Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Freezard]

I've been thinking about the potential of something ugly happening that, since I just don't have the time to trawl the latest news or every post without completely fucking over everything else I have going on, I don't think I've seen talked about much. There's been much about the Slavic Volksturm, and how it's a generally short sighted idea made out of desperation to fill the gaps in the line (presumably the rear, if any commanders have any sense, so that proper troops can be freed up to fight where needed more), but the side effect of using civilian militias is that you'll have the other guys getting really wary of civilians where they normally wouldn't be.

To get to the point faster, I'm thinking of a development possibly occurring that is similar to the Second Sino-Japanese War, before it got rolled up into the greater Second World War. The Chinese and Japanese were already in an unspoken mutual agreement that nobody was taking any prisoners since practically the word go, but the situation for civilians became infamously bad as part of another few factors. One of them being the Chinese army practice of, when retreating, to strip off their uniforms and retreat under the guise of being noncombatants until they reached friendly territory and could reorganize. When the Japanese started seeing this, and treating wayward civilians as simply military units in disguise...well, we know how that ended up.

Now obviously the Russians and Ukies' relationship with one another is nothing at all like the Japanese and the Chinese, but I can't help but think that mass arming of civilians is going to result in a completely avoidable large scale atrocity (much like how this war is happening at all, in my completely uneducated view, because of long term failures of diplomacy), if it hasn't already. I don't mean small incidents where somebody shoots up an ambulance because they're a jumpy retard or indirect incidents where some civilians get caught in an artillery barrage because you're shelling an urban target and that just happens no matter who you are, I'm talking history lecture bold text post-war monument level fuckup.

Now despite my willingness to talk at length on the subject my actual knowledge of history and warfare is at a level of what can be considered "enthusiastic hobbyist" or "developmentally delayed urban youth" so I'm hopefully wrong about this, or the reporting of arming civilians is massively overstated and is only a relatively local decision, but I can't help but have a bad feeling.

 

[Meat Target]

I remember people memeing during the Iran drama that poor white men are sent to die in wars for the rich and everyone else.

An idea they are now beating their Beyond Meat to.

 

[Nobunaga]

So when are we starting to make our own freedom vodka like the country full of idiots that we are

 

[mudwogg]

What's even crazier is we're seeing the same types of rhetoric from the left that you saw after 9/11 under Bush. A lot of these fucking retards were growing up when that shit happened (and probably still appose it to this day) but are literally fucking repeating it. We are doomed to repeat the same mistakes until they end in nuclear Armageddon.

It's also amazing how quickly the left has become bigger nationalists than the right over night without suffering any whiplash. These asshats have no self awareness, I'm starting to believe the NPC meme might be literally true. These people must not actually have a soul.

The amount of savagery they exhibit as well. That is the one reason why I never believe anyone who claims to be a "decent person" or brags to be some "super fan".

This era of technology and easy-access information never cured stupidity. It made more people than ever before take things for granted.

 

[LMFAOForgotPw]

>Blogpost
>“Kiwisplain”
>Retarded r*ddit niggers
>/pol/acks

Fuck sake

 

[BradCarter]

Kiev, which is totally not under siege guys.

 

[Mysterious Girlfriend X]

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There's a lot of suffering happening in the world just because this vile hag didn't get what she wanted.

 

[Fcret]

Because SWIFT uses dollars. It's like every other "international" system that ends up being a Washington proxy because it's an extension of the US banking system.

This. All the other big trading blocs normally offload their savings glut onto the US financial system and the US is the only economy willing and able to absorb such massive trade imbalances.

A SWIFT denominated in Euros wouldn't work because the relative value of the Euro would rise and German exporters would find themselves struggling to compete on price.

 

[Fougaro]

Ny post doxed property owned by Russian oligarchs:

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But if the Farms, the /cow/boys and /baph/ do it it's literally another Kristallnacht.

 

[Meat Target]

So when are we starting to make our own freedom vodka like the country full of idiots that we are

Vodka is rubbing alcohol. Real 'Muricans drink real 'Murican bourbon made by SOF veterans.



(No seriously, Leadslingers is good shit).

 

[Kane Lives]

So when are we starting to make our own freedom vodka like the country full of idiots that we are

Not even surprised this exist, tbh.

 

[Fivehead]

Ukraine may lose the actual war, but the important thing is that they win the Twitter war.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

It's been fun, but I won't have time to contribute much to this thread anymore. Therefore, I'll summarize my thoughts before I become more passive.

I personally find myself leaning strongly towards Ukraine in this conflict, but not for reasons you might expect. Many people on this thread seem to be so obsessed with social media and some enmity against certain odious groups and politicians that they can't see why anyone would be able to find themselves on the same side as the Western global elite.

I for one first came to this thread on the 19th. This is when I personally felt it was inevitable that a major war was going to start. This both fascinated and terrified me. Not because I felt any specific sympathy for Ukraine or its corrupt government, but because I could see parallels to history for my own country.

Ukraine started out as an autonomous part of a greater empire, the Soviet Union, and slowly developed its own fledgeling national identity. This identity is still young and not fully developed, but it still exists as something separate from Russia. Now it has had 30 years to create its own independent identity, customs and nationhood that make it out to be something unique.

My country, Finland, has had a very similar history. First, we were Swedes, then an independent Grand Duchy of Russia that allowed for the creation of a new national identity, and finally a country independent of Russia. We too had 30 years to develop a national identity as an independent nation before our old overlord came demanding us to return to the fold. Ukraine now faces a situation similar to what Finland faced in the Winter War.

