Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Matt Damon]

It took the horrors of Somme to shock the volunteers of World War I into the realities of industrial war. I have no doubt a similar reminder is long overdue at this point.

Except this time you could get the same death toll of four years of industrial war in a matter of minutes.

 

[ZMOT]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

"dood, look at footage! check reddit, someone on twitter with an ukrainian flag said so!"

 

[Richardface]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

We can backsolve from "where the fuck was the russian airforce and the drones they've invested to heavily in?" and "why the fuck are small units charging down the highways on their own without support" to "oh wow they didn't expect any real resistance that those assets would be required"

 

[El Iluminado]

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Times up cunt

Is that Hasan on the backseat?

 

[XYZpdq]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

Putin hoped to win effortlessly or that the people would simply accept him as their leader. This is how he's always operated. It isn't hard to use critical thinking to figure out where he's at now.

 

[Jump]

Tweets essentially begging for NATO to intervene in the war. Mig Greengard is an American chess player and the person who maintains the official English website of the Russian pro-democracy coalition, The Other Russia.
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I think panic is starting to set in after sat images started showing the amount of hardware rolling in right now and all the feel good stories about Ghosts and Islands turned out to be deboonked.

 

[Socrates]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

The Russiaboos are coping over the damage the economic sanctions are doing and the Ukrainefags are coping over the fact that Ukraine will cease to exist as a independent nation within a week or 2. It leads to a lot of dumb assumptions.

 

[LeChampion1992]

a astronomical sum of money that trade with timid and cautious partners is simply not enough to sustain especially if it starts to be known and noticed that it is sustaining the hated war effort by the rest of the world.


they tried and failed shock and awe because they suck and their army sucks ass and now theyre reduced to squatting and hoping the peasantry of ukraine dies of the plague before they have to deal with it again. also they kinda failed if thats the case with the intensive bombing in civilian areas including hospitals (dont even know if those claims are true in particular but an optics tank none the less) and saying that actually they didnt rely on that when they were posting about having this done and dusted within two days and lied about having taken down ukraines anti air early isnt accurate.




they dont make up that much of russias economy to say that being cut off will magically just have no effect when it doesnt seem like china or india are eager to prop it up singlehandedly and selling it for cheaper just makes it worse for russia lol



china hasnt been gung ho about this russia business and cant really afford to play at empire like russias trying to do especially since their main route is economic growth which russia is not offering rn, at best russia could offer an alternative economy not a growth from what china has now or could have leaving the granny state to wither in the cold North@

A. China's opposes feeding the western beast buddy. Trust me they would suffer but they have most of the world's manufacturing and factories in their country. They can simply Sieze assets in a national security concern, kick out any western interests that don't bend to their knee.

B. Yeah no shit buddy but they have a plan B which is overwhelm the Ukrainians and convince cities one by one to surrender/overthrow the defenders by blockading them into submission. Also Russia has newer weapons systems and APCS. Anyone with more then two IQ points can tell you they're not using their newest and best tech systems. Why is that? Well there is a risk Ukrainian locals capture one and the US gets to steal their machines. Second not a Putin fan again and I have to give credit where credit is due the Ukrainians are holding out longer then I expected. I expected Zelinsky to flee, only some of the extremists fighting Russia and this war being over. Guess what Ukraine has a spine and yeah they side with globohomo but siding with Russia isn't exactly based either.

Anyone saying Russia is getting massive local support and defeating fascists is a Russian shill.

Anyone saying Ukraines is winning and causing the Russians to lose is a Ukrainian shill.

The Truth is this.

Russia took way more casualties then it is probably comfortable with. I also do expect more of it's casualties to be from the Chechnyan and Bellarussian forces now. Their logistical lines are under constant target by drones and they don't have complete air surpremacy due to anti air and lots of stinger missiles. Unlike Afghanistan which had the older I buggier missiles were sending Ukraine tons of the good stuff from the EU as well.
But Ukraine can easily just be chipped away after a few more weeks to months of sustained combat unless foreign backed mercs/volunteers literally start flooding into the battlefield and changing the tide. Remember it took the world's largest military to defeat Iraq in 2003 about 6 weeks to go from Kuwait to Baghdad and secure the country. This was after a heavy and sustained air offensive that completely and utterly destroyed at that time had been the world's 5th or 6th largest army. Ukraine is alot smaller and fighting a smaller foe. This war won't be over anytime soon. Even if Russia just wins and Ukraine collapses now it will still take several weeks to clear things up. Realistically speaking if anything this will be a Spanish civil war type scenario where both sides will get a massive wake-up call to what works and doesn't. Expect to see some Russian sob stories of I lost my son as his transport plane had been shot down by an insurgent with some new generation Anti Air missile launcher. I wouldn't be surprised if you hear stories of Ukraines army being defeated within a month but years from now Kiev turns into a Baghdad where car bombs and insurgency fighters make it a death trap for the Russian there. Kharkiv on the other hand will probably normalize relations and any Ukrainian will still be called a Nazi loser 20 years now by some Russian internet faggot.

