Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[A_Callow_Youth]

I saw how effective the molotovs were against that armored column in that video many pages back. The would-be bottle chuckers were seen on thermal optics, and then promptly wasted by what I can only guess was a vehicle mounted 50 cal. The forest they were hiding in was also deforested just like that scene in Predator where they cut down the trees with a hail of bullets. I'm not a gun expert by any means, but I was a little surprised to see holes blown in 24 inch thick hardwood trunks. The Ukranians who encouraged that should have just handed out pamphlets instead with the title:

How to become ground meat, a primer.

That was probably a 30mm autocannon from a BMP. That said, the problem wasn't the molotovs themselves, it was bad tactics. They had a long approach with no cover and no easy escape route, when the key to these kind of attacks is to be there and gone before the enemy even realizes that they're under attack.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

You'd probably be angry too if your country was being invaded and the world was giving you all help short of the actual military support that you needed.

I'd just flash a Chilean passport and be OK.

 

[Stoneheart]

The American farmer and oil driller is going to make fucking bank. The US is going to come out better in the deal as all the trade can be done favorably. Their competitor, Russia, is the one with limited export markets and everything having to be done at a discount. The US and China are the big winners here. Don't try to reframe this so they aren't.

the god damn dutch also win. all they do is farm and smoke dope and now when some food supply is cut of, they will make a killing.
Not even a nuclear winter would fix the dutch problem, they just farm indoor. fucking swamppeople....

 

[Retink]

It's like when NATO declared they wouldn't see their duty to mutual defense being triggered when Turkey sent fighter jets to Syria to fuck around and find out...
Should be common sense really.

Or when China took over neutral fishing zones and the USA-NATO forces just bailed on all of the small Asian nations.

Or you know, bailing in the middle of the night and cutting power to all facilities without informing anyone in Afghanistan, then drone striking a van of children for some reason.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

People have asked if it was this bad with the Russian hate and Russian hysteria during the Cold War.

I'm here to tell you, from actually being there: Not even in the fucking Army stationed in the fucking Fulda Gap.

This is just fucking unreal.

They didn't even act like this over Vietnamese refugees at the ass end of Vietnam and right after.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

Not even a nuclear winter would fix the dutch problem, they just farm indoor. fucking swamppeople....

 

[LUNEKO]

I didn't really want to believe the Russian stereotype of Ukrainians as retarded hohols, but their government hasn't done much to prove it wrong. Maybe all the smart Ukrainians left.

The smart Ukrainians bailed out of the country the second they became independent from the USSR

 

[Observotron]

Here's a thing regarding sanctions, even if it doesn't lead to an uprising (which it most likely won't but we live in a clown world), the sanctions will heavily damage Russia's ability to actually field a modern army, the 2014 sanctions are one of the major reasons why the next generation of equipment Russia had been working on like the T-14 and SU-57 have only had around a dozen of each made so far instead of the hundred or more Russia wanted by now, since their economy went into the shitter and made the parts needed to make them more difficult to acquire.

It's why instead of many countries banning that sweet, sweet, Russian oil, they've put sanctions on modern computer equipment and the like that's needed for newer military equipment. This whole "These sanctions will lead to the downfall of Putin" is PR talk, the actual objective is to make them not be able to even think about modernizing their military.

This is what a lot of people don't understand.

I see a common sentiment of "If we don't stop Russia now they'll come after the rest of Europe".

Well, they're already struggling in Ukraine, and that was before sanctions. Even if they take All of Ukraine, it's going to be years before they'll be able to take another country, and given the general preparedness after this they'll be even less likely to succeed.

So sure, maybe they'll try again, but it's more likely Putin is going to be dead or out of office before the country will be able to logistically.

 

[MeltyTW]

But Ukranibros, i though we were winning... Reddit told me so!

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I keep forgetting Nato knew this happen and left Ukraine to whether this anyway, I legit think they've seductive Ukraine as bait to economically cut-off Russia and favor other nations

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Russia's ban on Fertilizer...

That's not going to affect that crap that 18 wheelers now use as a fuel additive is it? I heard that shit mostly comes from... Russia? Am I remembering wrong? I know a shitload of 18 wheelers are stuck in the US cause sensors for that crap are backordered to the tune of months.

 

[The Big O]

The American farmer and oil driller is going to make fucking bank. The US is going to come out better in the deal as all the trade can be done favorably. Their competitor, Russia, is the one with limited export markets and everything having to be done at a discount. The US and China are the big winners here. Don't try to reframe this so they aren't.

I want to share your optimism that this will actually be a boon to the USA in the long-run, but the Biden administration are almost guaranteed to bungle up any sort of economic prosperity that would come out of this. He's already restricted our oil output that we're no longer exporting. And despite how fertile our midwest plains are, well... you've seen how easily communistic countries persecute their farming class to the point that it leads to a collapse of their food production and resulting famines.

