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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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In the past a false positive on Russian launch detection systems resulted in someone refusing the press the button. Were all alive as a result!

There is more to the story then that.

The pearl clutchers sob and say "this brave soldier stopped WWIII!" while ignoring how the system works.
That dumb conscript couldn't do shit. His job, if there was something, was to call a Russian General with information about the warning. That Russian General would call a higher-ranked Russian General, who would call the Premier and they would decide on the response.

When he saw the alert, he called his immediate superior. His superior officer the intelligence dispatches: no NATO troop or naval activity. He called their communications monitors, no increase of NATO communication, no broadcasts from the West. The system he was watching was only the first-alert system. There were other better missile alert systems, so he and his superior officer figured that if he was wrong, one of those systems would catch it, and he called the watch officers manning those systems and told them to be extra vigilant.

This guy wasn't some peacenik who didn't want to cause nuclear holocause. He was a mid-ranked soldier who liked his job and didn't want to wake up an important general over nothing.
 
Good. Increasing reliance on China to sustain your economy isn't a cure, its a lifetime of dialysis just to keep clinical death at bay. Russia is inching further and further to its own collapse (or zombification) the more it forces itself into the control of the bugmen
Next time a Russian trolls you on your favorite steam game - remind them they're a chinese subject.
 
Globohomo bros?

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I bet EU and Biden did not see this coming, even as obvious as it was. Push a country against a wall, and it will make allies. Molotov-Ribbentrop anyone?
 

China Asked Russia to Delay Ukraine War Until After Olympics, U.S. Officials Say​

A Western intelligence report indicates that Chinese officials had some level of knowledge about President Vladimir V. Putin’s war plans or intentions.

A Western intelligence report said senior Chinese officials told senior Russian officials in early February not to invade Ukraine before the end of the Winter Olympics in Beijing, according to senior Biden administration officials and a European official.

The report indicates that senior Chinese officials had some level of knowledge about Russia’s war plans or intentions before the invasion started last week. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia met with President Xi Jinping of China in Beijing on Feb. 4 before the opening ceremony of the Olympics. Moscow and Beijing issued a 5,000-word statement at the time declaring that their partnership had “no limits,” denouncing NATO enlargement and asserting that they would establish a new global order with true “democracy.”

The intelligence on the exchange between the Chinese and Russian officials was classified. It was collected by a Western intelligence service and considered credible by officials reviewing it. Senior officials in the United States and allied governments passed it around as they discussed when Mr. Putin might attack Ukraine.
However, different intelligence services had varying interpretations, and it is not clear how widely the information was shared.

One official familiar with the intelligence said the material did not necessarily indicate the conversations about an invasion took place at the level of Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin. Other officials briefed on the intelligence declined to give further details. The officials spoke about the report on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the intelligence.

When asked by email on Wednesday whether Chinese officials had urged Russian officials to delay an invasion of Ukraine until after the Olympics, Liu Pengyu, the Chinese Embassy spokesman in Washington, said, “These claims are speculation without any basis, and are intended to blame-shift and smear China.”

China held the closing ceremony of the Olympics on Feb. 20. The next day, Mr. Putin ordered more Russian troops to enter an insurgent-controlled area of eastern Ukraine after state television broadcast a meeting between him and his national security council and a long speech in which he said Ukraine should be a part of Russia rather than existing as a country. Early on Feb. 24, the Russian military began a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, including carrying out attacks on Ukrainian cities with ballistic missiles, artillery shells and tank units.

American and European officials have said they find it hard to believe it is mere coincidence that Mr. Putin’s invasion did not start until right after the Olympics.

Over the winter, Russia moved military units from its border with China and other parts of the east to the border with Ukraine and to Belarus to prepare for the invasion. The movements indicated a high level of trust between Russian and Chinese officials.

China and Russia have been strengthening their economic, diplomatic and military ties for years. Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin met 37 times as national leaders before their discussions in Beijing ahead of the Olympics. The ambitious joint statement that the two nations issued during that meeting alarmed American and European officials, especially because it was the first time China had explicitly sided with Russia on issues concerning NATO and European security. European leaders have denounced China and Russia in recent weeks, including in speeches at the Munich Security Conference.

