Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[apolloday]

Everyone's asking things like "what does Putin get out of this?" and "what's Putin's endgame here?".
Have you seen the palace he just built? Man just wants one last hurrah and a Wikipedia entry before he puts his feet up and lets his minions pick up the pieces. He has it all figured out imo.

 

[Breadbassket]

Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast)

maybe — just maybe — not as many russian tanks have been destroyed by ukrainian teenagers as you have been led to believe

nitter.net

Muh Russian misinformation!
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That can't be a Russian vehicle anyway. The Z looks too clean.

Now this, right here, is a proper Russian invasion vehicle.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

I really wonder just how much they want to squeeze the Russian bear like this.

Something something a cornered animal is the most dangerous. If they don't allow Russia the grace of at least a negotiated win, their nightmare of a nuclear holocaust might actually come true.

The problem is that assumes that Putin's willing to settle for a reasonable negotiated win. I don't think he's willing to settle for anything Ukraine's willing to offer. He wants Zelensky removed, Ukraine either absorbed into Russia, turned into a Russian client state, or permanently neutered into a "neutral" state that won't join the EU or NATO. Right now I don't think Ukraine's willing to offer anything more than "walk away and we'll call it even". Even if the countries providing them international support pressured them, I don't think they'd be willing to offer more than the separatist controlled areas and acknowledgement Russia owns Crimea. Which would not be enough for Putin as it'd leave the remainder of Ukraine to ally with the west.

The bottom line is that Putin wants Ukraine either under his thumb or at his mercy. While Ukraine has no interest in being under his thumb, and his invasion already has shown that his mercy can't be trusted.

 

[Emperor Pupienus]

Sure china might be cut out of the petrodollar but Russia could say china buy our rubble's instead and trade oil in rubble's and unlike some small country in Africa Russia and china have the military might and nukes to say fuck you to the imf financial system.

Notable that China and Russia have already been working for years on the establishment of a gold-backed currency of trade outside the US-led financial system.
China, Russia Strengthen Ties- Replace USD With Gold-backed Trade Std
Russia & China will lead the world back to GOLD STANDARD, investment manager tells Keiser Report
Russia-China real gold standard means end of US dollar dominance
I have no idea if this new system is ready to roll out now, or when, but it would insulate the Sino-Russian alliance from a lot of the Western financial chicanery, and could potentially deal a death blow to the West if widely adopted, i.e. if the USD lost status as global trade currency. They say one of the major factors in Muammar Gaddafi's ouster was his intention to roll out an Islamic gold dinar, which could have severely disrupted USD petrodollar dynamics. Yet it would be much harder to sodomize Xi or Putin with a mercenary's bayonet.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Boomers were all raised with the mindset that

1) journalists are all trustworthy, selfless and borderline superhumans (an impression that is reinforced in FAR too many works of fiction)

2) that everyone had a "duty" to stay informed and up to date (an impression reinforced by TV networks themselves, i.e. "this is what you need to know about x")

So they watch TV all day without question, and basically brainwash themselves.

I don't mean to dunk on an entire generation like this but its actually fucking sad. They're human beings who have been manipulated for so long they are blind to it. I talk to my grandparents and other older relatives and no matter whether they are left or right, as soon as anything related to current events comes up in conversation, they turn into zombies mindlessly regurgitating what they watched.

It kills me inside because they let that define them, and they're so set in their ways that nothing I can say or do will change them.

Just wait til the kids who grew up with Web 2.0 become real adults. Boomers watched CNN and Fox, Zoomers and pandemic kids watch TikTok and 2010s YouTube.

 

[ZMOT]

i sincerely doubt this decrepit pitiful excuse for a war machine ive seen try and fail to bully a significantly less advanced nation can afford a years siege with their monopoly money.

then you need to look harder and fucking lurk moar. protip: google grozny.

this is some "nu-uh, twitter said ukraine killed 6 million russians while they drive around civilians, take that pootin!!1" reddit tier take.

 

[Strix454]

it would also mean the just ignored it's own rules and made a state a member that makes even greece look good. I doubt they gonna do it, but this is clown world.

NATO's defense clause is not much different. If its invoked, everyone has an obligation to help. But each country chooses individually how it will help.

 

[JosephStalin]

Every single boomer I know (regardless of claimed left/right affiliation) watches TV all the time and gets nearly all their political opinions spoon-fed to them from their preferred channel. It's like they were the first generation that grew up watching TV from childhood so they never figured out its 99% propaganda bullshit.

They believe everything the TV says, they ignore everything the TV doesn't tell them, they ridicule everything the TV tells them to ridicule, they buy everything the TV tells them to buy.

"THEY LIVE" wasn't science fiction it was a goddamn documentary.

I don't watch TV. Makes people dumber.

