General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Erwin Rotten]

Now tell me your opinion on brazilian butt lifts

Fake anything caused by surgery is fake and gay. I also never have anyone with a fake ass go to the government to force me to call it a dumptruck booty by law.

I want to talk about an annoying theme I see with MtF troons: The (very masculine) preoccupation with sex. It is so jarring these people ostensibly try to behave like women and yet are NEVER coy or modest about their sexuality like real women almost always are. Ive seen them call themselves publicly things like sluts all the godamn time.

That's what happens when a person has the brain of a man, is dependant on sexual stimulation and hedonistic enjoyment. The idea of them being a slut is so people think they are approachable by being easy to get in bed with, because they know men will go for what is reachable, not what is actually desired.

Women do not have a raging proactive sex drive like men. A womans desire for sex is highly contextual. If it isnt with the right candidate in the right conditions, she is just not interested. This can exasperate and frustrate men, so they develop these fantasies of sluts who crave and pursue sex in the manner males do. Occaisonally you will even have women play along and "steer in" to those fantasies in things like pornography and prostitution. Some men indulge this as mere fantasy, and some men are even stupid enough to sincerely believe it.

Second wave feminism has conditioned a lot of women to pretend like they want to have a diversity in sexual partners like men do because they want to copy men instead of stay in the kitchen where they are comfortable and wanted, so some women do that kind of thing but it's not a natural intention.

Some women do suffer from high sex drives, but they usually are a nymphomaniac because they are mentally ill or suffered some kind of sexual trauma and at that point we can confirm that it's not what a normal woman would do.

 

[BeboRefugee]

Bosco says Kerri Colby and Kornbread gave her 'clarity' on trans journey

'RuPaul's Drag Race' star Bosco exclusively tells EW that Kerri Colby and Kornbread helped 'center' her before coming out as trans: 'I felt so much clarity being around them.'

ew.com

"The more the merrier. It's like The Ring, but with transitioning. You meet [Kerri] and seven days later you get a call saying that you're going to have to start HRT. The power that woman has is insane."

Linking this article here because in the past few years RuPaul's Drag Race has undergone a bit of a transition in terms of framing. When the series started Ru was very adamant the show was about cross-dressing. The concept of drag focused on biological men doing female impersonation, and he equated HRT and females participating as cheating (since they'd have what would be considered unfair advantages to the others by different bone structures and whatever the hormones would do). However in recent years the show has become more and more inclusive, even casting a heterosexual male this year.

During filming of the most recent season only 1 of the contestants was openly trans (Kerri Colby). Of the 14 contestants 4 are now publicly out as transgender women, with the most recent coming out via instagram this week. The drag queen being interviewed by EW notes their own exploration had been going on for a while but how do we explain the drag queen to transgender pipeline on display here? The quote above really says it all, because this is a show that's been going for over a decade all about makeup and crossdressing and while there's been the occasional Non-Binary or trans contestant there is now is a significant portion of the cast presenting as women publicly.

 

[TheBigZee]

Oh look, trans women have orgasms. Took me all of 10 seconds to find that.

I've found zero sources that give a hard number rather than a weasel word like "most". Especially sources that break it down by type of vaginoplasty. Go have sex with a post op on plenty of fish/OK cupid next weekend. Invite your SO along so it's not an excuse. Get back to us if you still think vaginoplasty is a worthwhile medical treatment.

 

[gang weeder]

I don't see what difference it would make in any respect whether a tranny still has some nerve endings able to fire after cutting their dick off.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Did you verify this for yourself or did you just take their words at face value?

You are contradicting yourself. How can it be indistinguishable for all accounts and purposes while also being something men are unwilling to interact with? And again, have you verified this yourself, with objective criteria, or did you just take someone else's word for it?

Now this is just outright lying. Neophalluses are discussed quite often in the SRS thread, which you would know if you ever opened it. So not only is SRS cosmetic in the sense that it is done for looks only, it doesn't even meet its own low standards because it doesn't even look as advertised.


You say this like being 12 means that they can't be coombrained/psycho. Have you seen the things that 12 year olds (including biological girls) are writing on the internet these days? Go to the Fanfiction Horrors thread and find out.

Anyway, it's clearly a hyperbolic statement that you're responding to, and I can see that you are trying to be empathetic and "think of the children", but whenever you talk to one, you often find that they are responding to sexism with a child's literal-mindedness (e.g. I'm not as outdoorsy as the other boys, therefore I must be a (weak) girl; I'm not as makeup-obsessed as the other girls, therefore I must be a (brutish) boy). Adults with critical thinking skills will see that the sexism is the problem. Adults who believe kids too quickly, or are actually sexist themselves, encourage social/medical/surgical transition and end up enforcing sexist stereotypes.