For months, some American officials tried to recruit China in efforts to avert war in Ukraine.

Days after President Biden spoke to Mr. Xi in a video summit on Nov. 15, senior American officials decided to present intelligence on the Russian troop buildup around Ukraine to senior Chinese officials to try to get them to persuade Mr. Putin to stand down. The Americans spoke to Qin Gang, the Chinese ambassador in Washington, and to Wang Yi, the foreign minister, among others. In a half-dozen meetings, including one in Washington between U.S. officials and the Chinese ambassador just hours before the Russian invasion, Chinese officials expressed skepticism that Mr. Putin would invade Ukraine, American officials said.

After one diplomatic exchange in December, U.S. officials received intelligence showing Beijing had shared the information with Moscow, telling the Russians that the United States was trying to sow discord and that China would not try to impede Russian plans and actions, American officials said.
U.S. intelligence findings and assessments of Russian plans for an invasion of Ukraine have generally been accurate. The Americans began a campaign last fall to share intelligence with mainly ally and partner nations and to present declassified material to the public to build pressure on Russia to halt any planned invasion. William J. Burns, the C.I.A. director, flew to Moscow on Nov. 2 to confront the Russians with the information, and on Nov. 17, American intelligence officials shared their findings with NATO.

British officials had assessed that an attack by Mr. Putin ahead of the Olympics was possible but unlikely, according to multiple officials briefed on London’s intelligence. That was partly based on the Western intelligence report, but mostly on an analytic assessment that Russia’s plan to overcome Western sanctions was highly dependent on China’s support and the notion that Mr. Putin would not risk angering Mr. Xi.

British officials also assessed that the joint statement issued by Mr. Putin and Mr. Xi in early February was a clear sign of China’s support, something that Beijing would have been reluctant to give if Mr. Putin was willing to overshadow the Olympics by beginning his assault before the end of the Games, according to people familiar with the British thinking.

American intelligence officials observed Moscow making final preparations around Feb. 10, the kinds of movements that immediately precede an attack.

Allied intelligence services learned from intercepted communications that senior Russian commanders were being brought together for a meeting, which some Western governments believed was the key decision point for military commanders to begin the attack. This intelligence was part of what led Jake Sullivan, the White House national security adviser, to warn on Feb. 11 that a Russian attack could come before the end of the Olympics. Multiple officials also said at the time that U.S. officials had picked up intelligence that Russia was considering Feb. 16 as the possible date for the start of military action. That prediction turned out to be wrong, though only by a few days.

In assessing that Russia could ignore China’s widely understood desire that peace be maintained through the Olympics, some U.S. officials said Mr. Putin had multiple considerations.

While these officials acknowledged that Mr. Putin’s relationship with China was important, Russia wanted to quickly begin, and complete, an attack before the readiness of its troops declined. Mr. Putin, American officials assessed, also did not want to be seen as overly deferential to any other power.

Both U.S. and British intelligence officials also wrongly assessed that supply problems that had plagued Russian forces in Belarus during military exercises had been fixed, allowing an invasion to proceed, according to a person briefed on the assessment. In reality, the supply problems continued to hamper Russian forces as they moved into Ukraine.

Since the war began, Chinese officials have consistently aligned with Russia. They have expressed support for Russia’s concerns about NATO and said Russian and Ukrainian officials should have negotiations. A Chinese government readout of a telephone conversation last Friday between Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin reiterated those points. Spokespeople for the Chinese Foreign Ministry have refused to call Russia’s actions an “invasion” and blamed the United States for inflaming tensions around Ukraine.

Chinese officials have also criticized the sanctions imposed on Russia by the United States and European nations.
On Wednesday, Wang Wenbin, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, said at a news conference in Beijing that Russia and Ukraine should “seek a political solution that accommodates the legitimate security concerns of both sides.”

“China will continue to play a constructive role in promoting the de-escalation of the situation in Ukraine,” he said.

