Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

This mainly comes down to packaging, easier to just use WMD and let people think nukklur instead of the real issues with it. Can't blame them for pushing nuclear instead of trying to explain to people who were having a hard enough time understanding war with gas countries means more gas price.

Ultimately Saddam had wmds and more importantly had the capability of deploying munitions and that shit was still laying around. Of course I know that the weapons and warheads they had didn't match up (but why would you keep that shit if you weren't thinking about using it), but part of the Gulf War cease fire was "destroy all your toys" to which Saddam did not and barred inspectors from investigating further. He also continued to blast the people who didn't go to his favored denomination church with chemical weapons and in general was an asshole , especially when he burned his son's car collection.

An interesting thing everyone ignores is one simple thing: Saddam ejected the UN Inspectors, the UN went to the US and said "Can you enforce him allowing our inspectors in? We found something hinky" as far back as 1998.

Saddam gravely miscalculated America's willingness to fight in two countries at once and, like a lot of shit-hole leaders, bought into his own press.

A lot of the world supported going in and forcing him to allow UN inspectors, then 9-11 and the invasion of Afghanistan happened. A lot of world leaders told Saddam "Uh, America is a crazy person now" and he was all "Saddam crazy too!" and the Eurofags went "No, we're talking they're ACTUAL crazy people now..."

But he didn't listen.

And ended up hiding in a hole.

Funny little thing: The guys who actually found him radioed it back and were told to hold for SOCOM to do it for the photo-op. They went "Fuck that!" and yanked him out.

Because by the time, TWICE, Regular Army units had bin Laden fucking pinpointed and locked down and could have taken them and both times they were told to hold off till the snake eaters arrived. Both times, by the time the snake eaters arrived, bin Laden basically drove off with a brass band and blowing a kazoo.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

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If Russian air is down why hasn’t that 40 mile convoy been yeeted

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

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Wire service article that says "risk-adverse" when it means "risk-averse", interesting.

 

[Getting tard comed]

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Almost like the game plan and goals Russia have aren't the same as globohomos world would be and they are engaging in tactics that accomplish their goals and not the made up goals people attribute to Putin.

 

[GuntPunt]

Some grade A top notch reddit cringe here.
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I'm going to start glowposting about Zelensky at this rate.

Zelensky is just a corrupt Eastern European leader, not fucking Captain America. Stop.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

All strongmen are assholes and Saddam did not need to go: he was fooled by the CIA into invading a Kuwait and Iraq is much, much, much worse after they got rid of him. Same as Lybia got exponentially worse once they killed Khadaffi.

No matter what happened, Iraq was fucked as soon as he wasn't in power for whatever reason, even if it was just a natural death. Iraq is really one of those situations that the best option was to stay away from, there never was going to be a good outcome regardless of what you did.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

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Isn't having others second guess you something Soviet/Russian leaders strive for?

I'm going to start glowposting about Zelensky at this rate.

Zelensky is just a corrupt Eastern European leader, not fucking Captain America. Stop.

Reddit goes from bitching about corruption to loving the corrupt leader because the TV told them so. If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd think the Russia narrative against Trump was part of a long term plan to set public opinion against Russia instead of China to continue the baby boomer anti-Russia strategy in Eastern Europe.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

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I wouldn't be surprised to be honest. Modern fighters are really expensive, and Russia is in a position where it can't afford to replace any significant losses. It's the old trap of having some great new weapon or tech, but it being to valuable to risk.

 

[cuddle striker]

No matter what happened, Iraq was fucked as soon as he wasn't in power for whatever reason, even if it was just a natural death. Iraq is really one of those situations that the best option was to stay away from, there never was going to be a good outcome regardless of what you did.

any place where there's no second in line and third etc is pretty fucked when the Guy is finished. Putin would be in that class too. There's the drawback to micromanaging.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

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I can answer all of this.

Hang on, let me dig out my old BDU softcap and guzzle half a bottle of Wild Turkey then hit myself in the head with a hammer to activate E4 Mafia mode.

OK, REAL fucking simple answer: They don't want to put forth their advanced stuff because everyone has a cellphone and can pass valuable battlefield data to NATO just by filming a jet doing a CAS pass.

Complicated Answer: They know their stuff is fucking garbage. It's always been fucking rusted garbage made out of cardboard, rusted scrap metal, and random muslim bones. They know that NATO is sending in last-gen AT and AA and MANPAD shit into Ukraine, and they know the real reason. No, it's not because NATO likes the Fallout-Goblins that make up Ukraine. They're sending it to see how Russian gears holds out against last gen shit. Russia knows this, because this isn't their first time around the block and they got a lot of data on NATO shit due to 20 years of Forever War.

