Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Bold&Brash]

this theory that economic pressure alone will break a countrys will to resist is completely unfounded. liberal capitalists think it works because to them the economy is the only thing in the world that matters, and they think everybody else thinks like them as well, but in reality not many people think that way.

Modern Russia is not a collectivist state 'tho

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Might have been posted via a screenshot, but couldn't find it with keywords, so just in case:

Gazprom Paves Way to New China Gas Deal as Sanctions Hit Russia​

Gazprom PJSC took a new step toward potentially its biggest-ever natural gas supply deal with China as nations around the world sever economic and political ties with Russia over the country’s invasion of Ukraine.

The Russian gas giant signed a contract to design the Soyuz Vostok pipeline across Mongolia toward China, Gazprom said in a statement. If Russia reaches a new supply agreement with China, Soyuz Vostok will carry as much as 50 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year to the Asian nation.

A new supply deal with China would also enable Gazprom to build an interconnector between its west- and eastbound pipeline systems, effectively allowing Russia to redirect gas toward China from fields that now only feed Europe. That could ease Gazprom’s reliance on the European continent, currently the single-largest buyer of Russian gas.

The pipeline-design contract comes as the European Union and the U.S., joined by countries such as the U.K., Canada and Japan, put unprecedented pressure on Russia after President Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion of neighboring Ukraine. Sweeping sanctions are limiting Russia’s ability to import key technology, tap foreign debt markets and even to access much of the $640 billion the country built up as a buffer to protect the economy.

While Russian energy exports remain unaffected at this stage of the war, Europe has been exploring options to wean itself off Gazprom’s deliveries.

Gazprom has been in talks to deliver gas to China via Mongolia for several years.

“Today, the design contract has been signed, this means that the project has moved to the stage of practical implementation,” Gazprom Chief Executive Officer Alexey Miller said of the Soyuz Vostok link. The statement didn’t give any details of progress on supply talks with China.

In 2014, Gazprom signed a 30-year, $400-billion deal to directly supply as much as 38 billion cubic meters of gas per year to China via the Power of Siberia gas link, where deliveries started in late 2019. In recent months, when Gazprom’s flows to Europe have been limited, shipments to China were regularly above daily contract volumes.

At the start of February, Russia reached a smaller gas deal with China for 25-year direct supplies of as much as 10 billion cubic meters per year from fields in the Far East.

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If the EU and Brandon are able to maintain the sanctions, Putin doesn't have time to wait for the gas line to China. Unless he's willing to come up with an economy where people don't get paid. Venezuela is an oil rich country with other natural resources. See how they're doing once their money became worthless.

 

[The Ugly One]

this theory that economic pressure alone will break a countrys will to resist is completely unfounded. liberal capitalists think it works because to them the economy is the only thing in the world that matters, and they think everybody else thinks like them as well, but in reality not many people think that way.

Same reasoning behind why people think that countries that have always placed a high priority on not being dominated by the USA will knuckle under and embargo Russia because we threaten to reduce our sugar imports by half or something.

If the EU and Brandon are able to maintain the sanctions, Putin doesn't have time to wait for the gas line to China. Unless he's willing to come up with an economy where people don't get paid. Venezuela is an oil rich country with other natural resources. See how they're doing once their money became worthless.

Venezuela is broke because Chavez stole billions of dollars, didn't invest anything in improving the oil industry, and outright paid people to not work, figuring that oil prices would rise forever, and the whole country could just live off the proceeds. If your leadership isn't absolutely buttfuck stupid and doesn't do something truly moronic, like try and institute communism, you can live fine off trading with the world outside the USA.

 

[Emperor Pupienus]

Didn't the Russians ban their kids from being adopted from internationals after some gay Aussie pedos raped a Russian kid?

Yes.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Top Russians are fags and alleged pedos. If anything, they're reserving the local market for themselves.

And this isn't true for muttistan?

 

[ZMOT]

Yes it was a gamble, but an insanely dangerous one which has overreached. If Putin had settled at expelling Ukraine from Donetsk and Lugansk and kept them independent before their incorporation, he'd face nowhere near the international force. He'd even have a chance to win Ukrainian hearts and minds. But he wanted it all. And all he's going to get is the economic crippling of his own country and a shitty satellite state that will constantly revolt whenever it needs to. Although hey, Putin is old, he'll die soon, that'll be someone else's problem.

except that wouldn't have solved the problem of having a country in his backyard being run by someone who pretty much said last month "let me into nato or I'm getting nukes on my own". if he just wanted the eastern part he could've just supported them unofficially till they got their independence one way or another, there wouldn't been much reason to cross the border.

or imagine it like this, mexico is suddenly pushing towards the belt & road and threatening to get nukes, what do you expect to happen?

 

[Kane Lives]

If the EU and Brandon are able to maintain the sanctions, Putin doesn't have time to wait for the gas line to China. Unless he's willing to come up with an economy where people don't get paid. Venezuela is an oil rich country with other natural resources. See how they're doing once their money became worthless.

