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About time CoD takes a break. I guess they started on MWII before the acquisition and/or during Vanguard.
May as well be MW3 to finish it.
Call of Duty Thread - Potential return to form? Or nothing but cope on the horizon? You decide!
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I dunno why they are surprised by Vanguard being a failure. COD WW2 was just a few years ago and it was a flop too. I just don't think most gamers want to go back to WW2 after playing current year games especially when we had like almost two decades straight of WW2 shooters.
I think where they're really stung by Vanguard is with Warzone, it feels like it takes a lot longer to find a match since it switched over to WW2, and Warzone probably makes the most money for them.
I think where they're really stung by Vanguard is with Warzone, it feels like it takes a lot longer to find a match since it switched over to WW2, and Warzone probably makes the most money for them.
iceteayo
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They said it themselves investors felt the franchise is cannibalizing itself with Warzone existing and it’s true.
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at least WW2 they had way more justification, it was roughly a decade since the last time they used the setting and an entire console generation. Plus it would have been the first time WW2 was tackled on that gen's consoles. it was literally an era a huge chunk of gamers never got to play.
Vanguard is awful all over, the destructible environments never really matter as much as devs wanted them to. it takes so long to unlock gun attachments that most don't bother.
the end of match bullshit takes up way too much time for little payoff (50xp wow, the whole match gives everyon 2k+)
And i'll 100% agree with Warzone. it also has way too many modes too for how little the playbase seems, i swear multiple times i'd leave a match and basically have to wait for the match i played to end because there was no other match (on the planet) going on for that mode. I'll admit plunder's original changes were cool at first, but no one reaching the goal after 30 minutes is sort of obnoxious. and most of it is because of the lack of cash, so it would be extremely easy to reach an unwinnable scenario roughly 1/3rd of the way into the match. especially because players could bank their cash, so by the end no one would have any on any of them.
they did say they fixed it this season but i highly doubt it. just the Vanguard changes in general are fucking awful, the map is much larger because of the terrain differences, Ukraine was way more flat whereas the island has bizarre terrain, on the flip side i could count on one hand the amount of times i've been sniped. where as that was the smartest mode in Ukraine.
the map being huge wouldn't be too bad except its much bigger than the 150+ players need, it reminds me of how in fortnite you can get into the last 25 people without running into anyone, and not intentionally either. the first 3 circles are basically a waste of time at this point. unless you're intentionally being a douche they won't matter. The only good part is that you can't really out run it like you were able to in Ukraine.
the vehicles are fucking awful to drive now too, it used to be a fun easy way to traverse the map, now they all have roughly the max speed as someone with a sprint powerup.
honestly i've sort of fallen out of love with the franchise altogether. what few maps Vanguard has are blatant copies of older better maps, or just shit. i honestly don't think i'll put much time into playing this year either.
Vanguard was a terrible idea all over, i know they had no real place to go, but i honestly think something focusing on say the African Great War would have been cool. we have the Cold War and Modern War but no one focus'es on the wars outside of that.
Plus it would have had a great marketing campaign, "no US, No Russia, all War" a true conflict that wouldn't have anything to do with white people could have been spun into a cool thing PR wise. And they wouldn't have needed the goofy diversity because its fucking africa. it would have also been better for Warzone overall, because i highly doubt they'll be able to fit the current island into the plot of the next MW game.
everyone is on the same page here. even Battefield got fucked with its attempt. Why would you purchase a yearly game when you can play Warzone for free, it even had the MP bullshit at least one week a month. seriously why play 8v8 MW when you could play 50v50 instead? or payload or multiple other modes.
the problem is that if they have Warzone why do they need 4 studios making shooters, and thats the real rub. they don't. so that means layoffs. Thats really what Vanguard was about, preventing those.
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battlefield 1 one of the most selling battlefields, imo it's less about the timeframe but the quality if the game. no one's gonna play it if it blows, WW2 or not.
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NGL another thing that proves this franchise shit the bed is that they abandoned verdansk literally months before shit popped off in Real Life exactly where it was set. I already am feeling nostalgia pains, imagine how cool of a talking point it would be to play a map in a literal WarZone while a war is going on in it.
the crates of weapons and cash all over the place is also realistic now too.
the crates of weapons and cash all over the place is also realistic now too.
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Yeah, but the cash is all worthless rubles, so why risk your life for them?
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because $12000 lets you know the location of everyone in the city. then you find the idiots hiding out in the farms and fuck them.
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The last good call of duty game was unironically modern warfare reboot in 2019. The game needed to change and shut down the I run in the middle of the field crowd.
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I know that Warzone has "lore"/a story but I'd really like for them to take it back to Verdansk for the next COD (they can explain it away by saying there was another time warp or something). Caldera is just so big and annoying to get around that they had to steal the fast travel balloons from Apex Legends. Plus Verdansk will always be comfy since I was playing Warzone for hours every day because it came out right when corona started.