Try a thought experiment - consider transracialism (e.g. those weeb kids who identify as Japanese, those white kids who identify as part-Native American) and trans-able-ism (identifying as disabled). If you don't believe in race or ability dysphoria then why believe in gender dysphoria?

It is not the same equivalent, girls from a young age tend to have a stronger sense of self than males do, also the race/ability straw man argument you use doesn’t hold any ground because it is a surface level distinction regarding a persons skin tone and with disability that is entirely a matter of perspective in some cases and seems more like someone bullshitting to possibly gain sympathy or get out of work as a lot older kids and teens are like at that age. Gender dysphoria is unique in the fact it’s not always directly to do with appearances it’s an internal mental dysphoria with many different layers.

Also yes I am also aware of what many young teen girls write on the internet but that wouldn’t immediately identify them as a cougar obsessed phycho deviant. Just like how a boy who played with dolls once isn’t automatically gay and a girl who plays with transformers is a raging bull dyke. Also yes there are huge issues with gender roles and sexism in our society no doubt, but not automatically any kid with traits opposite to their gender will want to go down the path of transgenderism. They will have other legitimate concerns like feeling genuine unease with their gender, will where clothing opposite to their sex, and have concerns with genuinely feeling like they are trapped in the wrong body and feel like they are a woman in a mans or a man in a woman’s body. There would be many other issues at hand here.

I’m sorry but even if I had a child and they were trans, would it not make me a good parent if I accepted and loved my children regardless of what gender they thought they were? I would obviously talk to them seriously about these issues they are feeling and if I would obviously seriously discuss whether they wanted such life changing surgery. But if they truly wanted to transition fully into their desired gender, I would absolutely support and respect their decision because they are my children and I love them no matter what. So many millions of kids have had years of histories being ostracised, abused and treated horribly by parents for their different sexualities and we need to put an end to it. If my son thought he was a woman or my daughter felt she was a man I would absolutely still love them all the same and would support them every step of the way, I would hope most here would to.

 

[Ass_manager]

It is not the same equivalent, girls from a young age tend to have a stronger sense of self than males do, also the race/ability straw man argument you use doesn’t hold any ground because it is a surface level distinction regarding a persons skin tone and with disability that is entirely a matter of perspective in some cases and seems more like someone bullshitting to possibly gain sympathy or get out of work as a lot older kids and teens are like at that age. Gender dysphoria is unique in the fact it’s not always directly to do with appearances it’s an internal mental dysphoria with many different layers.

Also yes I am also aware of what many young teen girls write on the internet but that wouldn’t immediately identify them as a cougar obsessed phycho deviant. Just like how a boy who played with dolls once isn’t automatically gay and a girl who plays with transformers is a raging bull dyke. Also yes there are huge issues with gender roles and sexism in our society no doubt, but not automatically any kid with traits opposite to their gender will want to go down the path of transgenderism. They will have other legitimate concerns like feeling genuine unease with their gender, will where clothing opposite to their sex, and have concerns with genuinely feeling like they are trapped in the wrong body and feel like they are a woman in a mans or a man in a woman’s body. There would be many other issues at hand here.

I’m sorry but even if I had a child and they were trans, would it not make me a good parent if I accepted and loved my children regardless of what gender they thought they were? I would obviously talk to them seriously about these issues they are feeling and if I would obviously seriously discuss whether they wanted such life changing surgery. But if they truly wanted to transition fully into their desired gender, I would absolutely support and respect their decision because they are my children and I love them no matter what. So many millions of kids have had years of histories being ostracised, abused and treated horribly by parents for their different sexualities and we need to put an end to it. If my son thought he was a woman or my daughter felt she was a man I would absolutely still love them all the same and would support them every step of the way, I would hope most here would to.

Agree with good communication with their child, but you should be reasonable with them. Love and total acceptance are in my opinion definitely not the same thing. My parents weren't accepting of some of my behaviour when I was younger and I'm glad they weren't since I was a very difficult child. The line between ostracation and clear, good communication and listening skills is broad..

 

[thegooddoctor]

Agree with good communication with their child, but you should be reasonable with them. Love and total acceptance are in my opinion definitely not the same thing. My parents weren't accepting of some of my behaviour when I was younger and I'm glad they weren't since I was a very difficult child. The line between ostracation and clear, good communication and listening skills is broad..

