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Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority
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Damn, gotta respect that actually.
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Didn't that guy have a rifle in Afghanistan too? Then I read he was a student, I thought mercenary more likely... who knows
That rifle in his pictures does not look very Ukrainian/Russian to me (maybe special forces can bring their own, still...).
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Was this "Magomed Tushayev" guy ever confirmed as real? There's literally 0 evidence of his existence online that isn't from small blog sources, and there's only a few mentions of him that are 3 days old. The only photo of him is a close up photo of some random Kadyrov's men. His date of birth is also confusing, some sources say 1986, others 1970 and so on.
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Resident Twitter-Autist Andy Ngo inadvertently pointing out that if we didn't have propaganda news, we would have no news.
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Bentley traveled to Russia in December of 2014, nearly a year after the country had annexed Crimea.
Before, Bentley had held a number of roles in the US, including being an Army engineer, a marijuana legalization activist, a drug trafficker, and in 1992, Bentley ran for the US House of Representatives in Minnesota as a "grassroots" nominee.
When he first arrived in Donetsk, in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, he reportedly settled into a unit called Sut’ Vremeni, or "Essence of Time," a Stalinist communist movement, according to the Texas Monthly.
In June of 2015, his unit was transferred to a special forces battalion, and with his age, Bentley would not be suited for his new role.
Instead, Bentley became what he calls an "information warrior," creating English-spoken media from the Russian lines.
Liberal super PAC spreads false claim a 'Republican from Texas' is aiding Russia in Ukraine—he's a communist
Medias Touch retweeted a video that shows Russell "Texas" Bentley III speaking "on the frontlines" of the war between the two nations. They falsely labeled him a "Republican from Texas."
Before, Bentley had held a number of roles in the US, including being an Army engineer, a marijuana legalization activist, a drug trafficker, and in 1992, Bentley ran for the US House of Representatives in Minnesota as a "grassroots" nominee.
When he first arrived in Donetsk, in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, he reportedly settled into a unit called Sut’ Vremeni, or "Essence of Time," a Stalinist communist movement, according to the Texas Monthly.
In June of 2015, his unit was transferred to a special forces battalion, and with his age, Bentley would not be suited for his new role.
Instead, Bentley became what he calls an "information warrior," creating English-spoken media from the Russian lines.
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Well, here we go. It's now or never folks!
Right at this moment it feels as if we are in the eye of the storm, except the tail end of it is gonna sting far more than the first part of it, like a scorpion.
I've been following the thread here and at a few other places, taking it all in. Too sick of all the propaganda and being taken in so no comment from me, just keeping my ear to the ground listening to the all-round chatter. It seems we do really have an unstoppable force versus immovable object scenario going on here. Putin's playing poker, the West are playing chess and everyone else is playing catch up.
The fog of war has been more than that this time around. I guess it had to be so. No one has come out of this looking good. But why should they? Russia has maintained radio silence pretty much up to now with things slowly starting to leak, still, good opsec all round. The Ukies have just been treating this like a giant virtue signal with outright demonstrably proven lies. At least, 3 days later, they are demonstrated to be lies. Who knows, maybe in another 3 days they will say those keeping that little island really did say FUCK YOU RUSSIANS and got vaporised for their bravado. It's all so tiresome.
I don't have a horse in this race. I understand why Putin has done what he has done. That doesn't mean to say I 100 percent agree with his methods. To paraphrase a line from Apocalypse Now, when the Martin Sheen character is first told about his mission and given a quick brief on Colonel Kurtz: His methods are unsound! Yes, unsound sir, absolutely...
But it's realpolitik now. It should have been before, but that rabbit has jumped the trap. No time for fantasy island and dilly-dallying and tip-toeing through the tulips. Shit is about to get real. How real remains to be seen, but this is probably the most decisive part of the battle that is really a war. Hopefully not WWWIII but that remains to be seen as well.
The chatter over at sites like arrse (and they do provide some excellent updates that I've not seen even posted here) is that the Ukies are really holding their ground against those mean nasty Ruskies. It's got more polarised over there the last day or two, and that's to be expected. It may be the (un)official British Army/Navy/Air Force website, but you can glean a lot, as much from the propaganda as anything else, and boy has it been flowing thick over there. It's ok, they got their opsec and persec to take care of, and even though this fight doesn't necessarily involve the UK at the moment, we are involved to an extent. Boris was in Poland today giving a rousing speech apparently. He's playing Churchill to Putin's Hitler.
