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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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it's quite possible that an attempt at a European invasion could turn Fulda Gap into Fulda Gape for them unless they devoted 100% of their forces and logistics to it.
Even assuming Russia could commit 100% of their forces to it, and not just their actual realistic forces, but their on paper theoretical maximum strength, they still wouldn't come close. Their ability to properly exploit the gap was arguable during the cold war, and that was with the might of the Red Army, which shits all over their current one, backed by the might of the Pact, and with them sitting practically on top of it. If they escalated to an all out ground invasion of Europe now they'd be lucky to get halfway through Poland.

I've said it before and I'll say it again the West developed the hard counter to massed armour assaults, tank plinking, during the Gulf and they've spent the last 30 years perfecting both the doctrine, and the tech to carry it out. Moreover any attempt to invade the rest of Europe would entail thousands upon thousands of square miles of logistics trains and supplies and does anyone think an air force that still hasn't neutralised the ukranians entirely could come lose to defending that?

Honestly I am carious what did Pitin expect the response of invading Ukraine was going to be form other countries?
Probably the same usual ineffective sanction bullshit we usually try, I don't think he was expecting us to go as far as we did like cutting him outta SWIFT and shit. I also don't think he was expecting the war to go on as long as it has. He almost certainly figured he could take a few financial hits in the short term, collapse the Ukrainians fairly quickly, and then try to negotiate a compromise with the West.
 
We can only hope it'll work, Russian civilians would need to be 20x as pissed off as BLM Riots of 2020 to make a dent before OMON cleans them off the streets and oligarchs, well, idk if people noticed but a lot of countries that did sanction Russia asked for sanctions to omit luxury goods, oligarchs are rich enough they won't have to care for a long while.

Thought Putin reportedly did forbid them from leaving Russia going as far as taking their jets, they're pissed off for sure but it'll take almost all of them to actually get Putin replaced, I'm sure a lot of money will need to change hands from to Oligarchs to Russian Military Commanders. West needs to start nationalizing anything and everything Oligarchs and their families own fast and while west talks the talk we'll see about walking the walk there as catering to those fucks is very lucrative for western elites.
This morning Switzerland abandoned it's centuries old neutrality, supported Ukraine and locked down Oligarch assets. This afternoon the NASDAQ froze all Russian companies and stocks and may be locking out Russian traders. The Russian economy is getting North Korea'd overnight with the bulk of the pressure being applied to the Oligarch's. I don't think any of them were expecting anything like this. Certainly not this fast.

In a related note this is sending a certain message to China's ultra rich. Especially the Generals. Xi may see oportunity with the world distracted. But his Generals like their ill gotten gains.
 
You don't need to be an advocate for US military intervention/adventuring to think that Putin overestimated the capabilities of his forces.

I don't doubt that there are incidents that are faked/embellished/exaggerated, but there are a few things that I think are well-established enough:

  1. Russia invaded Ukraine, via both their own borders and through Belarus, after a significant military buildup at the borders.
  2. Russia's justification is the alleged imminent genocide of Russian-speaking groups in eastern Ukraine by the supposedly neo-Nazi government of Ukraine, which is led by a Jew who is originally from a Russian-speaking background. They have stated that they intend to capture and "de-nazify" the government in Kiev.
  3. Around a week in, and there is no evidence of Russia having gotten into Kiev, despite it being fairly close to the Belarusian border.
  4. Russia has begun making unusually aggressive and lurid threats of retaliation against the world in general. There do not appear to be any counter-communiques saying "that's fake, we never said that."
Even otherwise discounting Ukrainian narratives, that doesn't come across as a military exercise that was justified or going according to plan.
I more or less agree with everything you said bar the second point. Pre-war Putin crafted many reasonings for his invasion, of which one of them might still be believable (the threat from NATO interfering in Ukraine like they have been doing since they overthrew their gov in 2014. This is a significant threat to Putin. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with what he did, but I can understand at least one of the reasons could make sense, although like others it might be just propaganda too.
 
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Fuck off glownigger
Take it easy with the krokodil comrade. I'm no fan of the west for a lot of things but Russia is objectively a poverty ridden corrupt shithole who's "president" is currently hiding in a bunker rattling a nuke saber because he's scared his own cronies are going to knife his ass after he humiliated his entire country because all he has for allies is his lil bitch Lukashenko, Barely functional chechen retard and king of a pile of rubble in Syria.

