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HAPPY PAGE 200!

I tend not to check this thread every ping because new milk is rare, came back to he return and leaving and the discovery on her fursuits. So major thoughts on the last ~10 pages of this thread:

I don't think this is meth. I've dealt with too many meth heads, and she's actually not fucked up enough to be showing these behaviours, too much is missing. She also would've talked about it. She's just the right type of crazy for if there was meth she'd talk about.

This was textbook manic episode agitated by something else. My own episodes have taught me to expect anything from someone once they are manic. I'm not even type 1, but her horny postings have been as bad as some of my manic episodes, just I keep it private most of the time, though some of that has showed up on the farms, because mania makes you retarded, and if it ever happens again I better be shamed by you guys.

Mania does weird shit, sometimes I end up fucking my girl for a whole episode, other times I learn four new skills I'll never need again, sometimes I decide I want to know more about something and drain the well of easily accessible knowledge on such things dry, and one time I got a job a paleontological dig not far from me doing grunt work doing the day, and helping go through photos and compare them to what we were dragging up so as to save experts time later narrowing it down at night. Mania ran out half way through that one, but I still loved finishing that job up and I just want to give my manic self a high five for that awesome experience.

Other times I've destroyed relationships, friendships, property, committed crimes, lost jobs, ran up debt, got injured, and otherwise fucked up my life due to mania.

Mania often gets underestimated for how crazy it can get for some people, on its own the hit range is as wide as "let's go shopping" to "let's commit crimes" to "let's go to France" to "let's build a filter-less fresh water aquarium", and for myself and Alyssa that range is widened in both all directions by other issues. Yet mania isn't a free fucking pass to do dumb shit, you're still responsible for your behaviour, and you shouldn't brush it off as just quirky as the only thing keeping yourself in check is your own awareness and self control, those around you willing to tard wrangle you, and any professional treatment you're receiving.

The only reason her mania seems so exceptional is she plays it up, it is amplified by other things, she's BPD, and chronically online. Weed also makes mania do wacky shit. This is all mania+, and she needs to get off the weed, get off the testosterone goo, get some professional help, get some proper meds on a proper dosage, fix her diet, fix her bathing behaviours, and stop picking. Otherwise the next cycle will just be crazier.

Crazy gets worse as time goes on, and just because she used to seem normal, all that means is she was better at self moderation. I hope she gets better, but failing that I can't wait to enjoy the show of this collapsing of a human being.

Next is Micro-Boner's work situation, and being a cuck. I'm assuming he's doing something respectable, as there's been no grifting, so something better than minimum wage, likely something on the bottom end of skilled, or using his medical knowledge.

EDIT: Ah, so he's a bread winning mechanic. Thanks @Karen™! I wonder how this will play out. At least it's a proper job. Though them wanting to make an "actual safe place for really fucked up trans people" sounds like something is up with the tranch, and it not accepting her.

Beyond that, HAHA cuck, possibly getting cucked by his abandoned husband, but in reality he's most likely getting cucked by unknown third party.

Also dude needs to get out. I have a policy of trying to wish that things improve for all cows (exception for the really monstrous ones or those who have committed proper and severe crimes), even if they do it for themselves, and to wish they don't get worse, just because we need to remember these are other human beings, stupid and entertaining human beings, but still human.

For Micro-Boner for things to improve then that means he needs to get out and go back to his husband on the Tranch and turn that place around. That or completely de-transition and go back to normal society. Fix his fucking life. However, cows are cows and it only gets worse. He needs to man up and take responsibility.

Concerning Sky, dude move on. It's not worth it. This is pathetic, and creepy. Something is going to happen there, or is happening out of sight. I'm curious what that is going to be/is.
 
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Kindless is making excuses about why she doesn't have a job. She HAS to stay home and "recover" while Bonbon has to work. Notice how she tries to make Boner feel special about working full time while she gets to stay home: "Wow, I feel GUILTY about not working... but I'm so happy Bonnie isn't like my other boyfriends! He doesn't care about money, he just wants me to get better and follow my dreams!!!"

I think Boner must of have said something about Kindless getting a job, and now Kindless is trying to give excuses as to why she can't and make him feel bad about asking. That, or she feels a bit guilty for being lazy, so she's trying to make sure Boner knows how super DUPER sick she is, and that she TOTALLY would work if she could!