The losses that the Ukies have inflicted on the Ruskies is very very credible according to them. The Ukies are not just winning the propaganda war, but they are also winning the actual war if they are to be believed. You see, the Ruskies aren't just evil, everyone knows that, but they are incompetent as well. There is a very good chance of the Ukies winning this war even if they have to lose a few battles first. And besides, Putin is insane, he is on steroids for his cancer and this is the last hurrah of a maniac determined to go down in history. Kind of thing. Who knows, maybe they are half-right?
Another thing that seems to be happening, and even though it is said by another source to be not happening again, only to suddenly be happening again (it's all so tiresome), is the fact that the Ukies now have access to 70 airframes. And it would seem not just the typical Eastern Bloc Migs and Sukhois, but F-16's as well which the Ukie fighter pilots are being trained on at this very moment as we speak.
In fact, when people asked if Poland providing the majority of these airframes would not get punished as Putin already promised they would be, they said as much as "We are calling his bluff - we know he won't do shit about it, but it remains to be seen and it's our time to bluff now". That's why I said the 'West' are playing Chess. It's not 5D Chess, but it's a play or two further than the "Call my bluff" that Putin is playing. Really in reality, Putin's game is more like Checkers. But enough of these analogies. People don't usually die in these games, but a lot more people are about to die in the next 48 hours than all the time leading up to these events so far.
It seems to me listening to this chatter (and I'm probably very wrong) that the West is laying the groundwork for plausible deniability. Yes, Putin knows they aren't just providing logistics, they are actively arming his enemy, and more than that, he knows that yeah probably an SAS or Pathfinder team or two are already on the ground. But he's not had his bluff called and therefore his ego is still ok with that as long as he's winning - no one has publicly rubbed his nose in it. He's bluffed about as far as he can and he knows he is losing the wider propaganda war.
Putin is in a very difficult situation because if he escalates, it better be good. At best now I think he can only win a pyrrhic victory. At worst (and if he really is ill and all out for glory) he calls the bluff and maybe even decides to use a tactical nuke should the West get involved (and he loses face), then it may even be the case that he gets 'neutralised' by his own side because they don't want world war fucking III either. Those people in power don't care about the grunts on the ground but they have pretty nice lives all the same. Who knows, maybe they even love their children and want to see them grow up in a better world.
So the world is watching. Do we all just stand by and watch Kiev get Grozny'd to hell and back again? Do we some how find a way to diplomatically involve a credible counter-attack that can stop all this madness and nip it in the bud. After all, world opinion and not just twitter is on our side. That convoy is a sitting duck to NATO's air capabilities. It could very easily be made short work of. Maybe. The Ruskies still have pretty capable Anti-Aircraft themselves, probably the best in the world. But against 70 new aircraft? And also with the element of surprise. Anything can happen now and in the next 48 hours.
Never mind the boots on the ground, and never mind all those shiny new weapons the world is donating to the Ukies. They have to get them in country first. Although I'm sure they are on the way, they will only be for attrition if Putin orders his men to Grozny and obliterate even a part of Kiev. Victory will be swift in that case. Well, a kind of victory. In reality, the ante will just have been upped and the war effort displaced to a longer guerilla type of affair. Putin has one chance to shock and awe them Ukies in to obedience and if he doesn't take it now, it only gets harder for him optics wise. This is absolutely the most crucial part of the conflict so far.
I'll stick my neck out and say that I think the Ukies are going to suddenly get a lot of new air capability very quickly and they will use that to immobilise the train that the Ruskies are about to pull on Kiev's bot-bot.
How Putin deals with this, I don't know. It may even lose him the war. Then again it may just prolong the inevitable and more people will die as they are dragged in to a wider, longer war that no one can win, but everyone will take another 10-20 years out of their life trying to do so.
At what point does bravery and valiancy just become counter-productive and you end up like the Knight in that Monty Python sketch? The Ukies have already saved face no matter what happens now. If Putin is about to bomb them back to the stone age, well, no one will blame them for cutting a deal.
But if Putin does not do that for any reason, the Ukies will keep on fighting I feel, because this is their homeground. It's everything to win and everything to lose for them. Putin is playing an away game here, to use a sportsball analogy. But all the same, the stakes are equivalent: it's everything to win and everything to lose for him as well. His very survival depends on winning this battle/war. And winning it in a way that won't isolate Russia further and make it even more of a pariah state than it already is and is about to become.
Yes, I understand why he did this. No, it's not good that he's not really been given a way out and the sanctions may do as much harm as help. As much as for us as for him. And let's not even get in to the energy/gas issue right now. But he's also got to take responsibility for upping the ante with all his nuclear game talk. Who knows, maybe he even is in the right, in some kind of perverse way.
All this shit is moot though, because in the coming hours, not just Putin, but the whole rest of the world pretty much, is going to have to shit or get off the pot. And what makes this dilemma and stand-off so exquisite, is that no matter what either side does now, the shit is still going to hit the fan, and no one side can 'win' in any meaningful sense.