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that too, the corona stay at home happened right when Warzone came out, so most people put a shitload of hours into it, memorized the map, with Caldera they made the map bigger and more annoying to get around, and most of it is empty space, plus the matches seem to have gotten much longer, they pissed away a lot of goodwill locking loadouts until after the first circle too. they should have done the opposite and made the map much smaller, Rebirth Island sized, imagine having a shitload of those islands in rotation instead of a big map, it would help when it came to other modes too. instead of forcing modes to fit the map like in Verdansk they could have the islands specifically tailored to maps.
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Even so, MW2019 has some problems. Its storytelling, Warzone, SBMM, subpar map design, and conflicting tone with Activision's monetization.
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MW2019's maps were a breath of fresh air after Treyarch's cookie-cutter MLG GAMING BRO flat, 3-lane maps with zero cover. There were some misses in the collection, but I overall appreciated having some variety in the design again.
Because the sort of person who would expect it to fail is no longer allowed in the room during planning. Vanguard is an absolutely brain-dead game that's woke to the point of defiantly daring the player to point out how absolutely fucking stupid it is. There's a huge gulf between "yeah, no, Russians didn't have those weapons in 1968," and, "WW2 was actually won by a secret LGBTQ+ diversity squad!" And, of course, on top of that, the maps aren't even good.
SHG was already disliked by the COD player base, and the entire presentation of Vanguard made it pretty clear that they were aggressively going to not give a shit about this one's quality.
Because the sort of person who would expect it to fail is no longer allowed in the room during planning. Vanguard is an absolutely brain-dead game that's woke to the point of defiantly daring the player to point out how absolutely fucking stupid it is. There's a huge gulf between "yeah, no, Russians didn't have those weapons in 1968," and, "WW2 was actually won by a secret LGBTQ+ diversity squad!" And, of course, on top of that, the maps aren't even good.
SHG was already disliked by the COD player base, and the entire presentation of Vanguard made it pretty clear that they were aggressively going to not give a shit about this one's quality.
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I forget which operator it is but one of the Vanguard operators' profile claims they fought in WW1 in "1930" or some shit. They were so rushed to make sure blacks, Indians, and gay people were represented in WW2 they don't even know when major historical events took place.
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I remember when the worst crime COD committed against history was having 1980s NATO weapons in Soviet hands in 1969.
iceteayo
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Verdansk is not a perfect map imo Downtown circles while tense were cancerous and clearing 14 floor sky scrappers was not fun. Caldera however is odd to me becasue they included a lot shit that would have been perfect in verdansk the gas cans on the grapple lines for instance would have been perfect for Verdansk campers, the new gas bomb again another great deterrent, and the new advanced UAV contacts.
Overall, Caldera is nothing more than the second map curse all BRs get I hate getting optimism but if they can add a new Rebirth map it can hold me over till MW2. For MW2 I hope they keep what made MW19 fun and dont kneel to the "muh bad maps arent 3 lane" or "add ninja as a perk" Vanguards sound is fucked and its 100% on purpose at this point becasue you cannot hear fucking foot steps its annoying.
Destruction is good, the added mechanics like mounted movement are good, and some minor QOL but the overall setting and minor changes they made have Vanguard be a subpar experience even though it should be great as its a reskinned MW19.
Overall, Caldera is nothing more than the second map curse all BRs get I hate getting optimism but if they can add a new Rebirth map it can hold me over till MW2. For MW2 I hope they keep what made MW19 fun and dont kneel to the "muh bad maps arent 3 lane" or "add ninja as a perk" Vanguards sound is fucked and its 100% on purpose at this point becasue you cannot hear fucking foot steps its annoying.
Destruction is good, the added mechanics like mounted movement are good, and some minor QOL but the overall setting and minor changes they made have Vanguard be a subpar experience even though it should be great as its a reskinned MW19.
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It's amazing how for the better part of a year people were bitching that they stuck with Verdansk into Cold War, and now we're not even 3 months(?) into the new map and people are wanting to go back to Verdansk.
They fucked it up that bad, huh?
They fucked it up that bad, huh?
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I would say it did more things right. Opening and closing doors online, being able to properly camp, honestly I enjoyed the new map design.
But the story and warzone was meh.
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Disagree, MW2019 discouraged the run-and-gun mentality of COD by encouraging camping. Piccadilly being a prime example. The hidden SBMM measures in all playlists does not help to solve this issue. '
That's not to say MW2019 didn't do anything right. The maps are aesthetically pleasing and full of character. They are just improperly built. The free maps approach was long overdue.
Verdansk had more personality than the previous concerte jungle.