Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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Russia defaulted on its sovereign debt in 1998. If the sanctions are bad enough for the central bank, it might lead to default again, only this time without access to international finance to rebuild their economy.

So yes, possible. But we really don't know.

Can't default on sovereign debt if you don't have any

 
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Idk if this is the case with hohol Nazi's but with Russian ones this is how it works

Germans were the master race.

Russians beat them.

Therefore, Russians are the master race.

You are mixing up Soviet Union and Russia, WWII wasn't all Russians fighting and Russians isn't an ethnicity. You could be slinty eyed Yakut or Buryat and still be Russian.

Before Peter I, "russia" was called Kingdom of Muscovia and when Ukraine was a nation Moscow as a settlement did not even exist.
 
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For me, its the Cuck of Kiev.
 
I don't object to it personally, I just find it foolishly ironic that a person of the Slavic races would idolize a regime that believed them to be racially inferior and in fact favored their extermination.

Russian neo-Nazis exist too, and they're even more ludicrous because their country lost over 20 million people to the real Nazis.

But seriously I understand the goal is to troll the vodka monkeys, I've seen Ukrainian troops drawing Nazi symbolism on their helmets to do this.
The whole meme of "Ukraine = Good Guys of Democracy™️" is gonna absolve any wrongdoing on their part, because they stood up to the Big Bad Fascist Putler.

Just like Stalin gets a free pass, despite killing more than Hitler. Hey, at least Stalin wasn't racist!
 
I'm not all that familiar with it, but Clark was a known fuck up.
I remember madonna having a huge fundraiser dinner at her home.. She had been in loudon for a few years at that point, but she came back and told the plebs that wesley clark was a find choice to rplace W in 2004.


*clark's family was mostly jewish and immigrated from... belarus.
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No paid it off years ago on the back of oil money

Seems to be a little bit of trademark economist weasel-wording here, from my reading. It states that public debt fallen to zero, but only in the sense that they have enough cash to pay everything at once if the creditors suddenly demand it.

Which I guess still counts as zero debt, but we'll definitely see it tested this week.
 
I don't quite get it, massive currency devaluation is a death blow to a country reliant on imports or with a high debt since they have to pay for mports/debt servicing with an increasingly worthless currency but Russia is a massive net exporter, their main export isn't sanctioned, and Russia is flush with cash and has no net debt

I mean anything they want to import is now going to double in price which is pretty fucking harmful but also all their exports are now worth a lot more in terms of domestic consumption
Let me be real for a second, Any Russia bros out there should either empty their bank accounts and purchase goods right now or put your money in crypto. Keep some rubles in your pocket. Because shit is gonna hyper inflate, even after Russia does what it can to stem the bleeding.
 
Do they not have debt, though?
They have debt but their current giant pile of foreign reserves far exceeds the value of it. So theoretically they could pay it off with that.

We're kinda in uncharted territory here though because the way we think of sovereign debt and foreign reserves in a post-WW2 world don't really make sense when you start getting into the territory of central banks declaring each others' assets invalid and other such stuff.

What happens if all the foreign currencies they hold get declared invalid? Can we even do that? What if Russia just bites the bullet and says all debt owned to foreign countries that have invalidated their currencies for Russians no longer exist?

We don't have the ability to properly conceptualize financial deglobalization and what its effects are. Just that it'll probably be bad all around.
 
many people are saying this is gonna be worse than the 90’s for Russia. can anyone with a firm understanding of economics in this thread elaborate? economics isn’t really my strong suit but twitter is ofc hyping it up like it’s going to be really really bad.
Well its defiantly going to be bad in the short term. However that leaked Russian propaganda article made it clear they are moving towards a "Multipolar world" and intend to decouple from the West and its institutions. Most likely China, India, and others are working on backroom deals with Russia as we shitpost here, while they do pubic displays of condemnation and leveling show-sanctions that won't amount to much.

Both Russia's government and the population is used to sanctions and a bad economy. The population knows how to survival and tolerate economic collapses like this. The frenzied NPC propaganda and response only enforces Russia's own propaganda its aiming at its own people. But the oligarchs are not going to be pleased they can't go to NBA games or shop at Tiffany's anymore, and they can really start some shit if Putin's grip is not firm enough.

