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[SeaVulture]

Hypocrisy is well known trait of SJW kind, so...

She's a woman (and leftist). The rules only apply to her social inferiors.

But that's what I'm saying, if she really had that hypocritical attitude she would have given herself a pass for making an inappropriate joke with a male coworker, and then when he did it to her (in a public call full of people no less) she'd have been outraged or at least quietly seethed about it instead of airing it to the audience while laughing at herself.

Look I just really like the comfy fox hag, so I'm gonna keep enjoying her no matter what paper she puts in the ballot box.

 

[Rratcatcher]

Did I completely miss the discussion about Nene tracing artwork for official merch? Tracing an artist that has collaborated with Holo before, even?

 

[reinigen]

You guys (not you specifically reinigen, just talking in general) need to relax about Nina, some people here act like she's a ticking-time bomb that will suddenly explode into a rant about straight white men. If she was she wouldn't be up for things like being both on the giving and the receiving end of sexually-charged jokes with Nijimales

And frankly, malding about the possibility of an entertainer saying some political wrongthink strikes me as really SJW-ish behaviour. I've seen some of them talk about how they avoid becoming too attached to certain creators because they're always waiting for the other ideological shoe to drop, so it hurts less if they have to disavow them. Don't be like them.

I'll say this on the matter, if only because Nina is the most vocal example of this that we've had in the larger companies. (And this isn't a dig directly at her, but more what encompassed my initial worry about her.)

My general problem with SJW-types in this landscape isn't their politics per se (even though I disagree with nearly all of their major political opinions), it's that it seems like the current trends with SJWs is to inject their personal politics into everything and remove as much escapism from recreation as possible. They strive to turn everything into a platform with which to magnify their personal politics with, and will condemn and scream about anything that prevents this. (See: The NFL being shit up with BLM and other stuff in the last few years.)

So of course, when you had someone like Nina, the worry was you get someone of what her persuasion was (which thankfully hasn't come to pass) and would begin to remove another bastion of just unplugging from the world.

I know I'm hyper sensitive to it because of the constant ongoing shit with video games, and how people don't seem to understand when people say "We don't want politics in video games", they mean personal politics and not the idea of exploring political themes. Best summed up by this image below:

But that's what I'm saying, if she really had that hypocritical attitude she would have given herself a pass for making an inappropriate joke with a male coworker, and then when he did it to her (in a public call full of people no less) she'd have been outraged or at least quietly seethed about it instead of airing it to the audience while laughing at herself.

Look I just really like the comfy fox hag, so I'm gonna keep enjoying her no matter what paper she puts in the ballot box.

And I think most people understand, agree with you, and are eating crow on worrying about Nina. I know I am. But the track record with 'Trusting SJWs entering my escapist hobby" has been so fucking poor, you have to excuse people immediately being worried.

 

[moments fade pain remains]

In this episode of WachaStars, Arurandeisu-papa and Roberu try job hunting. Spoilers: They both got rejected.

Quoting myself because I am a moron and I missed this even though they talked about it at the end of the video, but Cover is looking for applications from 2023 graduatees. They are looking to fill up positions such as engineers, designers, technical artists, business positions and a studio technical position. There is a form in the description of the video.

 

[Scuttle]

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Good catch. He's credited on all of the popular YT uploads when you search it, though. I still find the connection funny.

Given everything I learned from Scuttle about how she feels about her past I think some of you guys are being too skeptical about her evolving. I think she's in the same boat as Kiara.
Scuttle's comment:

"as it's pretty much the reason she memory-holed herself and started again" seems to me a good indicator that she doesn't feel the same way anymore. I mean you don't regret things you still agree with.

I mean I always recommend people go out and formulate their own opinion rather than take my word for it. I'm not immune to being biased and we all perceive things differently.

On top of that, as one of the few people with granular knowledge of Niji in this thread, my responses often come off as defensive because it starts to feel like people are talking about something they don't know or care about.

All I can really say is that she's been here for 5 months and everyone in the branch seems to like her. There's a difference between a healthy dose of skepticism and being outright dismissive of someone changing their mind on things.

 

[Kazuma]

@Takodachi

I'm looking forward to Ina playing it. I'm just worry about the backseating

 

[Nolan Crush]

I'll say this on the matter, if only because Nina is the most vocal example of this that we've had in the larger companies. (And this isn't a dig directly at her, but more what encompassed my initial worry about her.)

