Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[DJ Grelle]

I've been following a university (Catholic University of Leuven) livestream on the Ukraine situation and the professor (who has connections w/ Brussels and the EU government) had some interesting things to mention:
- Threat perception of Russia by the EU government has skyrocketed from "petulant temper tantrum" to "actual, existential danger"
- Ukraine is being considered for a fast track EU membership (they've been trying to join since the 90ies)
- The EU has been implementing the thermonuclear equivalent of economic sanctions. The standards of living in Russia will collapse.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

It's been 4 days. No one can honestly say the map hasn't changed day to day.

Nobody even knows what the real map is, they're just guesses.

 

[Übertroon]

 

[Hackallier]

With heroes like these, there is no way Ukraine can lose!

Spoiler: Heroes of Ukraine

 

[Vindeo]

FFS, don't even dare compare modern warfare with freaking WW1.

i’m merely saying that it’s moving in a manner similar, slow, no gains, etc.

i’m not drawing equivalencies.

 

[Happy Fish]

I'm actually really curious about the report that the Ukraine is trying to join the EU. I've been convinced they are representing their interests, but for them to desperately throw that out in war means they aren't seeing the backing they expected... Will the EU go to war on their behalf or hang them out to dry?

 

[3-2-1836]

Also, while I hate Globohomo as much as the next guy and appreciate Russia's based stance on outlawing homos from media, the Annexation of Crimea was the first time since the 1972 Indian-Sino war that territory changed hands due to Military action*. And that's a worrying fucking precident.

*Ok also 2008 Georgia but Russia removed its troops and never professed a claim to the territory, only to protecting russian ethnics/interests.
Also ignoring the Iran/Iraq war because the borders went back to pre-war lines at the conclusion.
Ignoring Iraq/Kuwait for the same reason.




They were in deed. Left asses in their wind while the US fucked up their convoy so hard Putin didn't step to Trump again.



tl;dr: It is the ultimate shape-up-ship-out move. If they continue to fuck up, you can deliver military justice to them. If you think prison sucks, military prison sucks even harder.
The real problem is when you use your convict units as anything more than ditch-diggers or cannon fodder.

Georgia 2008 the Russia and the two republics are based on the original borders, Ossetia's borders were drawn in 1922, meanwhile Abkhazia's borders date back to 1883 and was initially independent of Georgia in 1921 and originally petitioned to join the RSFSR

 

[polyester]

Furthermore, "but muh Cuban Missile Crisis/Monroe Doctrine interventionism" is whataboutism. If it was wrong for America to saber-rattle against the Soviet Union and support rebel groups and movements [...]

But it wasn't wrong for the US to consider the Cuban missile base an unacceptable threat to national security.

You can argue that Russia exaggerates the threat that Ukraine joining NATO would pose to it, and you can definitely argue that none of this justifies Putin's decision to start an all-out war instead of resolving the problem using other means.
But simply shutting down historical comparisons with "muh whataboutism!" doesn't cut it, IMO.

 

[Wy4M]

I know the PR game they're trying to play, but the Ukraine government LARPing as a 15yo black tumblr girl is so cringe.

I think it's some random sperg who noticed that the username Ukraine was still available on twatter.

 

[Aidan]

Nobody even knows what the real map is, they're just guesses.

Sure but every day Russia has advanced somewhere. They have gained ground and are right outside of (and apparently sometimes inside of) Kiev. 4 days ago they were no where.

This sort of bullshitting about the reality of the situation is so weird to me. It isn't going to help Ukraine any to pretend Russia isn't present and dangerous.

 

[IKOL]

Indian Genocider Kitboga calls out fake footage on tiktok.

already posted, mate.

 

[Captain Wetbeard]

But it wasn't wrong for the US to consider the Cuban missile base an unacceptable threat to national security.

You can argue that Russia exaggerates the threat that Ukraine joining NATO would pose to it, and you can definitely argue that none of this justifies Putin's decision to start an all-out war instead of resolving the problem using other means.
But simply shutting down historical comparisons with "muh whataboutism!" doesn't cut it, IMO.

Been seeing a lot of burgercucks who aren't willing to view their enemy's perspective lately, which is why burgerland is politically collapsing in general tbh

 

[Ted_Logan]

So is the Russian dude gotta nuke some fag countries or what?

 

[Happy Fish]

Wew lad
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Ooh they've been hit hard by globalist propaganda. This is painful.

 

[Saleh]

i’m merely saying that it’s moving in a manner similar, slow, no gains, etc.

i’m not drawing equivalencies.

lol, you should see how the eastern front and the Romanian front went for the Russians and the Romanians, it wasn't trench warfare.

It was a war of movement.

 

[Ghostse]

What about Vietnam?

They took the south.

I left off that and Yemeni reunification because they were the results of protracted Civil War instigated by external powers.

I did forget that while East Timor eventually got its independence, it was invaded in 1975. So that should be 1975.

 

[Tism the Return]

So is the Russian dude gotta nuke some fag countries or what?

I wish.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

Sure but every day Russia has advanced somewhere. They have gained ground and are right outside of (and apparently sometimes inside of) Kiev. 4 days ago they were no where.

This sort of bullshitting about the reality of the situation is so weird to me. It isn't going to help Ukraine any to pretend Russia isn't present and dangerous.

I agree, my point is we can't look at the map and conclude "they aren't advancing" based on that.

 

[Wy4M]

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1498253559443476482

 

[3-2-1836]

I left off that and Yemeni reunification because they were the results of protracted Civil War instigated by external powers.

I did forget that while East Timor eventually got its independence, it was invaded in 1975. So that should be 1975.

South Sudan?