This morning Switzerland abandoned it's centuries old neutrality, supported Ukraine and locked down Oligarch assets. This afternoon the NASDAQ froze all Russian companies and stocks and may be locking out Russian traders. The Russian economy is getting North Korea'd overnight with the bulk of the pressure being applied to the Oligarch's. I don't think any of them were expecting anything like this. Certainly not this fast.

In a related note this is sending a certain message to China's ultra rich. Especially the Generals. Xi may see oportunity with the world distracted. But his Generals like their ill gotten gains.
I actually believe part of the point of sanctions is to tell China to be careful about it's next move at this point. I half expected China would invade Taiwan on day 2 of Ukraine invasion I think they may be reevaluating if their army isn't just as or even more retarded then Russian zoomers.
 
Even assuming Russia could commit 100% of their forces to it, and not just their actual realistic forces, but their on paper theoretical maximum strength, they still wouldn't come close. Their ability to properly exploit the gap was arguable during the cold war, and that was with the might of the Red Army, which shits all over their current one, backed by the might of the Pact, and with them sitting practically on top of it. If they escalated to an all out ground invasion of Europe now they'd be lucky to get halfway through Poland.

I've said it before and I'll say it again the West developed the hard counter to massed armour assaults, tank plinking, during the Gulf and they've spent the last 30 years perfecting both the doctrine, and the tech to carry it out. Moreover any attempt to invade the rest of Europe would entail thousands upon thousands of square miles of logistics trains and supplies and does anyone think an air force that still hasn't neutralised the ukranians entirely could come lose to defending that?


Probably the same usual ineffective sanction bullshit we usually try, I don't think he was expecting us to go as far as we did like cutting him outta SWIFT and shit. I also don't think he was expecting the war to go on as long as it has. He almost certainly figured he could take a few financial hits in the short term, collapse the Ukrainians fairly quickly, and then try to negotiate a compromise with the West.
That sounds about right. I don't think he was expecting other neighboring countries to openly back Ukraine and sanctioning the shit out of Russia.
 
That sounds about right. I don't think he was expecting other neighboring countries to openly back Ukraine and sanctioning the shit out of Russia.
I think it's far to say that he expected some sanctions, given that last time he received them too. But he probably wasn't expecting them to be this big
 
Frankly if Switzerland gets nuked as a result of this war the world wins.
You're not wrong, but they won't. They have all the money, after all. Can't risk that. That's such a strong position, they supposedly have wired their own country to blow like some insane inversion of MAD. What I would expect to happen is some more risk-adverse billionaires may decide just paying their damn taxes is better than even the small chance of losing their entire fortune if their home country ever winds up on the shitlist.
 
With the energy crisis and most of the EU being overly reliant on Russia for gas, I guess he thought that he thought they would never go this far with sanctions. But even if the sanctions are ever lifted most of those counties will still go forward with the fast track of other non-Russian energy solutions, Putin has economically fucked Russia for a very long time.
 
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why would they want that?
The global currency for oil trading is the US Dollar/Federal Reserve Note. - When your country owns/controls
(simplification for the purpose of this conversation)
the instrument of trade, your country has a massive advantage.
Russia and China would like to trade directly with each other and with other countries, outside of the petrodollar system.
 
The global currency for oil trading is the US Dollar/Federal Reserve Note. - When your country owns/controls
(simplification for the purpose of this conversation)
the instrument of trade, your country has a massive advantage.
Russia and China would like to trade directly with each other and with other countries, outside of the petrodollar system.
Thanks for explaining it. That does seem to make sense
 

What are thermobaric weapons, which could be used in the war between Russia and Ukraine?​


Concerns are mounting that Russia is preparing to use thermobaric weapons as part of its invasion of Ukraine.

The weapons — which effectively create a massive shock wave which sucks the air out of the lungs of its victims — have reportedly been seen near the city of Kharkiv, in Ukraine's east.

Their use would mark an escalation in the assault by Russian forces, which are targeting cities across the country, including the capital Kyiv.

CNN reported today that Russian TOS-1 rocket launchers, able to launch up to 30 rockets armed with thermobaric warheads, had mobilised in eastern Ukraine.

What are thermobaric weapons?​

The weapons come in various sizes, from rocket-propelled grenades designed for close combat, to large versions that can be deployed from planes.

