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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Even through nukes didn't exist in the 1930s if they did I'm pretty sure actions would have been different and history would certainly have been different.
If this was the 1930s or 40s, before the age of nukes, we'd roll into Russia guns blazing, and we'd probably turn Moscow into the next Dresden.

Old-school America can be really cold to its enemies. You think these sanctions are bad? We turned entire cities and population centers into cinders. The Russian people are lucky that the America of the old days is gone and they can hide behind their nukes. If that wasn't the case, the already-dwindling Russian population will be downsized dramatically.
 
But by the sametoken you cannot allow a nuclear armed mobster to extort theworld tosimply steal what he wishes.
Sometimes the world brings you into hard places saddly.
If this was the 1930s or 40s, before the age of nukes, we'd roll into Russia guns blazing, and we'd probably turn Moscow into the next Dresden.

Old-school America can be really cold to its enemies. You think these sanctions are bad? We turned entire cities and population centers into cinders.
Oh no if it was the 30s and 40s before nukes. I'm sure America would invade Russia head on just like Japan after Peral Harbor. But suddenly things change drastically in war combat after nukes were introduced.
 
And it's obvious that China doesn't want to ditch Russia. But at the same time they relaize they don't want to burn their bridges with all the eroupen countries as well. Hence why they want peace talks
Russia is also telling Institutional investors to get *****. If this situation happened with China things would be much much worse
 
But by the sametoken you cannot allow a nuclear armed mobster to extort theworld tosimply steal what he wishes.
There is no other option when dealing with a nuclear power.
The moment the first projectile flies, it starts a chain reaction of escalations that lead to nuclear strikes.

There literally is no other course of action and the western countries are already taking a huge risk with convoys of weapons into Ukraine.
Russia blasting a convoy or one of those guards shooting a Russian will lead to horrifying consequences.
 
Some people are thinking the sanctions won't work to change the Russian politic, using Cuba, NK, and Iran as examples. But I disagree, all of those countries are not kleptocracy like Russia is, and neither of them are so open/influenced with the Western goods/culture as Russia is. If the sanctions hit the people hard, the Oligarchs must be hit harder since they're personally being targeted by the West. Even Abramovich is going on a bit of panic

And with the military's might and reputation being humiliated on the global level, I'm willing to bet some people in the military are losing their confidence in Putin. This is a recipe for a disaster for Putin whose rule over the country is based on stability after Yeltsin's era, no wonder he's retreating himself to a bunker or a hideout
 
If this was the 1930s or 40s, before the age of nukes, we'd roll into Russia guns blazing, and we'd probably turn Moscow into the next Dresden.

Old-school America can be really cold to its enemies. You think these sanctions are bad? We turned entire cities and population centers into cinders. The Russian people are lucky that the America of the old days is gone and they can hide behind their nukes. If that wasn't the case, the already-dwindling Russian population will be downsized dramatically.
Based on intelligence and what we’ve seen so far; does Russia even have working nukes?

What i’m wondering is when is everyone (the west) going to drop the pretense and just say what the situation is: we’re at war with Russia.

Their economy has essentially been vaporized due to sanctions, we’re sending billions of dollars worth of military equipment to Ukrainians; who are going to use it to kill Russian soldiers. At this point does it even matter who’s pulling the trigger or flying the fighter jet?
 
There is no other option when dealing with a nuclear power.
The moment the first projectile flies, it starts a chain reaction of escalations that lead to nuclear strikes.

There literally is no other course of action and the western countries are already taking a huge risk with convoys of weapons into Ukraine.
Russia blasting a convoy or one of those guards shooting a Russian will lead to horrifying consequences.
Some people are thinking the sanctions won't work to change the Russian politic, using Cuba, NK, and Iran as examples. But I disagree, all of those countries are not kleptocracy like Russia is, and neither of them are so open/influenced with the Western goods/culture as Russia is. If the sanctions hit the people hard, the Oligarchs must be hit harder since they're personally being targeted by the West. Even Abramovich is going on a bit of panic

And with the military's might and reputation being humiliated on the global level, I'm willing to bet some people in the military are losing their confidence in Putin. This is a recipe for a disaster for Putin whose rule over the country is based on stability after Yeltsin's era, no wonder he's retreating himself to a bunker or a hideout

Russia starting this invasion in the first place is already leading to horrifying consequences, for everyone involved. Russia's economy is getting blasted back to the Dark Ages, both sides are readying their nukes, innocent Ukrainians who wanted nothing to do with this are getting blown to bits, poor Russian boys who got tricked into signing on to the military are getting thrown into a war they don't want, and Russia as a power is being humiliated for the world to see, and all of it is Putin's fault.

