Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Spicey McHaggis]

Solar panel and wind turbine manufacturers want you to think that nuclear power plants will explode into a super nova that will flatten the city and irradiate an area the size of Texas if any of the technicians in charge of it sneeze

I'll just say that more deaths have occurred from wind power than nuclear power in the last few decades. Ban wind turbines now.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

While this seems like it's mostly just a symbolic gesture there's yet another country off the table, ensuring Russia's fate of being Xi's special pay bitch

Switzerland triggers wide range of sanctions against Russia

Switzerland hits Russia with sanctions, including a ban on many industrial exports and a wide range of financial activities.

www.swissinfo.ch

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Seriously, how the fuck do people not know this?

I've never intentionally delved deeply into the nitty-gritty physics of nuclear power or nuclear weapons and I somehow culturally-osmosed the difference by the time I was in middle school.

Doomers will believe anything and if there isn't anything to doom about they will make shit up.

 

[Drain Todger]

Yeah, I was recommended a few combat videos on Youtube some time ago and what you describe seems accurate.
It's the natural way of things, if you have a mounted machine gun or grenade launcher on a Humvee, why would you let those fuckers come close enough to spray you with their 40 year-old AKs?
The videos I have seen were very "spray this hill in particular" with 40mm grenades and suppressive fire until the nearest A-10 blasts the area with a small car's worth of depleted uranium.
On the other hand, that way you get less casualties.

Close combat is dangerous as fuck, always. The most dangerous shit is entering and clearing a house, and then realizing it's been fucking booby-trapped and you have absolutely no fucking idea how much explosive material is in there. It could be an anti-personnel mine's worth. It could be enough to level the whole structure.

In the Middle East, a lot of houses are made of stone or mud brick and are extremely resistant to rifle fire. In Eastern Europe, there are a lot of brick and concrete buildings. Those buildings are basically bunkers. If someone is firing from one, it will take many rifle hits in the same place to chew through.

Nobody ever just rushes in and assaults a fortified location on foot. That's how people die. Imagine someone is firing a PKM from a window, and the whole wall of the structure is stone and you can't hit him with an overpenetrating hit at all, and no part of him is exposed long enough to even see the guy.



Would you just run at that guy across an open field with your rifle in hand like you're gonna go inside there and kill him? No. He lines up on you, puts a burst in you, and now you're dead.

That's why you wait in a ditch 400 meters away for the big boom.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Putim has apparently committed ALL the troops allocated at this point. He's got nothing left to throw at this at this point. If he doesn't secure the first round objectives now he's not going too anytime soon.

 

[OJ Simpson]

Putim has apparently committed ALL the troops allocated at this point. He's got nothing left to throw at this at this point. If he doesn't secure the first round objectives now he's not going too anytime soon.

We've been being told Putin is running out of time and troops since Day 2.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Putim has apparently committed ALL the troops allocated at this point. He's got nothing left to throw at this at this point. If he doesn't secure the first round objectives now he's not going too anytime soon.

Can he not allocate more? I don't understand the problem here.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

We've been being told Putin is running out of time and troops since Day 2.

Yeah but it has been documented that he's been moving more and more in. Considering not all of them are going to be combat troops, it's probably the logistics guys finally advancing.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Putim has apparently committed ALL the troops allocated at this point. He's got nothing left to throw at this at this point. If he doesn't secure the first round objectives now he's not going too anytime soon.

Implying he won't scrounge up Siberian krokodil addicts to throw at the problem until it goes away in case this fails. You underestimate the Russian spirit.

 

[An Avenging Bird]

Probably late because I don't keep up with whore news, but apparently OnlyFans has banned all its Russian girls. That's like cheese.bitch banning all the accounts from Wisconsin.

Whenever some libertarian sperg or lying shitlib (same thing, effectively) gives you the ol' private company, all about the profits bullshit, remember this.

It started with Alex Jones, then President Trump, and now all Russians are experiencing social annihilation.
Taking away an entire country's every avenue of making it in the world.
And these are the fucking people we're expected to trust with a digital ID complete with banking information included?

Corporations and governments are the enemy of humanity.
And I'm not saying that in an edgy anarchist way.
It's the truth.

They don't just want you down and demoralized. They want you dead.

 

[PeruvianPerun]

Did they half-ass this and not block various nitters

Does this question even need an answer?

Spoiler: it's not about Twitter itself, it's about the message

it's gonna be fine as long as addicts won't spam "here's 5 ways to access Twitter" everywhere

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Can he not allocate more? I don't understand the problem here.

He can and he can't. He'll have to pull them from other military districts, which will take time. Plus he's probably slightly paranoid about an attack from NATO, so he can't leave areas defenseless within Russia.