The real loser here is Germany and Europe, who aren't going to get easy natural gas and other resources. Anyone who invested in the Nord 2 pipeline just got 0% return on their investment, effectively burning piles of billions of dollars on fire for a useless steel tube.
 
You are mixing up Soviet Union and Russia, WWII wasn't all Russians fighting and Russians isn't an ethnicity. You could be slinty eyed Yakut or Buryat and still be Russian.

Before Peter I, "russia" was called Kingdom of Muscovia and when Ukraine was a nation Moscow as a settlement did not even exist.

It's cool you are copying Iraqi propaganda from 2003 when they kept austistically pointing out that Baghdad was a metropolis when London and Washington were both muddy fields. Who gives a shit.
 
many people are saying this is gonna be worse than the 90’s for Russia. can anyone with a firm understanding of economics in this thread elaborate? economics isn’t really my strong suit but twitter is ofc hyping it up like it’s going to be really really bad.
The 90s was a clusterfuck on a lot of levels for Russia. For starters, the Soviet Union collapsed in no small part because a very significant portion of the population got sick of the propaganda (especially in the wake of Chernobyl), and realizing that Soviet wage and price controls had resulted in them being vastly overpaid for their labor, people started effectively retiring at the age of 30 in droves. When everything came tumbling down and all those restrictions went away, the Russian economy went the way of Weimar overnight trying to compensate for the absurd amount of currency floating around in bank accounts, meaning that if you didn't have those saving stocked up, you were screwed. On top of this, the Russian industry, after spending the last 70 years accustomed to doing the bare minimum of work required to not get shot suddenly found itself having to compete not only with other companies, but also a mass influx of Western goods, leading to the shrinking of domestic industry as businesses failed to make the transition and making it even harder to find a job. Slap a nice dollop of national demoralization and rampant corruption on top, and you have one of the most impressive shit sundaes in human history.
 
many people are saying this is gonna be worse than the 90’s for Russia. can anyone with a firm understanding of economics in this thread elaborate? economics isn’t really my strong suit but twitter is ofc hyping it up like it’s going to be really really bad.
Russia in the 1990's was put through what the Americans called "Shock Therapy". American and Western economists advised the Yeltsin government to sell off former Soviet government assets and remove market subsidies. The rouble, already suffering crashed, former party officials bought up assets with the worthless roubles and became the first Oligarchs and prices for gas, food and goods spiked as inflation soured. It was literally the Weimar republic for Russia, a hellish period in it's history. It got so bad that one of the candidates for the new national anthem in 1998 was a spin on the Tsarist Anthem called "God, save us all"


And then, just when the Chechen War's aftermath, massive social issues, regional separatism and a Weimar-tier economy looked like it was going to kill Russia, a little manlet from St. Petersburg became Prime Minister.


People in the west don't appreciate or recognize this, they don't understand how Putler can actually still have majority support after all this time. And the reason is simple, he literally saved Russia from imploding. Look at this chart of Russian GDP growth, for example, or Russia's military and diplomatic moves since he came to power in 1999.

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Give the manlet some credit, he pulled Russia back from the abyss and give the country it's pride back after it's "Decade of Humiliation".
 
The whole meme of "Ukraine = Good Guys of Democracy™️" is gonna absolve any wrongdoing on their part, because they stood up to the Big Bad Fascist Putler.

Just like Stalin gets a free pass, despite killing more than Hitler. Hey, at least Stalin wasn't racist!
Now now, Stalin being a good old Georgian boy hated other Georgians with extreme prejudice.
 
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They have debt but their current giant pile of foreign reserves far exceeds the value of it. So theoretically they could pay it off with that.

We're kinda in uncharted territory here though because the way we think of sovereign debt and foreign reserves in a post-WW2 world don't really make sense when you start getting into the territory of central banks declaring each others' assets invalid and other such stuff.

What happens if all the foreign currencies they hold get declared invalid? Can we even do that? What if Russia just bites the bullet and says all debt owned to foreign countries that have invalidated their currencies for Russians no longer exist?

We don't have the ability to properly conceptualize financial deglobalization and what its effects are. Just that it'll probably be bad all around.

yeah defaulting on debt is usually when the borrower can't pay, not when the lender declares they will refuse any money in repayment from the borrower because why the fuck would they, we are in uncharted territory
 
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