 

[XYZpdq]

Just wait til the kids who grew up with Web 2.0 become real adults. Boomers watched CNN and Fox, Zoomers and pandemic kids watch TikTok and 2010s YouTube.

I have no horrifying rate but I must scream

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

*M2 Brownings - which is older than any of those other things by at least 50 years.

You will respect Ma-Deuce. She has killed more motherfuckers than you've ever met and done it with style, finesse, and absolute dedication. You wish you could find a wife as effective and loyal as her.

 

[Strix454]

Notable that China and Russia have already been working for years on the establishment of a gold-backed currency of trade outside the US-led financial system.
China, Russia Strengthen Ties- Replace USD With Gold-backed Trade Std
Russia & China will lead the world back to GOLD STANDARD, investment manager tells Keiser Report
Russia-China real gold standard means end of US dollar dominance
I have no idea if this new system is ready to roll out now, or when, but it would insulate the Sino-Russian alliance from a lot of the Western financial chicanery, and could potentially deal a death blow to the West if widely adopted, i.e. if the USD lost status as global trade currency. They say one of the major factors in Muammar Gaddafi's ouster was his intention to roll out an Islamic gold dinar, which could have severely disrupted USD petrodollar dynamics. Yet it would be much harder to sodomize Xi or Putin with a mercenary's bayonet.

A gold-backed solid china currency like that would be treated as a serious threat and Goldman-Sachs et al would be screaming for war with China. And I'm being serious.

 

[Meat Target]

Just wait til the kids who grew up with Web 2.0 become real adults. Boomers watched CNN and Fox, Zoomers and pandemic kids watch TikTok and 2010s YouTube.

I believe it was Kurt Vonnegut who said, "true horror is waking up and realizing your high school graduating class runs the country."

 

[verissimus]

That can't be a Russian vehicle anyway. The Z looks too clean.
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Now this, right here, is a proper Russian invasion vehicle.

What is that? An armored drone?

 

[make_it_so]

You will respect Ma-Deuce. She has killed more motherfuckers than you've ever met and done it with style, finesse, and absolute dedication. You wish you could find a wife as effective and loyal as her.

I meant it as a compliment, good sir.

 

[MeltyTW]

Fair point.

Maybe if we've all become so stupid and detached from reality that we no longer fear even nuclear obliteration, we deserve what we get.

i kind of want to nuke everything just out of petty spite

Mayor of Kherson announces the city has been put under a blockade by Russian forces.
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please tell me this is to cut off reinforcements as they quickly invade the city, a modern military power shouldnt be degraded to the point of having to use fucking medieval siege tactics of starving out a significantly inferior power slowly for one particular city of that power.

Even if Russia suffers for a while due to the sanctions, which is still to be seen since they have been prepping for it with China etc for a while, they've still accomplished a major feat by continuing the separation of Europe and America. The US has, for a long time and to the disdain of our critics, been the power broker behind most of Europe's democracies. At the end of the day despite all the legends of glory, Europe was still bankrolled, rebuilt and reinforced by American money and military power. This pan Atlantic broship was not to last though and Biden seems to be the geriatric dipshit left holding the proverbial hot potato - he is the president under which the camel's back broke and who completely decimated any lasting respect Europe had for the US. And Putin put the final nail in that coffin by responding to Bidens huffing and puffing by invading anyway, and Biden only being able to levy sanctions in response.

Europe has completely lost faith in America and while Europe is becoming more united with one another the US is becoming more fragmented on all levels.

So really, even if Putin gets fucking merc'd on live tv tomorrow by The Ghost of Kiev Samyuli himself, he's still accomplished more than any Russian ruler in the last 50 years by driving a lasting wedge between Europe and the US.

america is always internally fractured and it seems like bidens done ok, sanctions cant really stop a moron from crossing a border and telling his army to invade, thats not what theyre for and i assume most european nations understand we cant just nuke russia or send in troops without it being nukes galore. i also dont see how theyve been prepping when they couldnt even get basic cyber security down. i dont think russia has done jack shit to prep beyond masturbate to dreams of the old union when she wasnt a hag and this idea europe and america arent united as the entire world is sanctioning and fucking with russia doesnt seem to be happening.

that still wouldnt even be worth tanking all this damage for even if it were true anyway, shooting your foot to scratch americas nose

Everyone's asking things like "what does Putin get out of this?" and "what's Putin's endgame here?".
Have you seen the palace he just built? Man just wants one last hurrah and a Wikipedia entry before he puts his feet up and lets his minions pick up the pieces. He has it all figured out imo.