Oh, and I'm sure she's also mentioning it because she's sick of kiwis calling her lazy.
 
It's amazing to me that they've both trooned out to a varying extent and act like they're a super unique queer trans couple or whatever, but he goes to his 40+ hour a week job in a trade and she stays home all day and acts more or less like a bored housewife getting fucked up on prescription meds and fantasizing about fucking hubby's friends.

I don't see that arrangement surviving long term. She's not raising kids and doesn't appear to be keeping the house clean and in order. Bonnie's gotten tired of the sex, so what exactly does Kindness bring to the table other than an extensive rodent collection and a slew of crippling mental problems?

Bonnie's gonna get pretty fed up with coming home after a hard day of work and finding his girl either tweet storming about how unsatisfying his cock is, or in the midst of another mental breakdown.
 
Tell me more about the filter-less freshwater aquarium.
Sadly the aquarium project never manifested from that episode as acquiring the correct fish species was not possible due to what was available in the area. I did walk away with an excellent understanding of freshwater ecosystems however, and if I ever had the impulse again and could acquire those fish I suspect I could pull it off.

The goal is to provide and build as much of an ecosystem as possible, as such you need a variety of plants and animals, all of whom are fulfilling their own niche within the system to accomplish a stable environment for them all to live and survive. During the research and planning phase I had selected four species of plant, six species of animal, and a large tank for it. I also had designed an effective method being able to exchange the water in the tank to determine if it would even be long term viable to do for me within my home. When I failed to be able to purchase the correct fish, and got a list of every species I could've acquired in the area and compared all the new possible configurations, it just wasn't possible to have a viable tank at that time, and the urge to revisit the project has never been strong enough for me to do. Honestly, my cats would probably get in the way too much anyways.

I won't continue more on that anymore as it would shit up the thread with something completely off topic, but to try and bring this to something on topic just a bit:

Mania doesn't change the type of person you are, only your decision making process, energy levels, ambition levels, and your inhibitions. It makes you more likely to act on sudden urges, and to act without as much forethought. It won't make you suddenly have new types of urges and ideas, just up the frequency of them all while making you more likely to act on them. To go back to the aquarium, I normally would realize that it is a long term time investment I can't normally commit to and that my cats would get in the way, so it wouldn't be practical to go through on and I would opt to not bother, but during a manic episode I didn't consider those aspects. I only considered the monetary aspect and the logistical aspect of what it would take to put together, and both were deemed acceptable by me at that time, and even now I would say they are acceptable, it is the environmental and long term time commitment aspects that I find unacceptable for such a project when I am during normalcy.

This little tidbit is important as that means even without mania Kindness absolutely would be considering cucking Micro-Boner and being an absolute slut, as well as pissing and shitting in weird places, running around naked, and otherwise being what she is. Normally I suspect she knows that would be bad for her relationship, reputation, and so on. During mania however she just doesn't even think about it enough to have an opinion about it. The same goes for her other behaviours that are so self-destructive that appear during mania. She likely normally deems them unacceptable for whatever reason, that the consequences aren't worth going through with such behaviour, and those that merely worsen with mania, it is a case of knowing not to over indulge in such behaviour. Then mania hits and now she's not thinking through those consequences, and all kinds of actions and urges that would normally be considered unacceptable are not being considered at all, they are simply being acted upon. There is no consideration happening, just action. She's not thinking about things before she says them, she's just saying them. She isn't thinking about something before she does it, she just goes through with it. That's what makes her outbursts so dramatic. All that manic energy and her usual crazy flooding out all at once, and she lacks any dignity or self-control as a baseline at this point to begin with to help temper it.

If you ever wondered what the equation of "batshit insane" + "mania" + "attention whore" - "any desire to be a responsible human being" - "self-control" - "dignity" resulted in, the answer is the one, the only, Alyssa "Kindness" Jo Frauens!
 
Wonder if Bonnie keeps up the tranny act for work, or sensibly keeps that to himself.

What act? he dresses like a fatter hank hill, and I can't imagine he talks to anyone because he's a bitter asshole with no personality. Even on the tranch he only ever really posted to issue threats to the fictional nazis and the only time he hinted at a personality it was him aping alyssa's to keep that bpd pussy flowing.