 

[Simpadoo]

This.

Remember Dieppe. Look it up. You'll get the picture.

The Chinese could only pull this off if they have air superiority, so we would watch for air traffic or a lot of ships capable of launching planes. None of these scenarios are far-fetched because of their current industrial capabilities.

Their marines are shit for now (if they call them that). They do have the swarm going for them but they may not be allowed, as the guy said, to even land at this juncture.

They are patient and things aren't getting better for their rival, so all they have to do is wait and keep growing economically.

 

[The Ugly One]

Probably late because I don't keep up with whore news, but apparently OnlyFans has banned all its Russian girls. That's like cheese.bitch banning all the accounts from Wisconsin.

Whenever some libertarian sperg or lying shitlib (same thing, effectively) gives you the ol' private company, all about the profits bullshit, remember this.

Hard to transfer funds to anybody when Russian banks have been kicked of SWIFT and Visa/MC have shut everyone down. Publicly being pissed off about it only makes people in Washington mad.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

The Chinese could only pull this off if they have air superiority, so we would watch for air traffic or a lot of ships capable of launching planes. None of these scenarios are far-fetched because of their current industrial capabilities.

Their marines are shit for now (if they call them that). They do have the swarm going for them but they may not be allowed, as the guy said, to even land at this juncture.

They are patient and things aren't getting better for their rival, so all they have to do is wait and keep growing economically.

They'd still take pretty heavy losses, even with air superiority. Taiwan's air defense is significantly better than Ukraines.

 

[RealMuthaForYa]

I don't even think we've heard much of the chechens doing retard shit.

Rotten.com had videos of Chechen rebels capturing young Russian conscripts and beheading them with blunt, rusty knives. This footage made its way to Mother Russia and lead to a reappraisal of the conflict. Ukraine may be a democracy, but a lot of the male population are thuggish and up for a fight. Ukraine is bigger than France, and has a population of 50m. Vlad may overrun Ukraine, but Slavs are historically bloodthirsty and they prefer nationalism over brotherhood They are quite willing to take umbrage over blokes in the next village, never mind mongrel shitstains from Russia. They are a mirror image of radical Islam. This is going to get messy.

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[Simpadoo]

The same people who said 20 years ago that it was wrong to discriminate against Muslims for 9/11 because it will just radicalize them

Spoiler: and guess what?

they were right

somehow think that starving Russians to death will magically make them want to overthrow Putin and kiss the ring of the people who are making their lives more difficult.

If it's one thing these slavniggers know how to do, is to suffer a lot.

They'd still take pretty heavy losses, even with air superiority. Taiwan's air defense is significantly better than Ukraines.

True, but they got the manpower, I don't think losses would affect them as much as they would any Western nation.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Yeah but it has been documented that he's been moving more and more in. Considering not all of them are going to be combat troops, it's probably the logistics guys finally advancing.

I've understood it to be combat troops holding ground while depots and forward operating bases and shit get set up for the next push. The Ukrainians doing hit-and-run tactics against the soft targets in the supply chain to delay everything as long as possible while they spin up their reserves.

 

[Generic Retard]

Close combat is dangerous as fuck, always. The most dangerous shit is entering and clearing a house, and then realizing it's been fucking booby-trapped and you have absolutely no fucking idea how much explosive material is in there. It could be an anti-personnel mine's worth. It could be enough to level the whole structure.

In the Middle East, a lot of houses are made of stone or mud brick and are extremely resistant to rifle fire. In Eastern Europe, there are a lot of brick and concrete buildings. Those buildings are basically bunkers. If someone is firing from one, it will take many rifle hits in the same place to chew through.

Nobody ever just rushes in and assaults a fortified location on foot. That's how people die. Imagine someone is firing a PKM from a window, and the whole wall of the structure is stone and you can't hit him with an overpenetrating hit at all, and no part of him is exposed long enough to even see the guy.

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Would you just run at that guy across an open field with your rifle in hand like you're gonna go inside there and kill him? No. He lines up on you, puts a burst in you, and now you're dead.

That's why you wait in a ditch 400 meters away for the big boom.

We should go back to muzzle loading rifles. Back then people surrendered when the time for the bayonet rush came, because slowly dying from a bayonet gut wound sounds as bad as it is. (Also fighting with bayonets and sabres in general is a lot messier for both sides than shooting each other with assault rifles)

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

True, but they got the manpower, I don't think losses would affect them as much as they would any Western nation.

Oh certainly, they also value human life even less than Russia. What would hurt them is how much of their navy they would lose, combined with the fact that the Taiwanese have a fair amount of missiles that can hit the mainland. It would be interesting to see play out, but I'd much prefer not to if it's all the same.