.

The Gravel production highlights the under-regulated flow of American resources to the Azov Battalion before Congress banned aid to the group in 2018. But it ignores Moscow’s eager and ongoing support for far-right organizations in Ukraine and across Europe.

In fact, when engaging with commenters who complained about the video’s bias, the Gravel Institute insisted, “Wagner is evil ofc but not known to express a neo-Nazi ideology,” a comment they would subsequently apologize for and retract.

That was one of just many claims Gravel stripped from its social media in the past week, claims that all seemed to echo Russian insistence that it had no intention to invade its neighbor. For days, the group repeatedly attacked intelligence reports that Putin would send the vast military force he had assembled on the edges of Ukraine into the country.

“It is exceptionally clear that the American media wants a war between Ukraine and Russia. It is even clearer that the American media doesn’t know the first thing about either country,” a vanished Feb. 14 post read.

The next day, in another since-disappeared tweet, it wrote: “A few days ago, the U.S. government and media said that Russia would invade Ukraine on Wednesday. Wednesday is tomorrow. Please remember that prediction when it does not come to pass.”

“Remember a few days ago, when the media said that Russia was going to invade Ukraine today? Whatever happened to that?” the group tweeted on Feb. 16.

The Institute expanded on this in a response tweet that went undeleted until The Daily Beast reached out for comment.

“They’re just printing whatever intelligence agencies tell them, and the intelligence agencies are basically making it up,” it tweeted.

The group continued to mock U.S. officials for their predictions, and blame Ukraine’s problems on “American diplomacy” right up until Putin announced his intention to unleash his forces.

Then, the erasure of the group’s statements began.

“It’s tweet-and-delete, tweet-and-delete with them,” said Sophie Fullerton, a human rights researcher at Columbia University. “It seems like they’re just spewing misinformation to see if they get a positive reaction or not. And if they get a positive reaction, they keep it up, and if they get a negative reaction, they’ll try to go back and clean it up.”

Fullerton began tracking the Gravel Institute’s activities since last October, when it posted and then removed a tweet lauding late Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi, infamous for persecuting dissenters and massacring prisoners before rebels brutally assassinated him in 2011.

“Under Gaddafi, Libya had free healthcare, free education for both men and women, free housing, and ultra-cheap electricity. Libya under Gaddafi had some of the highest rates of life expectancy, literacy, and per capita GDP in all Africa. Then, 10 years ago, the U.S. killed him,” the tweet read.

Fullerton pointed to Putin’s efforts to hijack legitimate criticism of U.S. foreign and domestic policy, which she suggested had deeply influenced left-wing discourse. She also noted that, despite the esteemed names that have associated themselves with the Institute, the rank-and-file of the organization consists of Sen. Gravel’s very young 2020 campaign staff, themselves Columbia undergraduates.

“People are attracted to the Gravel Institute because they assume these are legitimate people, a legitimate organization, that’s going to give them information,” Fullerton argued. “But it doesn’t delve into the complexities and nuances of these very serious issues. It’s this really simplistic view of how the world works.”

The Gravel Institute acknowledged errors, but insisted it was simply working off of Ukrainian intelligence reports and the views of some Russia experts.

“Where circumstances have proven us incorrect (i.e. on the invasion), we have removed our prior statements and publicly owned up to the mistake. That is and always has been our policy,” the group said.

But it argued that its skepticism was justified based on the U.S. government’s own history of falsehoods and misconduct, particularly since the 9/11 attacks.

“Our instinct to distrust American intelligence agencies, especially when they speak directly to public opinion, is grounded in their history of grotesque lies to justify horrific acts,” the organization wrote. “Every one of these lies has been covered extensively by your own outlet, and contributed to a very justified climate of skepticism and distrust.”

Professor Herrera, of the University of Wisconsin, agreed that suspicion and objections toward U.S. foreign and domestic policies are legitimate and warranted. Upholding a healthy democratic culture of debate while dealing with adversaries like Putin who promote division and diversion is extremely difficult. But acknowledging American and Ukrainian failures doesn’t have to mean excusing, ignoring, or downplaying Russian misdeeds.

Instead, she recommended “focusing on solving problems rather than on critique.”

“We need a movement toward addressing and solving real problems in America,” she said. “Let’s not substitute a discussion of America’s problems for calling out serious threats to us.”

 
According to CNN, there's a three-mile-long supply convoy about 40 miles outside Kyiv, and some retired American general was asked to comment on this and he basically said "This looks like Russia made some seriously shitty decisions about how long it would take to capture Kyiv."

And I'm not a general and I don't play one on TV but a three-mile-long convoy going on a 2-lane road through hostile territory looks exceptionally vulnerable to shenanigans.

Like I'd hate to sacrifice a personal vehicle but I feel like you could park a car in the middle of the road and set it on fire and all the Russians would be left holding their dicks for a half an hour.

If you have two people and two cars, park another flaming car at the back of the convoy for extra lulz.

If it was the US, one could park a flaming meth trailer out there.

Death by a thousand cuts.
I was about to comment on this but it looks like Russia is going to go for one big push for Kiev and it'll decide the tone of the peace talks tomorrow. If they take the city, they might get some much needed leverage in the talks but the performance of the military so far makes it hard to see Ukraine immediately peacing out even if they do take the capital. They could always move the Capitol and government further west and the 4 day delay in the Russian advance most likely gave them enough time to plan an exit strategy so that way the move isn't too chaotic. If Ukraine keeps Kiev then it'll further add to Russia's embarrassment and it'll make Ukraine pretty emboldened in the talks tomorrow. The column looks vulnerable like others have said so if anything they might start sending men armed with anti-tank launchers and gunners to pick them off while they advance but I'm no military expert. But it looks like today is going to be a deciding day in the direction of the war.
 
One question to ask is who is it that is pulling those punches? I've seen a few "Intelligence Advisors" (ie Idiots) in the media wondering if the Russian Army is deliberately softballing the human rights atrocities regardless of what Emperor Vlad commands. This doesn't seem like it would be a thing to me. But nothing in this invasion seems to be according to expected estimates so why not?
My amateur speculation here but I find it plausible to probable that pulling the punches might even be orders from above.
After all, I imagine Putin wants to take Ukraine and insert a puppet regime and then bring his military back and end the war.
I imagine his plans are not to "occupy ukraine by military force forever".

And thus he really needs to show restraint on how the civilians are affected by this so that they will not be restless once he declares the war over.
 
@ZMOT is a bit of a sperg but I have to agree, some of you seem far too emotionally invested in the failure of Russia and are ignoring the fact that the US media is completely in the pocket of American intelligence, uncritically prints lies spouted by them all the time.
You're right we should trust Russia today which is just run by the state it said of attending it's not
If you listen to Russia Today black lives matter is legitimate protest the kkk's making a comeback and America is an imperialistic evil empire
 

Bolsonaro won't condemn Putin, says Brazil will remain neutral over invasion​


 
You're right we should trust Russia today which is just run by the state it said of attending it's not
If you listen to Russia Today black lives matter is legitimate protest the kkk's making a comeback and America is an imperialistic evil empire
Where did I say RT was an unbiased source?
We're watching a modern war unfold and its absolutely retarded to take every news report from US media as 100% true.
 

Bolsonaro won't condemn Putin, says Brazil will remain neutral over invasion​


Well shit I bet Putin's sleeping better at night that some dictator on the other side of the planet DGAF if Putin plays grab-ass with a neighbor.
 
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