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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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alternatively, decisions are not being made by any rational calculation at all, just by emotion and groupthink.

"something must be done, this is something, therefore we must do it."

it is all happening so quickly, politicians cannot possibly be doing calm pro/con tallying up of expected consequences from this or that diplomatic action.
We are talking about Europe in 2022. They had 30 years to think what to do in case of war with Russia. All of countries in that part of world have some plans for that - less or more stupid, but always. E.g. Estonia is always ready to start a partisan war after conquer by Russia and have all of critical data in digital form, so they will be able to operate main aspects of beeing a country from any place on earth and make the best to sacrifice as many of young Estonians in killing Russians.

Also don't underestimate chaotic moves. You know who was defending Grozny side by side with crazy anti-Russian Chechens? Ukrainian nationalists. They also (ukrainian nationalists) was heading to Moscow when the Ynaiev coup d'etat was ongoing. Ukrainians aren't the bet option to bully, trust me.

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Map of current situation. Loooong convoy didn't included. Russiand barely took any adwantage. This isn't blitzkrieg at all. Compare that with real blitzkrieg, e.g. german-soviet war in summer 1941, in 5th day of war Germans already closed with iron ringle several soviet corps, took nearly all of Lithuanian SSR, took big cities like Lviv, and smashed down front line in many points into nothing.

Another blitzkrieg: Poland in september 1939. 5th day of war was 5th september. Germans achive smashing down all polish border force except maybye some parts of that in mountains near Slovakia, cutting of some forces in north Poland and they was ready to cut country in two pieces.

Or Iraq in 2003: 5th day was 24th of march. Murrica was already in An-Nadżaf (major city in half of Iraq), was smashing to nothing local forces in coast of Iraq and was preparing to second phase of offensive.

And what we see on Ukraine map? Russians take little more than nothing. They was stopped on very first big cities after border crosing. Only signifant gains are in south, but in perpetual danger of being cutt-off if Ukrainians procede a counterattack along river. O man, after five day Russians should be at least in half way do Dnieper river, not still on outskirts in random Whatevaiv. they aren't even able to encircle that cities nor pass them.

ANY modern offensive is going on this way, if proper executed:

- strong spear of invasion army ir steamrolling defenders in several places making breaks in front line,
- frontal units are heading in SOME deep into enemies territory and close eniemies forces in iron rings,
- second line is clearing in their way that points of defence.

And them their going further after securing logistics.

Russian just go ahead, lose contact with own forces and get their tanks stolen by random gypsies. Ah, I forget: and their get own economy ruined by West. Pure genius, Kuznetsov and Uszakov are impressed.
 

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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't reveling in the resistance to Russian aggression these past few days but I agree with the people in the thread saying that we need to give Putin an "out." As much as we like to make fun of him, he's still the most powerful man on earth and I don't like thinking about what he'll do if he feels backed into a corner

I said earlier in the thread that I don't think he would use nuclear weapons on the west but these past few days have been tactical blunder after tactical blunder. It seems like he's become really prone to emotional thinking. Is it really that hard to assume he could overplay his hand with the nuclear button?

Biden will be holding another press conference tomorrow. He should throw out that he'll start lifting certain sanctions provided Russia deescalates the situation. The EU has mostly been operating independently but I'm sure they would follow America's lead and do something similar. All of us have too much to lose and too little to gain from a world war over some shitty eastern European land
 
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't reveling in the resistance to Russian aggression these past few days but I agree with the people in the thread saying that we need to give Putin an "out." As much as we like to make fun of him, he's still the most powerful man on earth and I don't like thinking about what he'll do if he feels backed into a corner

I said earlier in the thread that I don't think he would use nuclear weapons on the west but these past few days have been tactical blunder after tactical blunder. It seems like he's become really prone to emotional thinking. Is it really that hard to assume he could overplay his hand with the nuclear button?

Biden will be holding another press conference tomorrow. He should throw out that he'll start lifting certain sanctions provided Russia deescalates the situation. The EU has mostly been operating independently but I'm sure they would follow America's lead and do something similar. All of us have too much to lose and too little to gain from a world war over some shitty eastern European land
Most powerful man on earth? Who are you kidding, we all know those banker types are the ones that rule the world.
 
I love how EU is using their "Peace facility" to finance en masse deaths in the Ukraine-Russian war.

"The European Union agreed Sunday to provide some €500 million in arms and other aid to the Ukrainian military as it battles Russia’s invasion, in a move the bloc described as a “watershed moment” in its history."

"Under the plans announced Sunday, as first reported by POLITICO, the EU will use an off-budget so-called “European Peace Facility” financing instrument with a ceiling of €5 billion that can be used to provide military aid."

 
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Metokur is talking about the conflict, with Russian thots being at the top of his list.

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This makes a good point, some of the best looking strippers I’ve seen are Russian chicks. Ima hit the club with $8 and bag of onions. Economists call that a shortfall investment.
 

Mexico's Grupo Bimbo suspends operations in Ukraine plant, citing safety concerns​

MEXICO CITY, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Mexican breadmaker Grupo Bimbo said on Sunday it has temporarily suspended operations in its Dnipro plant to ensure the safety of its 150 workers, all of whom are Ukrainians, citing the ongoing crisis with Russia.