China is trying to evacuate thousands of its citizens, including diplomats, from Ukraine. About 6,000 citizens were in Ukraine before those efforts began. At least one Chinese citizen was injured by gunfire on Tuesday while trying to leave Ukraine, Mr. Wang said. The Chinese foreign minister, Wang Yi, spoke with the Ukrainian foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, on Tuesday about the Chinese citizens in the country, according to an official Chinese readout of the conversation.

It is not clear what assurances, if any, Russian officials gave Chinese officials about the invasion. On Feb. 24, the day the full-scale invasion began, Hua Chunying, a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, said: “We noted that today Russia announced its launch of a special military operation in eastern Ukraine. Russia’s Defense Ministry said that its armed forces will not conduct missile, air or artillery strikes on cities.”
American and European officials are watching China closely to see whether it will help Russia evade sanctions. Before the invasion, Beijing and Moscow announced a 30-year contract for China to buy gas through a new pipeline. China has also lifted restrictions on the import of Russian wheat. But U.S. officials expect the large Chinese state-owned banks to avoid openly violating the sanctions on Russia for fear of jeopardizing their own global commercial activities.

 
If true it’s stupid because if they know they can’t surrender they’ll keep fighting.
It went out specifically to the artillerymen, as opposed to all Russians in general, where there's still a big PR push of showing captured Russians being handled with care and put in touch with their family. I'm guessing here they're just putting fear in with the goal of making them consider their targets more carefully, or even stand down outright. They're being slaughtered while the rest of their countrymen are being treated more humanely. Their crimes are being broadcast to everyone while theres still a large human angle for the average conscript. Can't be good for morale.
 
Not in european optic. In second world war ALL european participants was killing some sorts of POV on daily basis. And after second world war this was also in progress - in last intervention in Mali France was killing just anyone, who was looking like terrorist.

That isn't wondering you, why most of POV's in ukrainian hands are very young or pretty high ranked? Most of others was killed before taking a photo of them.

European fairytails are bloody. Thats it.
Oh, I'm sure it happens and I wouldn't exactly be surprised if people look the other way when it does happen. War is hell after all, but there are things that are done and accepted as a bad situation and things that are made policy.


Main people that’d really get offended over killing those trying to kill civilians will probably be Russia fanboys that think Ukrainians should just accept being conquered. It’d be hard to convince regular people that Ukrainians aren’t being nice enough to the invaders or that they aren’t playing by the rules.
If they openly killed civilians then fuck them.

I'm not highly caught up on the situation since yesterday but if it's about bombing a city that would mostly come down to if they provided evacuation orders and gave enough time for people to get out before shelling the city. If they just opened fire without warning while civilians were there, then that's bullshit.
 
I mean, that's not wrong. One also must note that many of the people who participated in producing fake evidence for the war with Iraq are supporting another war. Almos like the elites don't really care about the people, and just wants to mass kill them.
 
Honestly? If true that Russian artillery is shelling cities with complete disregard for civilian population, fuck em, they legitimately deserve it. There is a point past which "I was following orders" is not a valid defense.

If they openly killed civilians then fuck them.

I'm not highly caught up on the situation since yesterday but if it's about bombing a city that would mostly come down to if they provided evacuation orders and gave enough time for people to get out before shelling the city. If they just opened fire without warning while civilians were there, then that's bullshit.
When we have civilian militias armed by the Ukrainian government and allegedly many of them don't even have a fucking uniform, I have some doubts on those civilian casualty numbers.
Also the literal admission of planned war crimes from an official source is a surefire way not to end this war, Putin couldn't ask for better propaganda to support his allegations against Ukraine.
 

Russia space agency head says satellite hacking would justify war -report​


Russia will treat any hacking of its satellites as a justification for war, the head of the country's space agency was quoted as saying in a news report on Wednesday.

Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin denied media reports that Russian satellite control centres have already been hacked amid Moscow's invasion of Ukraine, while warning against any attempts to do so, Interfax news agency reported.

"Offlining the satellites of any country is actually a casus belli, a cause for war," Interfax quoted him as saying.


Rogozin also said his agency wanted British-based tech firm OneWeb to provide guarantees that its satellites are not going to be used against Russia, Interfax added.