I imagine he clocks in, works in a corner all day and clocks out
 
It's taken me a bit to get back to this, but one of the things I enjoy about KF is learning about all sorts of different shit. This will be my final sperg on the topic.

I have no interest in trying to lead the thread astray. What bothers me about this is other posters are claiming to have some experience here, but if that were true then I don't see how we could be in disagreement. It's very obvious already. I'm pretty sure they're just full of shit, as I'm about to explain.

What do I suspect is going on here? There are posters in this thread that have seen the "Faces of Meth" poster, watched Breaking Bad, and maybe saw homeless addicts screaming at lamp posts a few times and now think they can spot meth addicts. It's interesting how people do that, isn't it? Claim to know things because they heard them from other people or their TV told them so? So many feel like they have experience with things they've never seen with their own eyes.

The "Faces of Meth" thing was made by a cop, right? And who would cops normally be interacting with? Not any addicts during their earlier and more functional periods, that's for sure. Cops are always dealing with the worst cases in every regard. I wouldn't have been around anyone that would've attracted the attention of law enforcement. I haven't seen too many homeless addicts that look as bad as half the people on that poster, I think the absolute worst examples available must've been deliberately picked. That would make sense, wouldn't it?

So it's a bit like "Reefer Madness" but meth truly should be avoided at all costs.

Indulge me while I tell you about a time when I was still a wee lad. We had a tool shed in the backyard next to a woodpile. It was a magnet for black widow spiders. One day I took a propane torch and decided to kill all the black widows. It took a while, like a few weeks, since they're never all out at once. I had to keep going back to check for new ones. By the time I was done I could ID a black widow on sight, no matter what stage of its life cycle it was in. Did you know black widows aren't always black? When they're younger they're brown. As they get older, they enter this mottled black and brown stage. This becomes full-black and even later is when they finally get their red hourglass mark. I've never raised a black widow from hatchling to adult, I've never been a meth addict either. I've seen both in enough of their various stages to be able to easily ID them at this point though.

Let's compare meth abusers with alcohol abusers, it's really more like that than the TV would have you believe and booze is something that more people can relate to. Have there ever been people who, after taking their first sip of booze, went straight to the bottom? I'm sure that's happened before, but how often have you personally seen it? I have never seen it. It must be pretty rare, right? Same with meth. Meth abuse is kinda like alcoholism at first but meth will create more "pull" over time than alcohol will, pulling them back into it the more they've used it before. They're like alcoholics that keep falling off the wagon until a point comes where they can't stop anymore. Some drink every day, some only do it with friends, some prefer beer, some prefer liquor. When you go on a real bender you tend to clean yourself up for a bit, right? Her dark period was her clean period, her "oh shit I need to clean up a bit" moment. Do all alcoholics behave exactly the same, look exactly the same? No, but if you've seen it enough, it gets easier for you to recognize, doesn't it?

If you think she's faking anything by blowing up twitter for a whole week, you should try faking it for that long too. She isn't faking this, she was just stuck in the loop. She knows it's becoming pretty obvious which is why she pushes the adderall narrative.

Nobody goes from meth to adderall. It'd be like going from heroin to vicodin. If people could simply move backwards like that then there wouldn't be so many addicts in the first place. If someone has an adderall script and they start doing meth instead, they're going to start selling that much more expensive, weaker adderall so they can turn around and buy the much cheaper and stronger meth with that money. That's how that would play out. They wouldn't keep switching the drug they're taking back and forth. That just doesn't happen. Please stop thinking that meth and adderall are practically the same thing, it's more like the difference between vicodin and heroin. Night and day different.

Meth addiction is not uncommon at all, it's virtually certain that at some point in any 20 year career you've worked alongside someone who was on meth without you ever knowing it. It's always so much easier to hide in the beginning, like every other addiction, and my guess is she's been playing around with it since her late teens to early 20's.

Stealing shrooms and being a meth addict are two very different levels of socially acceptable. That so many people find it so unbelievable she's a meth addict should tell you something. It's because you're thinking "she can't be that bad, not that bad", right? It's because being a meth addict has such a bad reputation that you find it so hard to believe. Every addict knows that "meth addict" and "sex offender" inhabit almost the same place in most peoples' minds. Society only becomes aware of these addicts once these addicts can no longer manage their lives/bills and it can take a very long time before it ever gets to that stage. It just depends on the addict. Are they making enough time to eat, time to sleep? Some do and some don't. Each is a little different, even from those that are the most similar.