Hopefully, if things do have to go nuclear, and half of humanity is exterminated, well, won't it all have been worth it for our children, for this to finally be the war that ends all wars?
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one either at this point.
I've been following the thread here and at a few other places, taking it all in. Too sick of all the propaganda and being taken in so no comment from me, just keeping my ear to the ground listening to the all-round chatter. It seems we do really have an unstoppable force versus immovable object scenario going on here. Putin's playing poker, the West are playing chess and everyone else is playing catch up.
The fog of war has been more than that this time around. I guess it had to be so. No one has come out of this looking good. But why should they? Russia has maintained radio silence pretty much up to now with things slowly starting to leak, still, good opsec all round. The Ukies have just been treating this like a giant virtue signal with outright demonstrably proven lies. At least, 3 days later, they are demonstrated to be lies. Who knows, maybe in another 3 days they will say those keeping that little island really did say FUCK YOU RUSSIANS and got vaporised for their bravado. It's all so tiresome.
I don't have a horse in this race. I understand why Putin has done what he has done. That doesn't mean to say I 100 percent agree with his methods. To paraphrase a line from Apocalypse Now, when the Martin Sheen character is first told about his mission and given a quick brief on Colonel Kurtz: His methods are unsound! Yes, unsound sir, absolutely...
But it's realpolitik now. It should have been before, but that rabbit has jumped the trap. No time for fantasy island and dilly-dallying and tip-toeing through the tulips. Shit is about to get real. How real remains to be seen, but this is probably the most decisive part of the battle that is really a war. Hopefully not WWWIII but that remains to be seen as well.
The chatter over at sites like arrse (and they do provide some excellent updates that I've not seen even posted here) is that the Ukies are really holding their ground against those mean nasty Ruskies. It's got more polarised over there the last day or two, and that's to be expected. It may be the (un)official British Army/Navy/Air Force website, but you can glean a lot, as much from the propaganda as anything else, and boy has it been flowing thick over there. It's ok, they got their opsec and persec to take care of, and even though this fight doesn't necessarily involve the UK at the moment, we are involved to an extent. Boris was in Poland today giving a rousing speech apparently. He's playing Churchill to Putin's Hitler.
The losses that the Ukies have inflicted on the Ruskies is very very credible according to them. The Ukies are not just winning the propaganda war, but they are also winning the actual war if they are to be believed. You see, the Ruskies aren't just evil, everyone knows that, but they are incompetent as well. There is a very good chance of the Ukies winning this war even if they have to lose a few battles first. And besides, Putin is insane, he is on steroids for his cancer and this is the last hurrah of a maniac determined to go down in history. Kind of thing. Who knows, maybe they are half-right?
Another thing that seems to be happening, and even though it is said by another source to be not happening again, only to suddenly be happening again (it's all so tiresome), is the fact that the Ukies now have access to 70 airframes. And it would seem not just the typical Eastern Bloc Migs and Sukhois, but F-16's as well which the Ukie fighter pilots are being trained on at this very moment as we speak.
In fact, when people asked if Poland providing the majority of these airframes would not get punished as Putin already promised they would be, they said as much as "We are calling his bluff - we know he won't do shit about it, but it remains to be seen and it's our time to bluff now". That's why I said the 'West' are playing Chess. It's not 5D Chess, but it's a play or two further than the "Call my bluff" that Putin is playing. Really in reality, Putin's game is more like Checkers. But enough of these analogies. People don't usually die in these games, but a lot more people are about to die in the next 48 hours than all the time leading up to these events so far.
It seems to me listening to this chatter (and I'm probably very wrong) that the West is laying the groundwork for plausible deniability. Yes, Putin knows they aren't just providing logistics, they are actively arming his enemy, and more than that, he knows that yeah probably an SAS or Pathfinder team or two are already on the ground. But he's not had his bluff called and therefore his ego is still ok with that as long as he's winning - no one has publicly rubbed his nose in it. He's bluffed about as far as he can and he knows he is losing the wider propaganda war.
Putin is in a very difficult situation because if he escalates, it better be good. At best now I think he can only win a pyrrhic victory. At worst (and if he really is ill and all out for glory) he calls the bluff and maybe even decides to use a tactical nuke should the West get involved (and he loses face), then it may even be the case that he gets 'neutralised' by his own side because they don't want world war fucking III either. Those people in power don't care about the grunts on the ground but they have pretty nice lives all the same. Who knows, maybe they even love their children and want to see them grow up in a better world.