One of the world's largest breadmaker, Grupo Bimbo said in a statement that it operates in Ukraine under the brand of Bimbo QSR, providing baked goods to quick service restaurants. It said it had suspended operations in Ukraine four days earlier.

Grupo Bimbo also operates in Russia though the statement did not mention whether its presence there would be affected.

Earlier this week, Mexican tortilla-maker Gruma suspended operations at its plant in Ukraine, local media had reported.
 
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't reveling in the resistance to Russian aggression these past few days but I agree with the people in the thread saying that we need to give Putin an "out." As much as we like to make fun of him, he's still the most powerful man on earth and I don't like thinking about what he'll do if he feels backed into a corner

I said earlier in the thread that I don't think he would use nuclear weapons on the west but these past few days have been tactical blunder after tactical blunder. It seems like he's become really prone to emotional thinking. Is it really that hard to assume he could overplay his hand with the nuclear button?

Biden will be holding another press conference tomorrow. He should throw out that he'll start lifting certain sanctions provided Russia deescalates the situation. The EU has mostly been operating independently but I'm sure they would follow America's lead and do something similar. All of us have too much to lose and too little to gain from a world war over some shitty eastern European land
They'll give him an out when he finally cries "uncle" and tries to sue for peace. Otherwise, as long as his attacks continue, their sanctions will continue to pile up until Russia's economy is back in the Dark Ages.
 
I came across this interesting post from a Scifi Larping forum, but it still seems like a good read since the person claims to have some OSINT and command experience. It's way too long to C&P it here though. Talks mainly about the Russian's focus on advancing and leaving their backtracks vulnerable rather than securing their positions and how it's biting them in the ass because the Ukrainians have been taught to avoid fighting in the open.
I kind of agree with that post. I read a similar Twitter thread yesterday and I'm on the similar opinion that the Russian did a terrible mistake in their very optimistic choice of a quick strike that disregarded reinforcement and supply line. They overestimated the strength and morale of their own armies, and underestimated the Ukrainians' will to fight
You know guys, I'm glad I've found out this thread. Because in the other thread in Happenings there are retards saying shit like "this conflict is really moraly ambigious because there could be nukes flying from Ukraine and this is to close to defend blablabla". Well, there could be nukes flying from Estonia, as it is also part of NATO and not much further away than Ukraine.
This thread is miles better if you actually want to discuss the conflict and its ramifications to the state of the world. The other thread in Happenings is just filled with edgeposters and /pol/tards trying to meme on this tragedy. That said, the other thread has more videos and pics as I observed

Honestly, the fact that Switzerland is breaking their centuries-old neutrality (though they claimed they're still neutral), is a very shocking plot twist in this conflict. Putin must have never thought Europe would retaliate at this scale and speed

And regarding the 40-miles long Russian convoy en route to Kyiv, if we and the mainstream media knows about it, then there's no way in hell the Ukrainian doesn't know about it as well. I wonder what their countermeasure will be. If the report is right about Russia committing 75% of their troops on the border, then we're going to see an escalation of destruction and deaths as Putin and his generals getting more desperate for Ukraine's capitulation
 
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What are the reports so far for Russian causalities? I wanted to cross reference and the number given by Ukraine is 5,300 soldiers. It's not verifiable right now but if those numbers are at all accurate then that means Russia lost more troops in its invasion of Ukraine than America did in its invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
I came across this interesting post from a Scifi Larping forum, but it still seems like a good read since the person claims to have some OSINT and command experience. It's way too long to C&P it here though. Talks mainly about the Russian's focus on advancing and leaving their backtracks vulnerable rather than securing their positions and how it's biting them in the ass because the Ukrainians have been taught to avoid fighting in the open.
Sufficientvelocity is a Spacebattles affiliate/dumping ground for banned members forum. So the ass and rectal cancer that taints SB.com is also extremely prevalent there. So even when the information is solid, it is still have to be sifted through the the signal to taint filter.
 
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In a weird synergy with other autistic threads, famed Comics Industry stalking horse Richard C Meyer aka Diversity & Comics, aka Comics MATTER w/Ya Boi Zack, had some interesting commentary on the war in Ukraine and how it is being prosecuted. I'll give the dude credit. He's served in both Marines and the Army and has been boots on the ground in the combat zones for 3 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Including Day 1 in Iraq. His conclusion is this is the weirdest war ever.
 
but if those numbers are at all accurate then that means Russia lost more troops in its invasion of Ukraine than America did in its invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Its too early to tell and also Iraq seems to be the complete opposite of what's happening right now. Not a fair comparison.
US military command expected massive resistance and the loss projections were extremely grim, but instead a huge chunk of the Iraqi military up and deserted the moment the invasion started, Iraqi pilots deserted or refused to get off the ground and the only part of their military that fought in any real numbers was the Iraqi Republican guard who got absolutely butchered by shit like smart cluster bombs.
After news of an entire Republican guard tank column got obliterated by two CBU-105s, even more desertions happened.

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They'll give him an out when he finally cries "uncle" and tries to sue for peace. Otherwise, as long as his attacks continue, their sanctions will continue to pile up until Russia's economy is back in the Dark Ages.
This reeks of Hillary Clinton vindictiveness. He knows that surrender now means dying like Gaddafi.
 
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