The explosives ignite the surrounding air, producing a lethal shock wave and sucking the air from the lungs of anyone in the vicinity.

Far more powerful than conventional explosives, thermobaric weapons — also known as fuel-air bombs and vacuum bombs — also have a longer burn time, which increases their destructive capacity.

How do they work?​

A typical fuel-air bomb consists of a container of fuel and two separate explosive charges.

The first charge bursts open the container to disperse the fuel in a cloud that mixes with oxygen in the air.

The cloud of fuel then flows around objects and into structures.

The second charge then detonates the cloud, creating a massive blast wave.

In what situations are they used?​

The nature of their blast means the bombs are effective in open areas, as well as confined spaces, such as bunkers, caves and urban areas.

As the war in Ukraine looks more likely to move to cities across the country, the chances of thermobaric weapons being used is increasing.

Are they new?​

No.

The idea for the weapons has been around since World War II. However, it was some time before they were deployed.

American forces used thermobaric weapons in Vietnam, where they were more effective than napalm at clearing large swathes of jungle to allow helicopters to land.

They were also used in Afghanistan in the wake of 9/11 as the United States hunted Osama bin Laden in the caves of the mountainous Tora Bora region.

Russian forces also have a history with the weapons, having deployed them in the Chechnya conflict more than two decades ago.


 
I'm posting from work tired as fuck. I stayed up absurdly late last night anticipating the collapse of the Russian economy but they ended up closing off the MOEX (their main stock trading platform) for the entire day :(

I guess the new Russian tactic is that your stock market can't tank if it never opens. A bold strategy. Lets see how long it pays off for them

The Russian central bank has hiked interest rates from 9% to 20%. They're also preventing all foreign stock holders from selling which will basically ensure nobody will ever put money into their country ever again

I've had to be content with watching the disintegration of the Ruble's value which to be fair did not disappoint. It's now worth less than a single US cent. Russians are seeing the value of their savings decrease by more than half

I don't feel bad watching Putin's regime collapse under the weight of it's own bad decisions but I do feel bad for the average Russian citizen. We're basically condemning them to decades of poverty just because of the actions of some corrupt politicians. I hope when all is said and done and Putin has gone the way of Ceaușescu the EU has a plan to integrate Russia into the west. It's either that or becoming a permanent Chinese vassal state
 
I do. I think that's exactly what he and Xi were expecting. They've been wanting to cease trading oil for greenbacks for a long time, and now they've managed to get their enemies to do it for them.

I seriously doubt that Putin wanted to be sanctioned personally, much less have the overwhelming majority of the oligarchs get blacklisted, certain banks to get cut off from SWIFT, or even for the Ruble to crash as hard as it has.

Is there an upside to not using petrodollars anymore? Of course. However, there’s a stark contrast between using CNY/RUB because you want to vs being effectively forced to use it. Maybe SFPS and/or CIPS will gain slightly more traction but again: Putin shot himself in the foot this time.
 
I think it's far to say that he expected some sanctions, given that last time he received them too. But he probably wasn't expecting them to be this big
I think it's more he was not expecting the European Blowback. He worked hard to insure that there was a weak senile old moron in charge of the US who would never drop any serious sanctions. Biden's initial milquetoast sanctions are what he was expecting. He didn't expect Europe to go all howler monkey, drop massive sanctions and intimidate sleepy grandpa Badfinger into going along with them. He thought he had europe cowed via Germany's energy dependence on him. He miscalculated that the threat of Russian tanks advancing into Western Europe would prompt them all to go into full Cold Warrior mode. In hindsight he probably should not have threatened to Nuke Finland and Sweden. That was one of those unifying moments that got all of the squabbling Euro's attention.
 

Ukrainian fighters grease bullets against Chechens with pig fat​


Ukraine's Western-backed National Guard has praised its Nazis fighters for greasing bullets with lard to kill Russian Muslims. The official, verified Twitter account of the Ukrainian National Guard tweeted a video on February 27 showing a soldier from the neo-Nazi Azov movement dipping bullets in pig fat. In Islam, pork and other pig products are seen as haram, to say unclean and forbidden.



 
This is floating around. It is apparently an official picture of Putin in a meeting with Senior advisors this morning or yesterday. And supposedly it's not fake. The internet is already gloriously Mem'ing it. But it's hard to top what it actually is.
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