Without these, Rogozin said Russia will cancel the planned March 4 launch of 36 OneWeb satellites from the Baikonur cosmodrome, which Russia rents from Kazakhstan, without compensating OneWeb, the Russian news agency reported.

 
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Russia space agency head says satellite hacking would justify war -report​


Russia will treat any hacking of its satellites as a justification for war, the head of the country's space agency was quoted as saying in a news report on Wednesday.

Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin denied media reports that Russian satellite control centres have already been hacked amid Moscow's invasion of Ukraine, while warning against any attempts to do so, Interfax news agency reported.

"Offlining the satellites of any country is actually a casus belli, a cause for war," Interfax quoted him as saying.


Rogozin also said his agency wanted British-based tech firm OneWeb to provide guarantees that its satellites are not going to be used against Russia, Interfax added.

Without these, Rogozin said Russia will cancel the planned March 4 launch of 36 OneWeb satellites from the Baikonur cosmodrome, which Russia rents from Kazakhstan, without compensating OneWeb, the Russian news agency reported.

Oh we're seeing Russian war capabilities in real time. Quit while you're ahead.
 
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Germans Seize Russian Billionaire Alisher Usmanov’s Mega-Yacht​


Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov was sanctioned by the European Union on Monday. Two days later, Forbes has learned from three sources in the yacht industry that one of his prized possessions—the 512-foot yacht Dilbar, valued at nearly $600 million—has been seized by German authorities in the northern city of Hamburg.

The ship has been in the Hamburg shipyards of German shipbuilding firm Blohm+Voss since late October for a refitting job. Sources who spoke to Forbes said that the German government froze the asset and that, likely as a result, Blohm+Voss employees who had been working on the yacht didn’t show up to work on Wednesday. Representatives for Blohm+Voss and Usmanov didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
Usmanov purchased Dilbar in 2016 for a reported cost of $600 million from German shipbuilder Lürssen, which custom-built it for him over 52 months. The firm calls it "one of the most complex and challenging yachts ever built, in terms of both dimensions and technology." At 15,917 tons, it's the world's largest motor yacht by gross tonnage, and is typically manned by a crew of 96 people. Dilbar boasts the largest swimming pool ever installed on a yacht as well as two helicopter pads, a sauna, a beauty salon, and a gym. Its plush interiors have more than 1,000 sofa cushions and it can host up to 24 people in 12 suites.
The yacht is part of Usmanov’s estimated multibillion dollar fortune, which spans stakes in iron ore and steel giant Metalloinvest and consumer electronics firm Xiaomi, as well as smaller holdings in telecom, mining and media. One of the earliest investors in Facebook along with fellow billionaire Yuri Milner, Usmanov also owns extensive real estate assets in the West, ranging from two estates in the UK—Beechwood House in London and Sutton Place in Surrey, valued at a combined $280 million—to luxury homes in Munich, Germany; Lausanne, Switzerland; Monaco; and Sardinia.
Usmanov sold his 30% stake in English soccer team Arsenal F.C. in 2018 for nearly $700 million in cash, but until this week had ties to soccer through his USM Holdings and MegaFon sponsorships of Everton F.C. The Premier League team said on Wednesday that it was suspending the arrangements in light of Russia’s attack on Ukraine.

He’s not the only Russian billionaire with a mega-yacht: Forbes and yacht valuation experts VesselsValue tracked down 32 of them. Despite being hit by EU sanctions on Monday, Usmanov is yet to comment on them or on the war in Ukraine.


Ukraine wants to kick off Russia from Internet, shut down its key DNS servers​


As Russia’s invasion of Ukraine intensifies, the war-torn country has requested that the World Wide Web (WWW) and Russia’s top-level domains (TLDs) be removed.

Ukrainian ministers have written to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) requesting that the domains “.ru,” “.NN,” and “ace.su” be revoked, either permanently or temporarily.

“This list is not exhaustive and may also include other domains issued in the Russian Federation. Also, shut down DNS (Domain Name Servers) root servers situated in the Russian Federation,” said Andrii Nabok, Ukrainian representative for ICANN.