My general problem with SJW-types in this landscape isn't their politics per se (even though I disagree with nearly all of their major political opinions), it's that it seems like the current trends with SJWs is to inject their personal politics into everything and remove as much escapism from recreation as possible. They strive to turn everything into a platform with which to magnify their personal politics with, and will condemn and scream about anything that prevents this. (See: The NFL being shit up with BLM and other stuff in the last few years.)

So of course, when you had someone like Nina, the worry was you get someone of what her persuasion was (which thankfully hasn't come to pass) and would begin to remove another bastion of just unplugging from the world.

I know I'm hyper sensitive to it because of the constant ongoing shit with video games, and how people don't seem to understand when people say "We don't want politics in video games", they mean personal politics and not the idea of exploring political themes. Best summed up by this image below:

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And I think most people understand, agree with you, and are eating crow on worrying about Nina. I know I am. But the track record with 'Trusting SJWs entering my escapist hobby" has been so fucking poor, you have to excuse people immediately being worried.

I'd like to expand with my thoughts.

For the most part I have no problem with being friends with people with different political opinions. I'm friends with a Canadian who supports the trucker protest and an American who's a socialist. The difference between these two and an SJW is hypocrisy and ideologue focus. SJWs can't handle disagreement and will show resentment towards it, while also claiming everything they say as fact. I like to watch VTubers who I feel I can respect as people, and even if the SJW-attitude is behind the scenes, simply knowing it's there will effect my enjoyment as I can't respect people like that. It's similar to how I refuse to watch Nyanners and Veibae because they come off as the sterotypical Twitch girl type (hypocritical, bratty, and just all around fake [Veibae and Nyanners specifically with stuff like the Nux incident]; the stuff that I view VTubers as a supplement for.

All that being said, there are no problems or hints of any issues so I do believe that's a good reason to believe her attitude towards politics and some of her opinions (given she was into the whole anti-Gamergate stuff) have changed.

 

[What the shit]

I'd like to expand with my thoughts.

For the most part I have no problem with being friends with people with different political opinions. I'm friends with a Canadian who supports the trucker protest and an American who's a socialist. The difference between these two and an SJW is hypocrisy and ideologue focus. SJWs can't handle disagreement and will show resentment towards it, while also claiming everything they say as fact. I like to watch VTubers who I feel I can respect as people, and even if the SJW-attitude is behind the scenes, simply knowing it's there will effect my enjoyment as I can't respect people like that. It's similar to how I refuse to watch Nyanners and Veibae because they come off as the fake Twitch girl type, the thing that I view VTubers as a supplement for.

All that being said, there are no problems or hints of any issues so I do believe that's a good reason to believe her attitude towards politics and some of her opinions (given she was into the whole anti-Gamergate stuff) have changed.

 

[Jep21]

I know it is only tangentially related, but looks like this is what the reaper was working on. Premiers ~21 hours from this post.

>makes a song about how he feels that Princess MVs are overshadowing him and he hates it
>still makes a third one
He really seems to know that this is only way to get any decent kinda views.

THHK really hates Vtubers huh kek

Yeah especially Hololive because they stole Mori from him. He is still seething about it to this day.

Deadbeats.

I though I was only deadbeat here.

 

[Bumbling Fat Moron]

>makes a song about how he feels that Princess MVs are overshadowing him and he hates it
>still makes a third one
He really seems to know that this is only way to get any decent kinda views.

Could I get a QRD on this Top Ham guy? His saltiness interests me but i don't feel like scrounging through twitter for his ramblings (If he has any)

 

[Sevatonius]

I'm looking forward to Ina playing it. I'm just worry about the backseating

Ina set her chat to 24 hour Sub only mode. I'm thinking she noticed how bad Kiara and Gura have been bombarded.

 

[Big PiPi Energy]

Pippa is already a broke trash gremlin with fucked up teeth. Surely she is safe and can't get worse.

I'll try to remember to quote this when you're proven wrong in the future.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

@Takodachi

can't be much worse than Gura, who constantly forgot the controls every five minutes and flailed around during combat missing two-thirds of her attacks

 

[named]

Could I get a QRD on this Top Ham guy? His saltiness interests me but i don't feel like scrounging through twitter for his ramblings (If he has any)

THHK is a member of FAKE TYPE, who Calli works with regularly and idolizes to the extent that she's known to have a THHK tattoo. There was some conflict mentioned over Calli not choosing him for some contract in a recent Demondice stream which was, in the fine tradition of this thread, embellished into a narrative about how THHK has broken up forever with his waifu. I don't think he has a lot in Twitter; especially nothing that would be available to those who don't read moon runes.