Of course I would still discipline them, but unless they were seriously mentally I’ll or making a decision that put themselves in danger I would absolutely support their decision and lifestyle choices like any good parent should. You can still be kind and loving parents while still making sure they have discipline and punishments if they behave incorrectly, that’s all part of the process of being a parent.

 

[Criticallacitirc]

girls from a young age tend to have a stronger sense of self than males do,

What are you basing this on ? Girls are way more likely to have self esteem issues and are more susceptible to social contagion.

 

[gang weeder]

Of course I would still discipline them, but unless they were seriously mentally I’ll or making a decision that put themselves in danger I would absolutely support their decision and lifestyle choices like any good parent should. You can still be kind and loving parents while still making sure they have discipline and punishments if they behave incorrectly, that’s all part of the process of being a parent.

>unless they were seriously mentally ill or making a decision that put themselves in danger

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Troons are just mentally ill people. Trooning out has been presented as a cure all but it doesn't actually fix the source problem of their symptoms. The end result is suicide, death by complications of trooning out, or death by other destructive behavior.

Trooning out only gives them a slight bit of happiness and then it goes away because the obsessive thoughts are still there so they focus on various parts of their body and want to get surgery on those too. But even then it won't go away because the true source of their agony hasn't been fixed and that's in their brain.

 

[Bec]

I'm not the first one to notice this but, have you noticed every example of "third gender" in non-western cultures are males taking the roles of females?

 

[Noir drag freak]

I'm not the first one to notice this but, have you noticed every example of "third gender" in non-western cultures are males taking the roles of females?

Yes, that’s because those cultures tend to be very strict in the way that men most behave.

 

[Large]

I'm not the first one to notice this but, have you noticed every example of "third gender" in non-western cultures are males taking the roles of females?

Albania is not western.

 

[Artificial Sweetener]

"Gender" is stupid. It's a cancerous growth on our understanding of personality. Whatever people call "gender" (as opposed to sex) is just someone's personality. Who cares if John likes romcoms and knitting, or if Jane likes power tools and bodybuilding (or vice versa)? Gender adds nothing to my understanding of the world.
It's nightmarish that some people think it's a better idea to amputate a child's healthy organs to match their idea of what a man or woman ought to be, rather than just letting them have hobbies.
The genuinely dysphoric should get psychological help. Again, the desire to amputate healthy organs is unhealthy.
The movement has only proliferated from a combination of Pharma shilling and retarded shitlibs wanting to be on the "right side of history".

 

[Piss Bear]

It is not the same equivalent, girls from a young age tend to have a stronger sense of self than males do, also the race/ability straw man argument you use doesn’t hold any ground because it is a surface level distinction regarding a persons skin tone and with disability that is entirely a matter of perspective in some cases and seems more like someone bullshitting to possibly gain sympathy or get out of work as a lot older kids and teens are like at that age. Gender dysphoria is unique in the fact it’s not always directly to do with appearances it’s an internal mental dysphoria with many different layers.

Also yes I am also aware of what many young teen girls write on the internet but that wouldn’t immediately identify them as a cougar obsessed phycho deviant. Just like how a boy who played with dolls once isn’t automatically gay and a girl who plays with transformers is a raging bull dyke. Also yes there are huge issues with gender roles and sexism in our society no doubt, but not automatically any kid with traits opposite to their gender will want to go down the path of transgenderism. They will have other legitimate concerns like feeling genuine unease with their gender, will where clothing opposite to their sex, and have concerns with genuinely feeling like they are trapped in the wrong body and feel like they are a woman in a mans or a man in a woman’s body. There would be many other issues at hand here.

I’m sorry but even if I had a child and they were trans, would it not make me a good parent if I accepted and loved my children regardless of what gender they thought they were? I would obviously talk to them seriously about these issues they are feeling and if I would obviously seriously discuss whether they wanted such life changing surgery. But if they truly wanted to transition fully into their desired gender, I would absolutely support and respect their decision because they are my children and I love them no matter what. So many millions of kids have had years of histories being ostracised, abused and treated horribly by parents for their different sexualities and we need to put an end to it. If my son thought he was a woman or my daughter felt she was a man I would absolutely still love them all the same and would support them every step of the way, I would hope most here would to.

The supportive parent would approach this with skepticism. If your kid tells you one day they think they are the opposite sex… you don’t bow down before your kid and give them everything their underdeveloped brain desires. Transgenderism is genuinely a social contagion right now amongst the nerdy, low-self esteem, autistic, etc types of people and children are especially susceptible to it whether it be through excessive internet use and/or grooming.

