Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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    694
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Weird considering the amount of reports claiming that Russia has air superiority, and the fact that they are moving massive convoys around.
Almost positive it's because Russians have air superiority when it comes to being the only air force in the sky, but they can't really take advantage of it since there's still enough SAMs active and Ukraine is currently being flooded with Stingers.
 
Just lie to him and say he has to have a certificate of good conduct and mental soundness. Fake it if you need to.
If only you knew how committed this retard can be when he wants something done...
Luckily he's in his mid 40's so they'll most likely give his dumb ass a non-combat position if such a thing still exists.
He can't speak a lick of Ukrainian either so that helps.
 
If only you knew how committed this retard can be when he wants something done...
Luckily he's in his mid 40's so they'll most likely give his dumb ass a non-combat position if such a thing still exists.
He can't speak a lick of Ukrainian either so that helps.
He sounds too dumb to live. Maybe this is just nature taking its course.
 
I'm going to start glowposting about Zelensky at this rate.

Zelensky is just a corrupt Eastern European leader, not fucking Captain America. Stop.
They're all corrupt, period.

But Russia attacked Ukraine, not the other way around. My sympathies lie with Ukraine for that reason. Have donated to help Ukrainian children affected by this war.

Observations. Fighting in Syria is rather different from fighting somewhere like Ukraine. The invasion should have been planned as a quick, hard, combined-arms strike from the get-go. Russia should have had air supremacy within hours, no matter what level of resistance Ukraine put up. Instead, like just about all the rest of this operation, the Russians have been tentative at best, clueless at worst. Just now are the Russians moving to a more active mode. Can the Russians win? Yes, if by no other means than brute force, just like against the Finns in 1940, the Hungarians in 1956, and the Czechs in 1968.

The initial stages of the Russian invasion of Ukraine show either inherently poor General Staff-level planning, coordination, and execution, and/or at the operational level inherently poor ability to understand the plans provided them, devise effective operational orders, coordinate with supporting organizations, such as logistics, and execute these orders. Rest assured intelligence agencies all over, as well as many General Staffs, are watching what's going on, scrutinizing Russian actions and fuckups, writing up lessons learned, and getting those lessons learned out to all levels. Are the Russians doing the same? Got me. Surely the Russian General Staff is smarter and more professional that what we're seeing. I just know what we would do and very likely are doing.

On the Ukrainian side, there appears to have been some degree of planning for an invasion, knowing the actual time/place of the attack lies with the enemy. Keep in mind Ukraine has only a small fraction of the resources available to Russia. They're doing the best they can with what they have. Same cannot be said for Russia.

To fail to plan is to plan to fail. Bad enough in a command post/field exercise, inexcusable when lives are being put in harm's way. Once again, some dumb fucks in Moscow sit in their offices and drink tea/coffee/vodka while troops in the field run out of supplies or get blown up by flying drones. Not saying US planning is always perfect. Sure isn't. But a great deal of effort is put into planning and coordination, from personal experience.

Seriously, Vlad, your shit gets weaker every day. Declare victory and go home.
 
To be fair, this exact same thing happened to the Allies after D-Day. Every bit of news that comes out makes me think “this is just like Market Garden”
Its really not all that surprising. Historically, it just seems like there's a certain scale beyond with any operations supply line can be thought of in terms of when it will collapse, not if it will collapse. Its bad sure, but people are acting like this is an elementary problem, "Lol stupid Russians just bring more boolet". When armchair generals say experts study logistics, they're correct in a sense - Logistics is a far harder problem than war, and war is already a near impossible problem to 'solve'.
 
I love the question marks in Belarus
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Its like they are asking "what the FUCK is Belarus doing?"
 
Based 98D Chess move from the 7th fold of the fabric of the multiverse by Putin.

Now Russians don't have to suffer from contracting overpriced smug narcissistic technology that does not allow right to repair and changing with other parts.
China was never boycotted or had sales stopped despite the ongoing Uighur genocide. They produce ALL the parts. Russia will just buy the products from China.

Jesus Christ, none of these people understand that these boycotts hold no weight unless EU and America were all resource independent.
 
I hope Russia prioritises building digital infrastructure that's immune to foreign political agenda after seeing how fast American tech is willing to cripple its finance and tech sector for normal civilians. They're going to be doing some China-esque intranet and other nationalised solutions to keep things stable for their people in future.