he very very clearly doesnt and very very clearly is anything but calm

Notable that China and Russia have already been working for years on the establishment of a gold-backed currency of trade outside the US-led financial system.
China, Russia Strengthen Ties- Replace USD With Gold-backed Trade Std
Russia & China will lead the world back to GOLD STANDARD, investment manager tells Keiser Report
Russia-China real gold standard means end of US dollar dominance
I have no idea if this new system is ready to roll out now, or when, but it would insulate the Sino-Russian alliance from a lot of the Western financial chicanery, and could potentially deal a death blow to the West if widely adopted, i.e. if the USD lost status as global trade currency. They say one of the major factors in Muammar Gaddafi's ouster was his intention to roll out an Islamic gold dinar, which could have severely disrupted USD petrodollar dynamics. Yet it would be much harder to sodomize Xi or Putin with a mercenary's bayonet.

then thered only be one sided trade between china and a broken decrepit state that everyone else hates

then you need to look harder and fucking lurk moar. protip: google grozny.

this is some "nu-uh, twitter said ukraine killed 6 million russians while they drive around civilians, take that pootin!!1" reddit tier take.

no it isnt if you think this pitiful invasion, even ignoring any of the admittedly highly propagandized news from ukraine and just looking at russias lack of progress this invasion has been an utter disaster i dont think russia has the chops or resources for 1 year of this

 

[LeChampion1992]

i sincerely doubt this decrepit pitiful excuse for a war machine ive seen try and fail to bully a significantly less advanced nation can afford a years siege with their monopoly money.

well i mean his brilliant response was to tell the banks to delay it juuuuuust a bit longer and he apparently was delusional enough to think his impotent forces were capable of seeing past the confusion to quickly capture ukraine so i highly doubt that especially with his frantic ILL NUKE YOU ALL shit that hes failed to follow through on beyond his bravado and posturing.

china does a significant thing to lift a finger for an ally theyve so far only offered mealy mouther platitudes and timid neutrality bordering on support for and their highly foreign dependent economy goes down the shitter too. all these nations are posturing bitches


lol buy our monopoly money more and risk pissing off the parts of the world with actual functioning currency, brilliant. also no china has jack shit its why they posture just like lil ol putin. so far it seems theyve only said theyll continue normal trade which iirc isnt actually beyond 20 percent of their exports anyway

A. A years worth of war is still a lot of money but considering that Russia has the population the size of Japan but a country that makes tons of money via arms sales and fossil fuel exports countries like china and India simply can't afford to be over reliant on the US.

B. Russia doesn't need to do shock and Awe warfare in fact they're trying to justify to their media and third world countries that they're the good guys by actively avoiding civilian casualties. They tried to slice and dice too big of a pie slice and got caught.

C. China Buys Russian oil and gas and will probably get it for an even cheaper amount now. India buys Billions of Russian arms. Both of these countries are now going to probably get cheaper oil from Russia. Russia makes a shitload money from China and India. China and India will simply prop up the Russian federation's economy and all is well.

D. China's needs resources and Russia and china working together that's an immediate super power. Chinese financing and Russian arms that would be a risk to all the major current world powers.

I am not here to suck Putin's dick I'm being realistic he needs Ukraine because the presence of bandera groups pose a security risk to Moscow. Having these groups in a country next door that's also a NATO member reminds the Russians too much of Nazis and WW2. Putin desperately bis trying to prop up their countries boomer truth regime that they need to be in Ukraine to prevent fascism from coming into Russia. That is the mindset the Russians feel about it. Also ask yourself this we haven't seen the new Russian stock really in this war they've been mostly sending out their obsolete reservists and equipment out first. (conspiracy time but I think Russia is backing chechnyan Insurgents so they can keep them fighting for Moscow and die for Moscow so Russia can increase it's presence and eventually intergrate chechnya back into the federation more.

 

[The Ugly One]

Go to Zelensky' wikipedia page. 196 references. He was only elected in 2019. The PR machine started as soon as he became President. I'm guessing the west has a lot of money riding on him.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ukrainian oligarchs donated $10m to the Clinton Foundation. This is fact-checked as "false" by the fact-checkers, since "Ukraine was not the top donor to the Clinton Foundation; it was Ukrainian individuals, when added together." It was sweet, old babushkas donating their last rubles or dinars or kronars or whatever passes for money in that dump.

Grown children of Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, Joe Biden, and John Kerry all found gainful employment with Burisma as well.

 

[Breadbassket]

Footage of a pro-Russian embedded journalist from Texas named Russell Bonner Bentley (More Info On Him Below) with a stationary Russian column.

Link On Article About Russell Bonner Bentley

 

[Shroom King]

Okay, I have read over a thousand pages of this thread and I still don't know what a MANPAD is. Is that a male tampon or something?

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

These are the type of people who learned what MAD was this week.

They're not exactly the pinnacle of knowledge in international affairs.

Imagine not learning about MAD from Peace Walker.