So the world is watching. Do we all just stand by and watch Kiev get Grozny'd to hell and back again? Do we some how find a way to diplomatically involve a credible counter-attack that can stop all this madness and nip it in the bud. After all, world opinion and not just twitter is on our side. That convoy is a sitting duck to NATO's air capabilities. It could very easily be made short work of. Maybe. The Ruskies still have pretty capable Anti-Aircraft themselves, probably the best in the world. But against 70 new aircraft? And also with the element of surprise. Anything can happen now and in the next 48 hours.
Never mind the boots on the ground, and never mind all those shiny new weapons the world is donating to the Ukies. They have to get them in country first. Although I'm sure they are on the way, they will only be for attrition if Putin orders his men to Grozny and obliterate even a part of Kiev. Victory will be swift in that case. Well, a kind of victory. In reality, the ante will just have been upped and the war effort displaced to a longer guerilla type of affair. Putin has one chance to shock and awe them Ukies in to obedience and if he doesn't take it now, it only gets harder for him optics wise. This is absolutely the most crucial part of the conflict so far.
I'll stick my neck out and say that I think the Ukies are going to suddenly get a lot of new air capability very quickly and they will use that to immobilise the train that the Ruskies are about to pull on Kiev's bot-bot.
How Putin deals with this, I don't know. It may even lose him the war. Then again it may just prolong the inevitable and more people will die as they are dragged in to a wider, longer war that no one can win, but everyone will take another 10-20 years out of their life trying to do so.
At what point does bravery and valiancy just become counter-productive and you end up like the Knight in that Monty Python sketch? The Ukies have already saved face no matter what happens now. If Putin is about to bomb them back to the stone age, well, no one will blame them for cutting a deal.
But if Putin does not do that for any reason, the Ukies will keep on fighting I feel, because this is their homeground. It's everything to win and everything to lose for them. Putin is playing an away game here, to use a sportsball analogy. But all the same, the stakes are equivalent: it's everything to win and everything to lose for him as well. His very survival depends on winning this battle/war. And winning it in a way that won't isolate Russia further and make it even more of a pariah state than it already is and is about to become.
Yes, I understand why he did this. No, it's not good that he's not really been given a way out and the sanctions may do as much harm as help. As much as for us as for him. And let's not even get in to the energy/gas issue right now. But he's also got to take responsibility for upping the ante with all his nuclear game talk. Who knows, maybe he even is in the right, in some kind of perverse way.
All this shit is moot though, because in the coming hours, not just Putin, but the whole rest of the world pretty much, is going to have to shit or get off the pot. And what makes this dilemma and stand-off so exquisite, is that no matter what either side does now, the shit is still going to hit the fan, and no one side can 'win' in any meaningful sense.
Hopefully, if things do have to go nuclear, and half of humanity is exterminated, well, won't it all have been worth it for our children, for this to finally be the war that ends all wars?
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one either at this point.
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Yeah, for one thing, it involves the personal bank account of the President of the United States and his son.
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I'm not white supremacist, just anti-semitic, but got damn these guys are ascended. They've left the matrix. Holy shit.
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Cool. Be sure to keep us up to date on every single stream-of-consciousness thought you have.
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The rising oil and gas prices skyrocketing and the reaction of those aforementioned fucknuts makes me scramble for new words to show my disdain. What's a word that means the same thing as if a marxist called someone a decadent bourgeoise? Because they're that, though I don't want to adopt marxist lexicon
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Only on KF would a user named Sarcastic Niggerman argue with a user named Niggaplease over the use of nuclear weapons against Russia. This is why I'm on this site.
Given the amount of virtue signaling about Ukraine from women on twitter we should just call it Queeif
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Some of us call them "conspicuous consumers." The LARPers and progressives are well hated here.
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Less giant autistic wall of text, more videos from said other forum that we missed, of blown up bodies and the like. Holy hell man. I read the first few paragraphs and the last two, and you could have just kept it at that.
Less giant autistic wall of text, more videos from said other forum that we missed, of blown up bodies and the like. Holy hell man. I read the first few paragraphs and the last two, and you could have just kept it at that.
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Ahhh I see what you did there Axios:Apparently Ukraine CANNOT make disinformaiton.
Page screenshot ar achive is slow:
Page screenshot ar achive is slow:
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I propose we call it Knib. It's the closest thing to the actual Ukrainian spelling, Київ.
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The recording is weird. Multiple FM radios would be heterodyning or one would capture. But on the recording you hear layers like multiple SSB signals. And the loud Ukrainian guy is wide band audio like the recording source is from his side. And there are splices.
I am going with another LARP.
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I deleted my comment because it derails from this thread too much. Excuse my typo and unwillingness to indulge in useless sparring and dick-measuring contests over which jingoistic state has enjoyed the most success.
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