Despite being a full-blooded Chukhna, I have always had a deep respect and adoration for Russia. I have even described myself as a Russophile. Since I was a child, I've had the chance to travel in Russia and always felt a deep spiritual and emotional connection to it. Something that is probably not too far from the love affair that people like Sir Enoch Powell and Yuri Bezmenov had with India. I learned (but never mastered) the language, made many great friends and even briefly considered converting to Orthodoxy, the religion of my East-Karelian ancestors. I felt that despite its authoritarianism, Russia was a strong and patriotic nation that would be able to hold its own in the world. With time, I thought, Russia could open up, but keep its strong national identity. Something that very few countries in this world are able to achieve. Something that could serve as an example to the entire world, including the West.

Now, I feel that that dream has been destroyed. Russia has made itself an international pariah. Any support for Russians or Russian identity will be faced with utter hostility from the West. All this while Russia destroys itself economically turning itself, seemingly intentionally, into a failed state. I do not see the current Russian government lasting for more than a few years. After that, there will be a new order in Russia that could turn it into something similar to the Western globalized states that lack any sense of unity of national spirit. The globalists will win in Russia and they will not need to fire a single shot.

I support Ukraine because I feel that every nation that is willing to fight for its independence has earned the right to exist.
I support Ukraine because the only way I see Russia retaining even a shred of itself is if has to reconsider its options and retreat.
I support Ukraine because I love Russia, and I hate seeing what it has become.

despite (rather because of ) the powerlevel, well said. I still remember growing up in the 90s and despite the abysmal failures of Yeltsin hoping that, now that it's gone through its 'communist' phase like my own country did once, that Russia could find its own way in this world that's different from that of the West and also different from all of its previous historical misery that it had gone through in the 18th and 19th centuries...

...instead those who want to grasp at power would prefer the entire vast nation repeats those exact same mistakes so long as they get to be the ones 'in charge' of it.

from what I see they will, unfortunately, remain in charge long enough to bring Ukraine to its fold. but after that it will only be a matter of time before they go through another horrendous internal crucible, like the October revolution, and disintegrate once again, releasing what we now call 'Ukraine'. I just hope they come out of the other side with something brighter than this entire region has produced for the past millennia or so. or at least, something that doesn't make it the suicide champ of the world anymore, like it is now.

 

[ThatDumbPhilosopher]

But if the Farms, the /cow/boys and /baph/ do it it's literally another Kristallnacht.

Because we aren't shilling for the government, it's considered wrong-think.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Who drinks alcohol when you can huff gas? SMDH

 

[Mothra1988]

I have a hunch it will be more than that and eventually a certain set of individuals will make small fortunes appropriating these properties or given these properties by the government. This whole thing of confiscating personal property without any
kind of legal due process is a real innovation in United States law. They have now have a system where the president can just sign an order and take people's stuff in an completely arbitrary way. Its the next big innovation and its as bad
constitutionally as the summary execution by drones anywhere in the world policy.

Are the people/entities in question even US citizens/entities to begin with? That's what was fucked up with what Trudeau was doing. They were going after citizens that just had a beef with the government. I wouldn't have a problem, on the other hand, if the US just took all the farm land China has been trying to gobble up back from them, because they aren't citizens and fuck them and their shitty angles.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Good. Because that was seriously the most repugnant, draconian thing they did and was completely unjustified under the circumstances. They would have kept them if they hadn't looked absolutely horrible for doing that.

They may have realized that trucks are in the supply chain to the Ubers that bring their meals.

So it will illogical as fuck when you see, e.g., photo from killing a shitty Russian by angry mob like 1699 adn fell bad for that poor thing.

You need to brush up on that ESL

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Welcome to page 1234.

1, 2, 3, 4
The best way to kill Kiwi morale is Ukraine themed furry vore.

 

[Fivehead]

Yo what the heck? Ukranian hair grows fast!

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I've been thinking about the potential of something ugly happening that, since I just don't have the time to trawl the latest news or every post without completely fucking over everything else I have going on, I don't think I've seen talked about much. There's been much about the Slavic Volksturm, and how it's a generally short sighted idea made out of desperation to fill the gaps in the line (presumably the rear, if any commanders have any sense, so that proper troops can be freed up to fight where needed more), but the side effect of using civilian militias is that you'll have the other guys getting really wary of civilians where they normally wouldn't be.

To get to the point faster, I'm thinking of a development possibly occurring that is similar to the Second Sino-Japanese War, before it got rolled up into the greater Second World War. The Chinese and Japanese were already in an unspoken mutual agreement that nobody was taking any prisoners since practically the word go, but the situation for civilians became infamously bad as part of another few factors. One of them being the Chinese army practice of, when retreating, to strip off their uniforms and retreat under the guise of being noncombatants until they reached friendly territory and could reorganize. When the Japanese started seeing this, and treating wayward civilians as simply military units in disguise...well, we know how that ended up.

Now obviously the Russians and Ukies' relationship with one another is nothing at all like the Japanese and the Chinese, but I can't help but think that mass arming of civilians is going to result in a completely avoidable large scale atrocity (much like how this war is happening at all, in my completely uneducated view, because of long term failures of diplomacy), if it hasn't already. I don't mean small incidents where somebody shoots up an ambulance because they're a jumpy retard or indirect incidents where some civilians get caught in an artillery barrage because you're shelling an urban target and that just happens no matter who you are, I'm talking history lecture bold text post-war monument level fuckup.

Now despite my willingness to talk at length on the subject my actual knowledge of history and warfare is at a level of what can be considered "enthusiastic hobbyist" or "developmentally delayed urban youth" so I'm hopefully wrong about this, or the reporting of arming civilians is massively overstated and is only a relatively local decision, but I can't help but have a bad feeling.

I don't think the arming of civilians is so much to help right now in open battle. Rather it's an open threat on what will happen if they are occupied. Daily hit and run attacks and all that. Though you are right, all insurgencies involve the occupying army committing atrocities, whether they are in self defense or frustration.