 

[Thomas Talus]

can't be much worse than Gura, who constantly forgot the controls every five minutes and flailed around during combat missing two-thirds of her attacks

I'm expecting some improvement from her, since she does seem to be interested in getting good enough to play Sekiro. The shark can develop her skills very quickly when she puts her mind to it, as we saw in the MK tournament where she took 4th in the company after being meme-tier just a few months earlier.

 

[lakyus]

Good catch. He's credited on all of the popular YT uploads when you search it, though. I still find the connection funny.



I mean I always recommend people go out and formulate their own opinion rather than take my word for it. I'm not immune to being biased and we all perceive things differently.

On top of that, as one of the few people with granular knowledge of Niji in this thread, my responses often come off as defensive because it starts to feel like people are talking about something they don't know or care about.

All I can really say is that she's been here for 5 months and everyone in the branch seems to like her. There's a difference between a healthy dose of skepticism and being outright dismissive of someone changing their mind on things.

I'll just add here - and note this is a general observation of mine and nothing I observed with the honey fox - that plenty of people drop public SJWism. Reasons are different but most of the time it's because loyalty among those crowds is non-existent or they got thrown under the bus. There are also people who just stop being comfortable with what they were producing too - and if this was the reason she gave, I don't see it as improbable. I still don't think she's genuine and what I saw of her previous persona is very offputting but if she's not causing trouble for her co-workers, she gets a pass. And her viewerbase clearly shows she has talent.

If you think about it, vtubing can be a good way of detaching yourself from those crowds. They usually self-police themselves by having dirt on each other, to keep everyone in line. Assuming a different persona and memory-holing the old one is a good way of resetting yourself (this is also part of the reason why SJWs insist on everyone using real names online - makes it harder to escape the cult) and if someone from your past tries to take you to the task, you will have a fanbase defending you from filthy outsiders and possibly your company (if you go corpo).

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

I mean, this is basically Hollow Knight in 3D, right? She'll be fine.

... r-right?

 

[Kusogaki]

It's been in his chat rules since the beginning.
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Also here's a clip where he brings it up with chat and expands on it, directly bringing up how he doesn't want the same experience Vox has with his chat.

Based (I cant believe i used that word). While i dont follow nijiEN and the males even less, im glad that at least one of them is aware of the dangers of a menhera fujo audience and basically tell them to fuck off. This will lead to less views? I hope not even if i dont watch him.

 

[SeaVulture]

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At the risk of veering too much into off-topic, I think there are several factors that make me care a lot less about these things: I'm not American so I'm rather disconnected of your 24/7 culture war, plus admittedly I'm a lot more to the left than what's usual on this site (although I'm not a particular fan of American leftism). In my opinion the problem with the US is that the population feels very politically disenfranchised, while at the same time your cultural industries have a completely disproportionate sway on your society compared to the those of the rest of the world. This gives artists, who already tend to be progressive to begin with, a huge incentive to do activism in the only way they think they can.

Though I have to say, seeing how heated ethnic or ideological tensions can get during certain football matches here in Europe makes a few black players kneeling seem quaint. Call me when the audience boos the president or dozens end up in hospital after a race brawl.

Another issue is that Americans (and the Japanese even more so) seem to have a need to disconnect and escape from reality that I haven't quite observed where I've grown up and lived. I think it's the result of an awful work-life balance and a hyper-atomised alienated society, which incidentally is where in my opinion the root of the obsession with identity can also be found. You can see it too in how little impact vtubers seem to have had in Europe, the superchat amounts in euros even for those who stream at convenient hours here and factoring in the matter of English fluency are pitiful compared to our population and wealth.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

I'm expecting some improvement from her, since she does seem to be interested in getting good enough to play Sekiro. The shark can develop her skills very quickly when she puts her mind to it, as we saw in the MK tournament where she took 4th in the company after being meme-tier just a few months earlier.

maybe on her own off-stream when she can focus, but on stream... well... she's played a shit ton of DMC yet still largely scrapes by on the skin of her shark teeth when streaming them