 

[Richardface]

The Russiaboos are coping over the damage the economic sanctions are doing and the Ukrainefags are coping over the fact that Ukraine will cease to exist as a independent nation within a week or 2. It leads to a lot of dumb assumptions.

Do we think the Ukraine name will stick around or will they resurrect Galicia-Lodomierez

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

Because it's evident in the actions on the ground. The extreme and uncharacteristic restraint in avoiding civilian casualties indicates that Putin wanted to fight this war as cleanly as possible, to minimize the backlash he would receive. The 3 days (and counting) stall outside of Kiev indicates that they weren't planning on having to assault the city, but rather taking it without a substantial fight. Putin's reversal on his willingness to talk around that time further reinforces that. The massive convoy now moving in that direction, coupled with the slowly rising reports of rocket use in urban areas all indicate that Putin is getting ready to go full "fuck your optics", especially since the media just acted like he was going Grozny 2.0 anyway, despite all the effort to not do that.

 

[Disheveled Human]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

It took too long and the initial invasion force was small. He should have went in with way more troops on all fronts and planned the logistics better because there were a lot of abandoned tanks being filmed by locals. Maybe that stuff was to plan but the Military experts doing the intelligence on the Ukrainian side (US Intelligence) are making these claims. Putin asking for Belarus to help them and threatening nukes on the world seems like he really wants to speed up this initially botched start of the invasion.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Except this time you could get the same death toll of four years of industrial war in a matter of minutes.

But all the movies they watch show that body armor makes guns almost useless!

Seriously, these people are in a horrendous bubble and while they love to point at the low body count of the last 30 years for US military operations, they actually have no idea why the body counts are that low.

They also have no clue about scale of force.

I've honestly heard someone try to argue that machineguns are useless now since advances in body armor mean that the bullets can't hurt infantrymen.

 

[Breadbassket]

Video of a Chechen with the Russian forces talking while a friendly vehicle column goes by. No clue what is being said. Footage date unknown.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

 

[Vindeo]

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[LaxerBRO]

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Christ, what a fucking LARP. Not even looking at the patches their gear would seem excessive in Northern "Fucking" Idaho. She has a tactical communications headset / hearing protection and none of her compatriots have them. Their armor and rifles are excessive unless they plan on driving through East St. Louis or Mogadishu. All of it is a cry for attention and for the community to dislike them but I guess that is what they want.

 

[XYZpdq]

It took too long and the initial invasion force was small. He should have went in with way more troops on all fronts and planned the logistics better because there were a lot of abandoned tanks being filmed by locals. Maybe that stuff was to plan but the Military experts doing the intelligence on the Ukrainian side (US Intelligence) are making these claims. Putin asking for Belarus to help them and threatening nukes on the world seems like he really wants to speed up this initially botched start of the invasion.

I will need double plus signed affidavits until I believe anything other than Putin realized how colossally unironically fucking sped Team Biden was after the call to Xinnie The Pooh and calling an audible to say "fuck minor incursions, go for the full country" and then logistics hit like the hangover of all hangovers

 

[LUNEKO]

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The special forces unit known as the "Ranchers of Kyiv" specialize in llama mounted warfare and chemical stench weaponry to deter Russian troops from advancing, it was working exceptionally well defending the capital and preventing Putin's progress but unfortunately they where late for their weekly dilation which prompted them to return allowing the Russian troops to enter the capital

 

[mr.moon1488]

i wonder what the actual death toll of Ukraine is?
this could be equal to at least 3 9/11s

When all is said and done, I feel like the death toll will be higher for Russia than it is for Ukraine, but it won't be anywhere near the Ukrainian numbers that we've seen plastered everywhere. This is conventional warfare which has become alien to people over the years. Typically, the attacker suffers more casualties than the defender. It's one of the reasons why Uncle Schlomo's military doctrine advocates a 3 to 1 numerical advantage when attacking.