Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[mr.moon1488]

Some mayor in a Hoodie does not have the authority to order a surrender anyway.

Ehh no, but he could dissuade people from joining the militia in his town.

 

[BradCarter]

The good news is that several other European countries make and sell it, also iirc golden bear is made in Taiwan under contract. Be nervous if they make moves on Bulgaria or the Czechs. Russia being blocked from ammo sales to the US isn't as big a deal as you would think.

Yea but I'm assuming all the Slavic countries are going to switch to military contracts for the near future as the entirety of Europe realized sanctions don't stop tanks. Is chink ammo any good?

 

[Invoke-Mimikatz]

Again, who exactly are you talking to? Just because some of us don't believe that Ukraine is going to win a war using nothing but pluckiness and a can-do attitude doesn't mean we're fans of Russia.

How many times does this have to be explained?

No one thinks Ukraine will win. People are just guessing how much it costs Russia to "win".

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

I don't want Russia to win, but I am looking forward to seeing twitter/reddit's reaction when they do.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Kupiansk

Thanks

 

[Feline Supremacist]

If they launch a nuke I would.

I don't recall asking you, unless you're Freya's sock or vice versa. Are you? Freya's sock I mean.

 

[Strix454]

Have the tomorrow negotiations confirmed to be real or just another disinfo campaign?

It was announced by the President of Ukraine. But as to how real it is or if it happens, there is no way to know.
They could change their minds at any time on either side.

 

[Richardface]

Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast)

readovka reports that this video is from kiev right now, russian forces apparently attacking

nitter.net

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Answer me, you're going to join the military to fight against the Evil Empire of Vlad the bad of Russia, correct?

Dude, you don't gotta personally stop a man breaking into someone's house to know he's a burglar.

Russia started it. You don't gotta personally join the army to try and kick his ass to acknowledge that.

 

[Gimmick Account]

I've read something about studies on using markers to track meme propagation and penetration. The "kyiv" thing could simply be that.
Also splits data so spelling it normally similarly becomes a propaganda analytics marker.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

Every time I think western virtue signaling nonsense can't get any worse...

What is wrong with people that as soon as some trend bullshit gets pushed by the media, they're out there waving flags and <checks notes> threatening to board a plane to join guerrilla fighters? These fucking retards literally don't care about their own country rotting away, in the case of shitlib types it's part of the religion (but then why care about another white-ish country?), for supposedly conservative types it's just embarrassing... like lol you're a subject of the globalist order already, your progeny is a minority in it's own generation.

I'm assuming that some of the pro-UA demonstrations in the US actually contain Ukrainians that immigrated here, which is it's own kind of joke. Ukraine is a shithole that you were desperate to leave and face it, you're not going back while the US offers a chance to make even a few extra dollars per year. That goes for pretty much every shitholian who emigrates. Put the flag down, retard. Multiculturalism on full display. Fully atomized individual humanoid units coalescing into nonsensical preference groups.

On another note, in my opinion this conflict, or what we see of it, sort of mirrors the general attitudes of Russians and Ukrainians vis a vis each other. There's really not that much ethnic rivalry there, from the Russian side it's mostly patronizing jokes about hohli and 'krim nash', but there's no resentment there, it's like poking fun at your goofy neighbor. Most Russians don't give a shit at all. From The Russian perspective it's purely geopolitics, more anti-western than anti-UA. I would argue this attitude can be detected in the actual invasion methods, which (so far as we know) are about as gentle as war allows. Contrast to Chechnya, an invasion against a rival ethnic group that is reviled by most Russians, and how they literally bombed the main city to smithereens and kicked the shit out of everything that moved.

Ukrainians are a little more divided, but on the whole they don't see Russians as monsters and so, so many of them are either of Russian extraction or have family there or whatever. There is a Ukrainian nationalist/partisan fringe, which has it's origins in pre-WWII times, and they're the ones who account for the 'patriotic' base that forms a support for more camera-friendly nationalistic fervor, such as it is. The rest of them don't so much hate Russians as they resent feeling like subjects to the Russian Federation, and this manifests as a more slavish and sullen form of resistance. Because of this dynamic I think that there will be some incidences of nastiness when partisan types get their chance to beat on the eternal Russian (something they've enjoyed doing for close to a century) but overall, the serious resistance will be limited in both scope and duration.