I mean, he has time. They aren't sanctioning RUS' oil and gas yet.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Bush vs Guardian: 1–0 - Griffith Review

IT STARTED AS “a quixotic idea dreamed up last month in a north London pub”, wrote Ian Katz, feature editor at the Guardian newspaper and mastermind behind Operation Clark County. The idea was to reduce President George W. Bush’s vote in the November 2004 election by persuading Americans in an...

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That sounds like electoral interference, what they claim Russia does but what these inbred imbeciles freely admit to.

 

[Saleh]

Holy shit you spergs, have your hatefuck in PMs or something, I'm trying to watch the war.

Just put your your cursor on their profiles and click ignore.

And UM: the thread increases in quality tenfold.

 

[Übertroon]

 

[Richardface]

Doing so (getting Ukraine to join the EU) would require breaking their own rules. It would also exhibit desperation in the EU's side.

I really don't see what its meant to achieve either other than the first annexation of an EU state or the first EU state whose government is controlled by a non EU one

 

[BradCarter]

Russian sources are reporting Ukrainians stabbed a Belarusian truck driver to death for being Belarusian. Could potentially be a casus belli for Belarus to invade

 

[Coccxys]

Ukraine going full butthurt over all of this now thinks getting russian drivers banned from racing is a winning strategy.

 

[ZMOT]

You know, that would have been a much more sensible request to make before turning the entire world against you. Hell, that could have been the play: "I won't bitch about Ukraine joining NATO if America gets the nukes out of Europe".

and then they move them out, ukraine becomes a nato state, then they move them back in.

now what?

 

[Sho'nuff]

THE GLOW IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE THREAD!!!!!
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The fuck you trying to say?

 

[Richardface]

Ukraine going full butthurt over all of this now thinks getting russian drivers banned from racing is a winning strategy.

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This war is going to be the first test of cancellation power vs kinetic military power

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Ok, I am waiting for the confirmation, but it seems that the authorities in Chernigov mined all the roads that lead in and out of a town. Town's mayor said "if you don't get it - all the roads are mined, meaning they have mines and you can explode if you try to leave the town" i.e. "fuck you if you want to evacuate, you pieces of shit". We have Battle Royale in Kyiv, Among Us in Kharkiv and now Minesweeper in Chernigov.

 

[Dieu]

The Ghost of Kiev, the birth of a legend

The main role will be played by the young rising star of Swedish cinema, Pépita Koné-Cohen.

Synopsis:
DeeJack, a 19-year-old Eritrean transsexual, leaves the United States to escape the oppression he experienced during the events of Black Live Matters, to join Igor, his Jewish companion living in Kiev.
Igor is HIV positive and dies of covid.
It is then that war breaks out.
Upset, crushed but determined, DeeJack decides to fight for the values of progress against Russian obscurantism and trains relentlessly on Flight Simulator and FlightRadar24 for 2 weeks, then joins the resistance.
Because of his courage and talent, he is given an F16.
17 Russian planes, 9000 Putin's soldiers and 11 convoys shot down later, the capture of Kiev is prevented, the Ghost of Kiev was born.

 

[Dave_Ph]

The former Morning Zoo girl on CNN is going over what weapons should be used against the Russian convoy.
You know how cool the visiting expert is by how many times they say "Kinetic"

Morning Joe says Putin is targeting children and hospitals.
Ukie guest says Ukues are staying expecting the US to save them. If it weren't for the US they would have left.

Ukie diplomat 'you dont have to shoot planes down'. Planes can be pulled down by "magnetic pull".
What the actual fuck

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Are we even worth nuking? All we got left is farmland.

Maybe they'll nuke you if Ungvár becomes Magyar again.

no they won't.

soviet union was much more isolated than russia is today. soviet people still didn't turn on their leaders.
china under mao was much more isolated than russia is today, chinks still didn't turn on their leaders.
north korea right now is much more isolated than russia, still nobody is turning on their leaders.
to a certain extent, iran as well.

this theory that economic pressure alone will break a countrys will to resist is completely unfounded. liberal capitalists think it works because to them the economy is the only thing in the world that matters, and they think everybody else thinks like them as well, but in reality not many people think that way.

It's a matter of what the citizens expect. Russian citizens have enjoyed a rise in living standards under Putin compared to the collapse of the Yeltsin years. China under Mao wasn't too much different from China under the Republic of China where Chiang killed like 1 million Chinese through a manmade flood in a failed attempt to stop the Japanese or burnt down a city and killed 50K more Chinese. People put up with famine and Mao mass murdering people, even if he was worse than Chiang.

Now North Korea did collapse in living standards in the 90s and faced actual revolts, but Kim Jong-il crushed them and spewed propaganda like "Arduous March." That's Putin's fate--or his successor's.

Note that this theory is a tenet of political science, proven by the French Revolution (10+ years of bad harvests and overtaxation), Russian Revolution, etc.