If you've ever seen over a hundred different variations, different expressions, of the same thing then how easy does it become to spot another? That's exactly what this is when I'm calling her a meth addict. It's because she is a meth addict. A very obvious one at that. I wouldn't keep pushing on this if there was a chance I was wrong.

The woman she reminds me of the most was dead at 45 and her family always paid her rent. It took her about ten years total of smoking meth before she was at Alyssa's stage. She smoked for 3 years then quit for 10. This is around the time I first met her, when she was clean the longest because she was a major "cannabis enthusiast" instead. Small PL, but I was dealing cannabis at the time (well over a decade ago) and I was her dealer. When you're involved in something illegal, people tend become more open and honest about their own shortcomings. This is why so many of them felt comfortable sharing one of their deepest, darkest secrets with a nobody like me. I wasn't selling cannabis for very long, but many of my younger days were spent around some form of illicit activity or another. The Alyssa-clone eventually burned me (BPD, remember?) so I cut her off. After we exited each other's lives, I heard she started smoking meth again. I ended up befriending another of her family members later on, without realizing they were related. This is when I saw her after she'd been smoking another 7 years, so 10 total. She was completely batshit, very much like Alyssa. She had about five years left at that point. She never looked more convincing than Alyssa already does in the picture I reposted, that's just what they look like most of the time irl. The dry lips, funky skin color, off-color teeth, slight grease layer covering all their skin, etc. The TV tends to exaggerate things. Haven't you noticed?

Alyssa is so obvious I can even tell you how she isn't doing it. She isn't snorting, she isn't swallowing. Almost certainly she's smoking it. Maybe injecting but that's doubtful, her behavior is too consistent. With the pipe they just keep hitting it as frequently as they want to, always keeping their level where they want. As they get less sleep they'll become more unpredictable and emotional, not getting "stuck" as often or long. Smoking it also doesn't mean that all her teeth are about to rot and fall out. It doesn't dissolve their teeth, it causes less saliva production that dries their mouth out which allows bacteria to grow much faster. So sipping water all day, brushing their teeth more often or just chewing gum regularly can minimize this effect immensely. Being an addict also means they don't take very good care of themself. They'll get worse about self-maintenance and any "damage mitigating strategies" (like sipping water, etc) as time goes on and their priorities become more distorted. Also, when they do sleep, they'll be grinding their teeth pretty hard. Takes years, like a decade usually ime, of smoking/shooting to lose all their teeth, unlike what that TV keeps telling you happens practically over night. Four first hand that I know of that had all their teeth removed. Early 40's through mid 50's in age, all were smoking at least 10 years (some smoked over 15, it really just depends on the addict). Two were missing only one of their rear teeth, but no one's teeth ever looked all rotten like you see on TV. You never would've known that all of their teeth needed pulling unless they told you.

What I'm getting at is that even though she's definitely a meth addict, this might take a little longer and look a little less exaggerated than some people seem to think it will. The woman who died at 45 never looked worse than Alyssa does in that picture I reposted. The last I saw her alive was just two years before she died and she never looked any worse than Alyssa does already. She was always a normal body weight, sometimes even a bit chubby, never had a "meth hag" looking face like the actresses they get to play meth addicts on TV. Recalling the black widow metaphor, if Alyssa were a black widow she'd already have that red hourglass mark on her. It's very, very obvious at Alyssa's late stage. This poor girl won't see 45 and she'll embarrass herself to no end before it's finally over.

I'm not saying that meth isn't bad, it's absolutely terrible and you should never try it even once. It's a very slippery slope from what I've seen. After a certain point there's just no recovery possible anymore, unlike opiate/heroin addicts that manage to get clean. The most horrible thing about meth isn't how quickly or visually it'll destroy you, but how slowly and completely it'll do it. There's no telling what kind of addict you'll become until you're already an addict. You really think she ever thought she'd turn out like this when she was a kid?

Don't let me stop you from thinking you know something just because you've seen plenty of TV in your life and your parents told you some similar shit.