Also, transition is NOT the solution for gender dysphoria. When you have a mental illness, you don’t do what the illness tells you to do. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, where the sufferer is convinced of the idea that they are the opposite sex. THEIR MINDS ARE UNHEALTHY, their bodies are fine; so why force your body through needless surgery and cross-sex hormones when it’s the mind that’s at fault and needs to be treated?

See, as a parent you need to consider your kid’s future. That’s not a future anyone wants or deserves. Transition is sugar-coated to hell and back, but it really is just a death wish.

 

[Baloney Face]

How about some trans adjacent war news?

Synopsis: Russians no good of course, but those Ukies ...

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1498719849748611072

Transgender acceptance in Ukraine is not widespread, and changing legal documents to match gender requires a long process with psychiatric examinations. CBS News spoke with one woman in Kyiv who is now battling a "war within a war" amid Russia's invasion

Video at link.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

How about some trans adjacent war news?

Synopsis: Russians no good of course, but those Ukies ...

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1498719849748611072

Video at link.

She is saying "you won't let be out if it's written "male" on your passport".

What is the issue, trully? That she refuses go "boymode", drop her voice and answer to male pronouns for a short time and cross country lines at the price of misgendering herself... or that all young males her age are supposed to stay and fight?

Anyway twitter isn't having it.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

pre-grs/anti-grs troon kiwis: if we had the technology where you could get surgery done with no side effects/etc and it was completely unclockable, would you? or would you still not get surgery? and if that technology were to exist in the future, would you wait?
maybe a stupid question but i'm curious. this is the deep thoughts board after all

 

[Wallace]

The supportive parent would approach this with skepticism. If your kid tells you one day they think they are the opposite sex… you don’t bow down before your kid and give them everything their underdeveloped brain desires. Transgenderism is genuinely a social contagion right now amongst the nerdy, low-self esteem, autistic, etc types of people and children are especially susceptible to it whether it be through excessive internet use and/or grooming.

Also, transition is NOT the solution for gender dysphoria. When you have a mental illness, you don’t do what the illness tells you to do. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, where the sufferer is convinced of the idea that they are the opposite sex. THEIR MINDS ARE UNHEALTHY, their bodies are fine; so why force your body through needless surgery and cross-sex hormones when it’s the mind that’s at fault and needs to be treated?

See, as a parent you need to consider your kid’s future. That’s not a future anyone wants or deserves. Transition is sugar-coated to hell and back, but it really is just a death wish.

Unfortunately, the cost of saying no to troons is now so high that everyone is too scared. Take Lia Thomas (please!). A man with a male body--including a penis--who underwent a male puberty is going to break Katie Ledecky's records in the NCAA championships, and the whole world is too fucking scared to say what everyone knows: that it isn't fair.

If you have the cultural and institutional power to ruin someone's life because they offend you and everyone else is too afraid to speak out against you for this, you are not marginalized.

If you control academia, Hollywood, and HR and civil rights offices across the country while every other institution ties itself in knots to mollify you, you are not oppressed.

If you wield enough influence to demand that your political opponents surrender both money and power to you in exchange for more scorn, condescending disdain, and further demands for obeisance from you, and they do so out of fear of your influence, you are seriously fuckin' privileged.

 

[The Fabian Strategy]

The whole trans thing was solved by Matt Walsh. "Transwomen are women" is a common refrain among these nutjobs, and as Walsh pointed out, you can't have one thing be another thing and still be its own thing. Water isn't a solid and a liquid at the same time, and not all animals are humans, but all humans are animals- we have clear, binary categories for a reason. A woman, as 99.999999999% of people on Earth understand the term, is a biological adult female. Saying "a person that identifies as a woman is a woman" robs the term "woman" of all meaning, and it also robs the entire category of things being themselves of meaning as well- if I identify as something I'm not and it magically makes me that thing through nothing but identification, am I rich because I identify as upper class? Am I a dragon or a squirrel or not a loser typing this right now at 3:00 AM because I identify as any of those things? No. You can't define something by using the word you're trying to define in the definition, either- "A transwoman is a person assigned male at birth that identifies as a woman. A transwoman is a woman." Then what's a woman? "A cisgender female that identifies as a woman." That definition isn't permissible because it uses the very word to describe itself- you can't define a dog as "a dog" any more than you can identify a woman as "someone that identifies as a woman." Pure retardation from these freaks.

Conclusion: We're only at 52%. We're only halfway there and we're only living on a prayer. Let's get those numbers up.