And yeah there ain't no "genocide" of Russian ethnics in Ukraine but serious discrimination might be another story. It wasn't unusual for Russian professionals to be denied work and housing in certain areas up through the 80's, and while I don't recall any firsthand accounts of more recent abuses, the Bandera types are still around - and if they were quiet for a while they probably escalated after the whole Maidan thing. These activities are perpetrated by the previously mentioned partisan types (some of whom are in local government then and now) and this discrimination is not really common among the general population, but it's also very real, just not something you hear baout on the news.

Fucking "Kyiv" is the dumbest shit I've seen in a while. It's true that "Kiev" isn't correct when pronounced by English speakers - because it's a fucking transliteration - but ain't nobody, not even tryhard NPR types, gonna be pronouncing "Kyiv" correctly either because the и́ in Ки́їв is impossible for anglos and the в(enis) is short and not a heavy lispy "V". Shit looks retarded in roman letters, like some indio Tuahuaticoxpl nonsense. The Russian-derived transliteration makes sense for English, far as I can tell in spoken Russian Киев is basically pronounced "Kyiv" anyway without the heavy YEH sound that English speakers add.

 

[WaveBreak]

Suits are shapewear. It’s deceitful wearing them.

not really, it's like meeting an industry standard which is a product of more than a 100 years of evolving culture

 

[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

Anyone else see the news trending on twitter that "Ukraine agrees to meet with Russian negotiators at Belarus border."?
https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/1497955492961865728

Yes, its been a at least six hours since that came out.

 

[mindlessobserver]

No one thinks Ukraine will win. People are just guessing how much it costs Russia to "win".

How are we defining "win"? Finland technically lost their war with the Soviet Union but nobody in their right mind calls it a win for the Soviets. If this war ends with Ukraine ceding Donbas and Crimea to Russia with no other preconditions is that a win for Russia?

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

Hey, Ukranis slavas

TRUST THE PLAN
Patriots in control
Trust Zelenski
20489301 secret dead russians
Connect the dots, tick tock
ghost sunflowers in the ass
WWEFAGGOTS

 

[Full Race Replay]

If they launch a nuke I would.

If they launch a nuke the whole war will just be everybody shooting nukes at each other until everybody loses.

 

[Herty]

Could be real or could be Ukrainian disinformation to pressure more help from Europe:

 

[Bananadana]

Imagine thinking a country with a literal government funded social credit system that can dictate where you live, and where can go is better because the government doesn't call you meanie words to your face.

Keep coping, shill. I'm sure Xi really appreciates it.

I dont see why you are getting overly defensive about this. I did not say that its better with a single word.
(And i will die on the "never heard anyone mutter Old chineese men" hill because that is objectively true.)

My post is clearly about how you are delusional if you think we dont live under authoritarianism just because the authorities are not (only) your government and because they mostly use soft instead of hard power to control us.
Just because they dont yet arrest you for shitposting (in most western places) does not mean
A) that everything is good and you are not allowed to point out bad things about society unless you are a chinkorussianmegashillreeeeee
and
B) that Its not going to get a lot worse and soon enough you will have a copy of that exact social credit system here.

This isnt the 60s anymore. The "leaders of the free world" only lead it by a hair and only because they know they cant stop being free too quickly without risking social stability.
Its this exact "look at how bad these guys are, we are still good, dont worry" complacency that caused the downfall of the west and im just tired of playing the emperors new clothes about freedom i dont have just to feel superior to the chinks online.

 

[Disc]

Yes it is. It's meaningless platitudes that mean nothing unless Ukraine, alone, fights off the Russians.

A gun doesn't help the cause unless it's paired with someone who knows how to use it.

Ammunition will theoretically be the most helpful, I don't have a lot of faith in any quick ukranian militia, though.

Or, in other words, guns don't kill invading blyats...

 

[Captain Manning]

Still significant. According to Social media the Ukrainian army fled the town anyway today heading southwest

It could be because the town isn't militarily significant. If you try to hold everything, you'll hold nothing.

No one thinks Ukraine will win. People are just guessing how much it costs Russia to "win".

This. Without outside intervention, Russia will win. The question is how bad of a black eye will they get.