Hopefully she's been reading the thread and realized shit's getting very obvious, if she just quit for a few months (as I believe) then there might still be a chance for her. I doubt it though. Experience tells me it's usually too late by this point. She'll have to be very dedicated to staying clean pretty permanently going forward. Probability is it won't be too long before she's hitting it again.
 
I don’t think it’s a matter of knowing meth addicts, it’s a matter of knowing Kindness, which I think we do pretty well after discussing and archiving all of her tweets for the past six months or whatever. I truly think that if she was smoking meth, she wouldn’t be able to NOT mention it over the course of thousands of tweets and dozens of manic posting episodes.
 
It's amazing to me that they've both trooned out to a varying extent and act like they're a super unique queer trans couple or whatever, but he goes to his 40+ hour a week job in a trade and she stays home all day and acts more or less like a bored housewife getting fucked up on prescription meds and fantasizing about fucking hubby's friends.

I don't see that arrangement surviving long term. She's not raising kids and doesn't appear to be keeping the house clean and in order. Bonnie's gotten tired of the sex, so what exactly does Kindness bring to the table other than an extensive rodent collection and a slew of crippling mental problems?

Bonnie's gonna get pretty fed up with coming home after a hard day of work and finding his girl either tweet storming about how unsatisfying his cock is, or in the midst of another mental breakdown.
Dont poison the well. Boner x Kindless 5ever. Power couple. Adoption arc when?

Also, I checked all of her furry Twitters for meth mentions. Only one had a joke about her bath salts and how they looked like "breaking bad". You don't need meth to look like absolute dog shit and ruin your teeth and health. Testosterone in female bodies, recreational drugs, weird meds, not sleeping for days, self harm, pizza lunchables, a possible ED, and a basket of mental illnesses can do it just fine.
 
I am considering what @super thug said and it's worth mulling over.

One thing I'd throw into that hopper is that P&P is very common among gay men, and she thinks she's a gay man.


But if Alyssa was a tweaker, wouldn't she and Bonnie use together?

Anyone seen a recent picture of Bonnaroo?
 
I am considering what @super thug said and it's worth mulling over.

One thing I'd throw into that hopper is that P&P is very common among gay men, and she thinks she's a gay man.


But if Alyssa was a tweaker, wouldn't she and Bonnie use together?

Anyone seen a recent picture of Bonnaroo?
Thanks KiwiFuzz. That website does reflect quite a bit about what I've been saying on this since I first brought it up.

If Paul has started on it then chances are that it'll be difficult to tell for a long time still. He wouldn't need nearly as much of it as she does, he wouldn't do it nearly as often either. Most people seem to snort it at first because most that are new to it are rightfully afraid of smoking it. The snorting hurts the sinuses so badly that they don't keep it up for very long before they start smoking it, usually. It almost always starts small and stays that way for years, typically.

They become a lot less afraid of smoking it once they see that pretty much everyone else that's been smoking it for years still has fairly decent looking teeth. They begin to realize that a lot of what's been implanted into the public's consciousness about this is quite exaggerated when compared to the actual reality. It lulls them into a false sense of security.
 
@super thug (I can't quote you.)
Were you on meth when you wrote all this? Kidding, kidding.

Whether Kindness is on actual meth or not, (I don't think she is, personally, but I can admit that I could be wrong because there really isn't any way to definitively tell from the information she has presented us with) to me, it kind of doesn't matter. Her being a hard drug addict would be pretty low on the list of things I am going to judge/laugh at her about when you consider the rest of her behavior. It obviously would be interesting to know if she is, but it wouldn't be what makes her a cow. She's got a thread here because of all the other insane shit she says and does. She has acted like a total freak for a while from what we can tell. She's gotten worse it seems, but people with mental issues usually do, they rarely get better without serious intervention and continuous care. If she is smoking tina, unless she's been on it for many, many years, it's probably more a symptom of her larger mental problems than the cause.

A lot of people want to pin the "drug addict" label onto cows because it isn't uncommon and would help explain some of their more ridiculous behaviors. Kindness is a meth head, Kevin Gibes is a secret painkiller junkie. Sometimes it turns out to be true, like with Chantal. It's fun to speculate about these things, but for me, I'm not going to consider it a part of their story until it's proven to be true for sure.
 