If you have an inkling that this will turn around for us, I'm all eyes and ears. Though honestly, I think the prosperity is only a given if 2022 swings the way of Republican majorities in the House and Senate, and a Republican president in 2024, specifically Trump. If we could weather pure hell for the next two years and both of those scenarios are achieved, then our economy may indeed surge once more.

 

[Fcret]

Here's a thing regarding sanctions, even if it doesn't lead to an uprising (which it most likely won't but we live in a clown world), the sanctions will heavily damage Russia's ability to actually field a modern army, the 2014 sanctions are one of the major reasons why the next generation of equipment Russia had been working on like the T-14 and SU-57 have only had around a dozen of each made so far instead of the hundred or more Russia wanted by now, since their economy went into the shitter and made the parts needed to make them more difficult to acquire.

It's why instead of many countries banning that sweet, sweet, Russian oil, they've put sanctions on modern computer equipment and the like that's needed for newer military equipment. This whole "These sanctions will lead to the downfall of Putin" is PR talk, the actual objective is to make them not be able to even think about modernizing their military.

Don't you know bro - if sanctions can't shutdown Russia within a week and if there's even the slightest possibility of them being able to substitute a domestic good for a western good, then sanctions are useless and we should just give up and let Russia do whatever it wants.

 

[doesnotglow]

The idea of banning all the Russians from services as a way of hurting Russia really hasn't been thought through. Ideally the way you would do it is to allow common citizens to still access Western services and to forbid oligarchs and businesses and anybody politically involved. Allowing Russians to say, buy a shitload of crypto simultaneously hurts the Russian economy and generates good will in the Russian people towards the West as the economy collapses. By fucking over the common Russian Putin is able to generate propaganda that says that the West hates you and wants to fuck you over which is what the West is actually doing. Additionally you want Russians to have access to things like registrars and hosting services in order to host materials which would be targeted or blocked on Russian infrastructure. Western companies and politicians need to think this through a bit more.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

This is what a lot of people don't understand.

I see a common sentiment of "If we don't stop Russia now they'll come after the rest of Europe".

Well, they're already struggling in Ukraine, and that was before sanctions. Even if they take All of Ukraine, it's going to be years before they'll be able to take another country, and given the general preparedness after this they'll be even less likely to succeed.

So sure, maybe they'll try again, but it's more likely Putin is going to be dead or out of office before the country will be able to logistically.

And if its another slav country, like really, who cares?

 

[b0x]

The Banderivtsi (Ukrainian: Бандерівці, Bandе́rivtsi or bandе́rovtsy, Polish: banderowcy, Russian: Бандеровцы) are members of an assortment of right-wing organizations in Ukraine.

The term derives from the name of Stepan Bandera (1909-1959), head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists that formed in 1929 as an amalgamation of movements including the Union of Ukrainian Fascists.[1][2] The union, known as OUN-B, had been engaged in various atrocities, including murder of civilians, most of whom were ethnic Poles. This was the result of the organization's extreme Polonophobia, but the victims also included other minorities such as the Jews and Romani people.[3][4] The term "Banderites" was used by the Bandera followers themselves, by others during the Holocaust, and during the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by OUN-UPA from 1943–1944. These massacres resulted in the deaths of 80,000-100,000 Poles and 10,000-15,000 Ukrainians.[5]

According to Timothy D. Snyder, the term continues to be used (often pejoratively) to describe Ukrainian nationalists who sympathize with fascist ideology and consider themselves followers of the OUN-UPA myth in modern Ukraine.[6]

 

[Calvin Coolidge]

He’s a comedian-turned-president, not a war general.

Woe to the conquered.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

to generate propaganda that says that the West hates you and wants to fuck you over

Is it propaganda if its true...?

 

[Psychotron]

I love America, but I hate how weak we've become.
It's almost like I wish it great again.

It's like when NATO declared they wouldn't see their duty to mutual defense being triggered when Turkey sent fighter jets to Syria to fuck around and find out...
Should be common sense really.

We all know the woke-types, and the NPC-types change causes like seasons, but seeing Brandon bungle the situation by having not been part of a project that builds a strong America.


after so everyone so proudly flies the ,

It's not a good look for TPTB,

I'm sure it's all planned out from behind the curtain; but some action is about to unfold on the stage.

 

[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

Don't you know bro - if sanctions can't shutdown Russia within a week and if there's even the slightest possibility of them being able to substitute a domestic good for a western good, then sanctions are useless and we should just give up and let Russia do whatever it wants.

The sanctions up until now haven't effected the normal economy so much as the Oligarchs, so that's not the reason for the T-14's slow adoption, the thing is just a very very expensive Tank and its technology probably has teething problems we don't know about.

 

[Narcotics]

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As if voluntary combatants would matter a rat's ass in this.
Maybe the US would push for non-capital punishment, but would certainly not risk war with Russia over those idiots' heads.
Had to chuckle at "Reddit to WWIII Pipeline" though

"The american public wouldn't accept executions"
Lol why should they even care? No one is forcing american reddit trannies and fags to go die on an active warzone, if you go even after knowing that you can be captured and then executed beforehand then it's a you problem.