The Internet is a global network of shared standards and protocols, and the Domain Name System (DNS) serves as the master address list for all web resources.

“These atrocious crimes have been made possible mainly due to the Russian propaganda machinery using websites continuously spreading disinformation, hate speech, promoting violence and hiding the truth regarding the war in Ukraine,” Nabok said.

The Ukrainian IT infrastructure has been subjected to numerous Russian-led attacks, impeding citizens’ and the government’s ability to communicate.

“Moreover, it’s becoming clear that this aggression could spread much further around the globe as the Russian Federation puts the nuclear deterrent on ‘special alert’ and threatens both Sweden and Finland with ‘military and political consequences’ if these states join NATO,” he added.

According to ZDNet, Ukrainian Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Digital Transformation Mykhailo Fedorov has also requested that RIPE NCC, the regional Internet registry for Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia, withdraw Russia and its Local Internet Registries (LIR) rights to use their assigned IPv4 and IPv6 addresses and block their DNS root servers.

It would be extremely disruptive if ICANN and the RIPE NCC agreed to “shut down Russia’s DNS root servers.”

However, the Internet’s governing bodies appear unlikely to take action.

“Keeping the protocol layer operational in Russia is the best way to ensure that sites carrying diverse views to Russian audiences are effective,” said Paul Twomey, former ICANN President and CEO, in a tweet.

According to Dr. Erich Schweighofer, Principal Administrator of the European Commission, removing Russia from the Internet is a good idea”does not help supporting the civil society in this country for a democratic change”.

“ICANN is a neutral platform, not taking a position in this conflict but allowing States to act accordingly, e.g. blocking all traffic from a particular state,” he added.


Media outlets want to protect your kid from stress over Ukraine, which is weird because we've spent two years telling them they're gonna kill their grandmas with COVID​


Something bad is happening in the world—specifically, Russia is attempting to annex Ukraine and possibly start World War III—which means the media are doing that weird, kinda silly, slightly unsettling thing they always do where they try and tell you how to explain things to your kids that you're perfectly capable of explaining on your own.

Here's some representative samples from the CNN article:
It's possible to have a developmentally appropriate and reassuring conversation with your children about the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, but it's important to be intentional and attentive to your individual child...

Conversations you have with your children should strive to remind them they are safe, while using age-appropriate language and avoiding normalizing war...
All of that seems, you know, fine, I guess. I'm not gonna argue.

It's just odd, you know, given that...I don't know...we've kinda spent the last two years terrifying kids into believing that they're going to die from COVID, and kill their grandparents with COVID, and maybe kill someone else's grandparents with COVID, too.

I mean, let's just go over the ground-level facts here:

  • Children are at minimal risk from COVID—the COVID fatality rate for children is extremely low, like approaching 0.0% in official federal data. They also appear to be much less likely than older people to spread the virus.
  • Nevertheless, we have spent two years convincing them, on a daily basis, that they have to (a) periodically isolate themselves from all of their friends and family and everything they love about life, (b) stay "socially distanced" from anyone outside of their own family units, (c) undergo horrible "virtual" learning indefinitely, and (d) be neurotically obsessive about their health.
    • We've also told them that they have to strap moist, hot, uncomfortable strips of cotton across their faces eight hours a day, five days a week, indefinitely, in order to stop the spread of a virus that—it bears repeating—they are at extraordinarily low risk for suffering severely from, and are at low risk of even spreading in the first place.
    • And while we've been doing this, we've been telling them that if they don't follow these horrible rules, they risk spreading the virus, killing themselves, killing their friends, killing old people everywhere, filling hospital beds, collapsing the hospital system, and basically bringing out mass disease, death and destruction.
  • Is that—is that all correct? Did I miss anything?​

But sure yeah let's bring out the kid gloves now and create some safe spaces for the kids now that their psyches have been utterly pulverized by 24 months of adult-driven COVID hysteria!

Heckuva job, media!​


Well that was a dumb idea. But I shouldn't expect any less at this point.
I think we already established that Biden and his handlers are retarded.

 
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