@super thug (I can't quote you.)
Were you on meth when you wrote all this? Kidding, kidding.

Whether Kindness is on actual meth or not, (I don't think she is, personally, but I can admit that I could be wrong because there really isn't any way to definitively tell from the information she has presented us with) to me, it kind of doesn't matter. Her being a hard drug addict would be pretty low on the list of things I am going to judge/laugh at her about when you consider the rest of her behavior. It obviously would be interesting to know if she is, but it wouldn't be what makes her a cow. She's got a thread here because of all the other insane shit she says and does. She has acted like a total freak for a while from what we can tell. She's gotten worse it seems, but people with mental issues usually do, they rarely get better without serious intervention and continuous care. If she is smoking tina, unless she's been on it for many, many years, it's probably more a symptom of her larger mental problems than the cause.

A lot of people want to pin the "drug addict" label onto cows because it isn't uncommon and would help explain some of their more ridiculous behaviors. Kindness is a meth head, Kevin Gibes is a secret painkiller junkie. Sometimes it turns out to be true, like with Chantal. It's fun to speculate about these things, but for me, I'm not going to consider it a part of their story until it's proven to be true for sure.
Fair enough, I don't really care what she does either. I do hope that it's not too late already, but I won't truly care either way. The reason I kept coming back to it was that I found it very unlikely that anyone else claiming to be able to recognize this could argue that it isn't the extremely obvious answer.

It acts just like a duck, it sounds just like a duck, it looks just like a duck.. but it's not a duck, it's some sorta deformed chicken instead?

This is also a topic that plenty of people seem to have a lot ideas about that don't align very well with reality. You can see why I'd doubt they were being honest about what they claimed to know.

I don't use meth, I use modafinil mostly when extra focus and energy are needed. I'll only use adderall in some very rare, emergency cases ;)
 
Holy fuck, can we stop sperging over the meth theory?

We don't know. Despite the many opinions, none of us know for sure. So why don't we focus on the 100991 observable hilarious traits she has, instead of posting fucking novels about how you once knew a meth head and therefore know?
 
Holy fuck, can we stop sperging over the meth theory?

We don't know. Despite the many opinions, none of us know for sure. So why don't we focus on the 100991 observable hilarious traits she has, instead of posting fucking novels about how you once knew a meth head and therefore know?
I could tell you all about heroin addicts too, but it isn't exactly relevant because she isn't a heroin addict.

Where and when did you wind up getting all this experience that you claim to have with different types of broken people? I'm so curious. You don't have to get as specific with anything as I did, just throw me a bone here.

I think you're full of shit. It seems very unlikely to me that you have any of that experience that you claim to. You want it dropped because the more people actually learn about how these things work IRL then the more people will eventually agree with me?
 
I could tell you all about heroin addicts too, but it isn't exactly relevant because she isn't a heroin addict.

Where and when did you wind up getting all this experience that you claim to have with different types of broken people? I'm so curious. You don't have to get as specific with anything as I did, just throw me a bone here.

I think you're full of shit. It seems very unlikely to me that you have any of that experience that you claim to. You want it dropped because the more people actually learn about how these things work IRL then the more people will eventually agree with me?
Psychiatric security job while getting neuropsychology and criminology degrees, that eventually led me to work in psychiatric facilities and an internationally famous slum.

Why are you so defensive? I don't fucking care if you think she's on meth. Just like no one cares that I don't think she's on meth.

No one can prove it yet and this constant fucking sperging is taking away from the thread. No one cares either way. If it turns out she's on meth, it's not going to be some ground breaking news.

Eat a snickers and go hang out with your plethora of meth heads if the topic is so important for you

We have all stated where we stand on this theory so why keep harping on it?
 
Come on, my dudes.

I am spending my one wild and precious life on a forum by and for complete autists where we laugh at the social media accounts of crazy people.

Maybe she's fucked up on meth, maybe she's BPD with occasional bouts of mania, maybe she is a literal succubus and someone needs to call an exorcist. Perhaps all three of these are true.

And maybe you're all Sky's sock puppets.

Short of an official police, psychiatric, or inquisitorial finding, the world may never know.

Yet we will still be here, always sperging, sperging, sperging towards freedom.
 
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