Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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MG-34 said:
That equipment wasn't lost, in the same nature that we see several battle tanks ditched on roads. It was signed over to the local governments as it wasn't economically feasible to transport them back to the US or Europe instead of just buying replacements. Later that equipment was sold, stolen or abandoned by the local governments' forces. Is the Russian military responsible when Syrian government forces ditched T-90s and other Russian equipment due to poor understanding of doctrine?
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bigger question is would you ever hear about it, 30 years ago no one was running around with a high-resolution camera and instant uplink for global consumption in his pocket.
your argument is basically "there was all this big shit we know about (because big), that totally means this small shit which would only ever show up in an incident report before being filed and forgotten couldn't have happened at all."
 
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Strix454 said:
At that time, Ukraine was basically run from Moscow. People keep spreading the lie that somehow the 1994 government in Ukraine
was some sort nationalist regime that had a choice in the agreement. They didn't. The Russians told them to sign it
and they signed.
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I mean it was and wasn't fully under moscows grip at that time. People have to understand this about Ukraine. During the 1950s Ukraine wanted more Soviet atonomy. So kruschev in a drunken stooper handed Crimea and the sea of azoz to them. Also much of the eastern portion of the country is actually ethnically Russian. Not "ethnically Russian" like the mongol who settled in Siberia. But actually ethnically Russian. While much of the western portion of the country had been a independent principality and initially an independent nation for a couple years after the great war until the Soviet union absorbed them in again. The people in the western portion harbor more resentment towards them as they suffered especially brutally under the holdomor while the Nazis were seen as liberator's to quite a few ukranians who bore the brunt of oppression after the soviets took control.
Post 1991 forces within western Ukraine wanted to push from Russians as much as was feasibly possible in order to get away. The giving away of nukes was under the idea that Either NATO would let them join or they would have a democratic Russia that would resepct their national sovereignty. But Russia still kept the country under it's grip.
Strix454 said:
That is total bullshit. Iraq and Afghanistan were full of lost equipment, massive fuck-ups and speed running into failures from start to finish. There was nothing that happened at the
end of either war that wasn't going on constantly from the start of those wars.
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The actual casualty rate for the invasion was very low. I think the worst fighting during the war was when the Iraqis overwhelmed a US convoy. There was a story that the US convoy attack was a US psyop and it didn't happen. This was propagated by Al Jazeera back in the Days when they used to be edgier then memri TV. Like I don't even think more then a hundred people were killed in the initial invasion and casualties we're under a 1000. This is from the initial invasion to Dubyas mission complete speech.
 
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War is no excuse for harsh language.
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Day 6. The Ukrainian front has irretrievably collapsed.

The Russian army is bypassing the major urban centres, leaving them in the hands of Zelensky's pro-NATO units, to strike in depth.

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The main facts of the day:
  • Zelensky's pro-NATO troops are unable to take the strategic initiative and are retreating or being overrun everywhere
  • The Russian army has established its air superiority over the whole of Ukraine
  • The Russian strategic north/south pincer is rapidly closing
  • The siege of Kiev is accelerating
  • The Russian army is now deep in western Ukraine, in the centre of the country (Vinnitsa region), on the left bank of the Dnieper
  • With the imminent fall of Mariupol on the Sea of Azov, the Russians are about to create a continuous front from Kiev to Kherson
  • All Ukrainian units in the Donbass are subject to a major encirclement manoeuvre in their rear (through Poltava - Dnepro in the north, through Zaporizhia in the south), the aim of which is to destroy all Ukrainian forces in the eastern half of the country

Northern axis (Kiev / Chernihiv)
A massive quantity of equipment from Belarus is transported by the Russian army around Kiev.

A convoy more than 60 kilometres long heading towards the capital was photographed by Western satellites.

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The Russian army has not launched a massive frontal assault on the capital so far, contenting itself with testing the enemy's position with scouts.

Further north, in Chernihiv, the last elements of pro-NATO troops are being methodically annihilated.

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Eastern axis (Sumy / Kharkov)
The city of Kharkov is surrounded, fighting is taking place on the outskirts of the city.

A recruitment centre was destroyed by a Russian raid.

Eastern axis (Donbass)
A Russian breakthrough north of Luhansk has taken place, the junction in the west with the Russian forces in Crimea is achieved.

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Southern axis (Odessa / Mariupol)
Movement towards the Donbass
The junction of Donbass and Crimea is achieved.

The port of Mariupol, on the Sea of Azov, is surrounded by the Russian army and its capture is announced for today, but it could take another day.

An explosion on the city's perimeter.

Movement towards Odessa
The city of Kherson is completely surrounded.

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Smity Werbenjagermanjensen said:
This is the thing that proves Russia underestimated Ukraine, Putin probably got himself to think that because Crimea welcomed the annexation for the most part it meant that the same would apply to most of Ukraine to at least some extent. And this is almost certainly from southern or eastern Ukraine, the place that's supposed to be the most sympathetic to Russia.

Moral of the story, don't judge a single region and apply it to the whole country.
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If nations understood this rule their would be no war.
 
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