It would be extremely hypocritical of Russia to claim self-defense by building a Slavic Great Firewall after spending the better half of the last decade perfecting the art of information warfare. Russia claims that the internet is a tool of the CIA, but he's certainly not above using it to spread disinformation in Ukraine.

Also it really must be said: if Putin truly had even the slightest iota of concern for the welfare of the average Russian, he would've never tried to bring Ukraine into the fold to begin with. Literally every country that has frozen conflicts involving Russia, be it Moldova, Georgia, or Ukraine itself has a bone to pick with Russia for starting shit in the first place. The only country that tolerates Russia's meddling is Belarus, and that's only because Lukashenko's entire regime would collapse in on itself without extensive support from the Kremlin.

Putin's incursions in Chechnya, Moldova, Georgia, and now Ukraine have all had the exact opposite effect of what was intended. Instead of bringing those regions into heel, they end up getting pushed into the opposite side that Russia wanted. Moldova wants to join NATO like Romania but it's stuck with a frozen conflict via Transnistria. Chechnya had two wars and it's still known as a hotbed for separatist/extremist activity, Georgia and Russia no longer have any diplomatic ties due to Russia's meddling with Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and Ukraine has become much more aligned with the EU and NATO specifically because of Crimea, Donbas, and now the full-on invasion.

The sanctions were slowly being piled up over the years, but Putin wanted to keep pushing his luck. At this point, enough is enough. If Putin really wants to play hardball with Ukraine, then he shouldn't be surprised when the rest of the world decides to play hardball back.
 
especially at the news that the EU plans to grant them EU membership. Wonder how long it'll take them to renege on that?
that whole thing was fake news, probably by ukrainian propagandists. no such plan exists.

Biggest takeaway from the last week: Under no circumstances should you become dependent on Big Tech and anything that is digitized.

They're going to do this to you for much less than starting a war.
bigger takeaway is that under no circumstances should you become dependent on a potentially hostile nation for your energy needs. you can easily live without twitter and facebook, living without power and gas is much more difficult.
 
I don't get where this meme that Russia's military is a giant piece of shit comes from. Is it just because of the first Chechnyan War? That wasn't really the fault of Russian tech or even the troops, more that the Chechnyans had a disproportionate number of Soviet veterans with way more experience.

Americans need to chant "everyone elses stuff is shit made by goblins out of scrap iron" sitting on their $50,000 Raytheon Tactical Buttock Supporters as Chinese hypersonic missiles annihilate their carrier group, or they are blown up by a rusty 1970s soviet land mine strapped to a donkey, because USA #1 is a question of identity not rational judegement

America's stuff is the best in a lot of cases but there are areas where other militarily come close to or exceed their capabilities

Russia's ewar, artillery and medium rage missile capabilities for example probably meets or exceeds the americans
 
Exxon-Mobil just announced that they're pulling out of Russia. Which does make me wonder - how capable are the Russians of keeping their current oil and gas extraction industry going without western finance and expertise? I know that Russian wells have been increasingly difficult to run over the last two decades but I wonder to what degree western capital has been relied on to keep things going...

I legitimately don't have an answer to this question. Will be interesting to see.
Petroleum wasn't my focus back in my school days, but from what little I did learn about it, "difficult to extract" in the world of oil and gas means one of two things: deeper drilling to reach the oil-saturated rock, or fracking to create fluid paths for the oil to flow along. In both cases, you're talking significantly more technical and sophisticated drilling than your basic "we'll need 200 sticks of rod pipe to reach target depth" hole punching. (And even the basic hole punching can be a bitch, depending on faults, folds, fracture sets, and God only knows what else is going on in the subsurface that you'd never guess at without GPR scans.)

Since oil shales, tar sands, and the like are (as far as I am aware, at any rate) almost? exclusively? North American oil plays, I would imagine Exxon pulling out will not do Vlad's budget any favors. Anyone with more expertise, feel free to correct me and call me a retard.
 
I love the question marks in Belarus
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Its like they are asking "what the FUCK is Belarus doing?"
If I was a betting man, it's because Lukashenko knows that if his forces attack Ukraine he'll get the same sanctions that Russia has gotten, if not more since they don't have that sweet, sweet, oil to hold over the West's head, and with Belarus economy being shittier than Russia's already, having even half the amount of the sanctions that have been placed on Russia also apply to Belarus will cause the economy to collapse within 3 or 4 months.
 
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