He really should just step down and go to an Orthodox monastery. I hear Mount Athos is a lovely place to retire to. He can spend his days drawing icons until the end of his natural life.

Based on intelligence and what we’ve seen so far; does Russia even have working nukes?

What i’m wondering is when is everyone (the west) going to drop the pretense and just say what the situation is: we’re at war with Russia.

Their economy has essentially been vaporized due to sanctions, we’re sending billions of dollars worth of military equipment to Ukrainians; who are going to use it to kill Russian soldiers. At this point does it even matter who’s pulling the trigger or flying the fighter jet?
I wouldn't be surprised if their nukes are as reliable as North Korea's. As I said before, they have a smaller yearly budget than New York State. Hard to believe you can keep nukes and ICBMs in tip-top shape with that kind of budget when you're also supplying a large army that has to hold a territory several times larger than America.
 
Based on intelligence and what we’ve seen so far; does Russia even have working nukes?

What i’m wondering is when is everyone (the west) going to drop the pretense and just say what the situation is: we’re at war with Russia.

Their economy has essentially been vaporized due to sanctions, we’re sending billions of dollars worth of military equipment to Ukrainians; who are going to use it to kill Russian soldiers. At this point does it even matter who’s pulling the trigger or flying the fighter jet?
They only need one.
 
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There is no other option when dealing with a nuclear power.
The moment the first projectile flies, it starts a chain reaction of escalations that lead to nuclear strikes.

There literally is no other course of action and the western countries are already taking a huge risk with convoys of weapons into Ukraine.
Russia blasting a convoy or one of those guards shooting a Russian will lead to horrifying consequences.
Or Russia blowing up an Embassy
 
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I mean we all know Russia has the budget of like texas and it is kind of expensive to keep and maintain thousands of fissile missiles at ready status but fuck who wants to roll those dice?
I am probably the most pro ukie dude not from the area but this is like ethan ralph after he got his purse stolen in portugal. You can either chase the dude and hope you don’t get your ass beat by four foreigners (he did) or fight another day. WE CANNOT SAVE UKRAINE NOW with force. That doesn’t mean things can’t be set in motion to hopefully save them later.
 
There is no other option when dealing with a nuclear power.
We fought a cold war with essentially the same nuclear power for decades. We have ways of dealing with nuclear powers. They're not 100% effective and it takes years or decades for them to have any real effect, but that's grand strategy for you.

They only need one.
Detonating one nuke isn't a deterrence, it's a suicide note left by whoever detonated it.
 
The very idea that the nukes Russia have might not be as powerful as we thought, if they still exist at all, is a scary thing to think about considering the implications it would have on the global scale. I don't even want to think about it because it will change everything we know of in terms of diplomacy and politics

Also regarding my example of sanction-hit countries, I just remembered those countries only managed to survive by circumventing the sanctions by trading with, you guess it, Russia and China. With Russia's economy tanking, this will also affects those countries as well. No wonder China is pushin for peace, they can't afford to lose Russia as an ally
 
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is entering a new phase, promising a more deadly time ahead for the country’s civilians and its remarkably determined army, according to western military officials.

Early signs are that Russian commanders are abandoning the approach that marked the first days of the conflict, in which they relied on lightning strikes into cities they assumed would be half-heartedly defended, the officials said, according to a report by the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War.

After multiple failures, officials from the US and allied nations expect Russia to use more indiscriminate tactics to suppress resistance.

After pausing to regroup and draw new assets into place around the capital, the ISW expects Russian forces to relaunch their attack on the capital, Kyiv. The new phase is thought to play out over several days.
By The Guardian
 
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