It's better to use conscripts backed by trusted NCO's, with old junk, that the Fallout-Goblins can't really hold out against too well, then give NATO on just how big of a piece of rusted dogshit the current Russian gear, training, and military force is.

Any jet shot down will be hacksawed apart by drunken Fallout-Goblins and be mailed FEDEX to fucking Langley inside of 8 hours, and they fucking know it.

So they're being careful because they're looking past this conflict and staring at NATO because swinging the nuclear dick doesn't have the effect it used to.

There's a lot more, but even a fucking journalist should be able to understand that.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

any place where there's no second in line and third etc is pretty fucked when the Guy is finished. Putin would be in that class too. There's the drawback to micromanaging.

I'm very curious to see what happens with Russia when Putin is gone. It will be interesting to see who gets power and how, and if they continue his policies.

 

[burntwater]

Massive explosion in Kharkov

 

[дядя Боря]

Weird considering the amount of reports claiming that Russia has air superiority, and the fact that they are moving massive convoys around.

air superiority how? They have shitload of planes and helis, but that does not auto translate into complete domination, especially with working air defense.

Russia is currently using honest to goodness dumb bombs, not smart, just WWII era fucking bombs.

Keep in mind that Syrian campaign wasn't too long ago and Russia's capacity to produce armaments is really limited.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Massive explosion in Kharkov
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I mean. That'd cure your constipation pretty effectively.

 

[BiggerChungus]

I can answer all of this.

Hang on, let me dig out my old BDU softcap and guzzle half a bottle of Wild Turkey then hit myself in the head with a hammer to activate E4 Mafia mode.

OK, REAL fucking simple answer: They don't want to put forth their advanced stuff because everyone has a cellphone and can pass valuable battlefield data to NATO just by filming a jet doing a CAS pass.

Complicated Answer: They know their stuff is fucking garbage. It's always been fucking rusted garbage made out of cardboard, rusted scrap metal, and random muslim bones. They know that NATO is sending in last-gen AT and AA and MANPAD shit into Ukraine, and they know the real reason. No, it's not because NATO likes the Fallout-Goblins that make up Ukraine. They're sending it to see how Russian gears holds out against last gen shit. Russia knows this, because this isn't their first time around the block and they got a lot of data on NATO shit due to 20 years of Forever War.

It's better to use conscripts backed by trusted NCO's, with old junk, that the Fallout-Goblins can't really hold out against too well, then give NATO on just how big of a piece of rusted dogshit the current Russian gear, training, and military force is.

Any jet shot down will be hacksawed apart by drunken Fallout-Goblins and be mailed FEDEX to fucking Langley inside of 8 hours, and they fucking know it.

So they're being careful because they're looking past this conflict and staring at NATO because swinging the nuclear dick doesn't have the effect it used to.

There's a lot more, but even a fucking journalist should be able to understand that.

I don't get where this meme that Russia's military is a giant piece of shit comes from. Is it just because of the first Chechnyan War? That wasn't really the fault of Russian tech or even the troops, more that the Chechnyans had a disproportionate number of Soviet veterans with way more experience.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Massive explosion in Kharkov
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Hot damn that's bright. I'm guessing big ass fuel air bomb maybe?

 

[Saleh]

Almost like the game plan and goals Russia have aren't the same as globohomos world would be and they are engaging in tactics that accomplish their goals and not the made up goals people attribute to Putin.

I swear, people would eat lies like the good cultists they are like how Putin is buttfucking Donald Trump in the Kremlin right now while saying that he's a fucking genius

 

[MrJokerRager]

Apple is halting producing sales in Russia and disabled Apple maps features in Ukraine.
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Based 98D Chess move from the 7th fold of the fabric of the multiverse by Putin.

Now Russians don't have to suffer from contracting overpriced smug narcissistic technology that does not allow right to repair and changing with other parts.

 

[Honk Hill]

 

[Scale Smerch]

Exxon-Mobil just announced that they're pulling out of Russia. Which does make me wonder - how capable are the Russians of keeping their current oil and gas extraction industry going without western finance and expertise? I know that Russian wells have been increasingly difficult to run over the last two decades but I wonder to what degree western capital has been relied on to keep things going...

I legitimately don't have an answer to this question. Will be interesting to see.

Likely won't have that big an impact. Exxon-Mobil's main Russian operation is in Sakhalin and that's not an especially large project. Most of their involvement like Chevron and others is through Russian-based subsidiaries or in cooperation with Russian firms which already operate fine without major western involvement or knowhow.

Bigger issue for Russia is going to be general market access because I'm already seeing reports of banks and refineries refusing to buy Russian oil out of fear it may soon be blacklisted. If this continues, especially in Asian markets, the 70s oil crisis and associated price inflation is going to look like a walk in the park.