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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Russia to deploy up to 1,000 mercenaries to Ukraine as official warns Moscow could“bombard cities into submission”​

Russia is poised to deploy up to 1,000 more mercenaries to Ukraine in the coming days and weeks, as a senior Western intelligence official warned Moscow could "bombard cities into submission," an escalation that could lead to significant civilian casualties.
The US has already seen "some indications" that Russian mercenaries may be involved in Moscow's invasion of Ukraine "in some places," a senior defense official said earlier this week, but it wasn't clear exactly where or in what numbers.
"We've seen some indications that they're being employed," the official said.
Now, a US official tells CNN that Russia is planning to deploy up to 1,000 more mercenaries in the near future.
Stalled forces: Some Russian forces have struggled with morale issues and setbacks on the battlefield, including a massive convoy north of Kyiv that has remained largely stalled for the past several days.
The mercenary forces would fortify the flagging units, the official said, as Russia's invasion of Ukraine enters its second weekend.
The official added that the US believes the mercenaries already in Ukraine have "performed poorly when facing the stiffer-than-expected resistance from the Ukrainians," and that as many as 200 such mercenaries have already been killed in the war as of late February.
Meanwhile, US and Western officials expect Russia to increase the pace and strength of its strikes on key Ukrainian population centers, including the capital Kyiv.
An intensifying assault: Russia now seems prepared to “bombard cities into submission,” one senior western intelligence official said on Friday, which could include a significant increase in the number of civilian casualties.
“It’s a very crude approach,” the official said. “The heavier weapons are not just heavier in the weight, they’re also heavier in terms of the damage that they can inflict. And they’re far less discriminant.”
Other officials have noticed a shift in Russian strategy from military targets to civilians, with more attacks becoming focused on population centers.
"The days to come are likely to be worse, with more death, more suffering, and more destruction, as the Russian armed forces bring in heavier weaponry and continue their attacks across the country," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Friday.
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken echoed the sentiment during a press conference in Brussels Friday where he is meeting with European allies.
“The Kremlin’s attacks are inflicting an ever-increasing toll on civilians there. Hundreds if not thousands of Ukrainians have been killed, many more wounded, as have citizens of other countries. More than a million refugees have fled Ukraine to neighboring countries. Millions of people across Ukraine are trapped in increasingly dire conditions as Russia destroys more critical infrastructure,” Blinken said.

British PM Boris Johnson called Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro over war in Ukraine​

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson called Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro on Thursday to discuss the Russian invasion of Ukraine, according to CNN affiliate CNN Brasil.
The British leader reminded Bolsonaro that Brazil was a “vital” ally during the second World War, and that Bolsonaro’s voice was “crucial” in this moment of crisis, CNN Brasil reported.
A spokesperson for Johnson said both leaders agreed on "demanding an urgent ceasefire" and agreed that "peace must prevail."
According to a statement from Johnson's spokesperson, the prime minister added that "innocent civilians are being killed and cities destroyed, and the world cannot allow President Putin’s aggression to be successful.”
CNN reached out to Brazil's government for comment and has not received a response.
Some context: Bolsonaro has so far avoided condemning or sanctioning Russia, saying Brazil was taking a "neutral" stance.
He argued sanctions would impact the Brazilian economy as well, pointing out that the country's agriculture depended on Russian fertilizers.
During a weekly livestream on social media Thursday, Bolsonaro said, “Brazil remains in a balanced position and we don’t have the capacity to solve this issue."


Chinese state broadcaster censors call for peace at the Paralympics Opening Ceremony​


At the Opening Ceremony of the Paralympic Games in Beijing on Friday, International Paralympic Committee (IPC) president Andrew Parsons called for peace in his speech -- but a large part of his message was censored by Chinese state broadcaster CCTV.
“Tonight, I want to begin with a message of peace. As the leader of an organization with inclusion at its core, where diversity is celebrated and differences embraced, I am horrified at what is taking place in the world right now,” Parsons said, likely in reference to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
“The 21st century is a time for dialogue and diplomacy, not war and hate,” he added.
CCTV’s live commentary didn’t translate his description of the events taking place in the world, and most of the speech that followed. It also lowered the volume of Parsons’ speech on the broadcast and paused the sign language interpreters on screen.
During the Opening Ceremony, Parsons was seen clapping as the 20 athletes competing for Ukraine were introduced. But the scene of Parsons cheering for the Ukraine delegation was also censored, replaced with a wide shot of the stadium by the state broadcaster.
Some context: Earlier this week, the IPC banned Russian and Belarussian athletes from competing at the Beijing Paralympic Winter Games due to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
China has repeatedly refused to call Russia’s unprovoked military attack on Ukraine an “invasion,” instead calling for diplomacy and blaming the United States and NATO for "fueling fire" in the tensions.
This week, a Western intelligence report indicated that Chinese officials in early February requested that senior Russian officials wait until after the Beijing Olympics had finished before beginning an invasion into Ukraine. China responded that the report was “speculations without any basis, and are intended to blame-shift and smear China."

International Gymnastics Federation bans Russian and Belarusian athletes from competitions starting Monday​

The International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) has announced that starting Monday, Russian and Belarusian athletes and officials, including judges, are not allowed to take part in FIG competitions or FIG-sanctioned competitions.
The decision means that those athletes and officials from those two federations are barred from competing in the Acrobatic Gymnastics World Championships in Baku, Azerbaijan from March 10-13.
On Saturday, FIG had announced that Russian and Belarusian national flags would not be displayed, and the two countries' anthems will not be played at any FIG-sanctioned event.
Friday's announcement takes this a step further.
“The FIG would like to stress that these exceptional and emergency measures are decided and issued in view of the above-mentioned extraordinary circumstances,” FIG said in a statement on the organization's website.
“They constitute preventive measures aiming at preserving the integrity of Gymnastics, the safety and integrity of members and all athletes and participants, and at fighting against all forms of violence and of sports injustice," the statement continued.
“Russian and Belarusian nationals who are members of the FIG Executive Committee or of FIG technical committees are not affected by this measure when acting in their capacity as FIG Authorities," the statement said.
“The EC will continue to monitor the situation closely and may further adapt these exceptional measures according to future developments,” FIG added.

The US flew B-52 bombers over NATO's eastern flank on Friday​


The United States flew B-52 Stratofortress bombers over NATO’s eastern flank on Friday, exercising with the German and Romanian militaries in a sign of unity as the Russian invasion of Ukraine enters its second weekend.
The largest strategic bombers in the US Air Force took off from RAF Fairford, a Royal Air Force station in England, and conducted close air support and integration mission training, according to a statement from US Air Forces in Europe.
The B-52s then flew to Romania, where they conducted more close air support training as part of the bomber task force (BTF) missions.
The flight over Romanian airspace put the bombers right on the edge of NATO countries, adjacent to Ukrainian air space, where the Russian air force is trying to establish air supremacy.
“BTF rotations give us a critical opportunity to integrate and train with our allies and partners, especially during this difficult time,” said Gen. Jeff Harrigian, commander of United States Air Forces in Europe, Air Forces Africa, and NATO’s Allied Air Command.
“Training together ensures the defensive power of NATO remains unmatched,” he said.

US and NATO officials believe Russia now appears poised to "bombard cities into submission," source says​

US and NATO officials monitoring the war in Ukraine noticed a pronounced shift earlier this week in Russia’s strategy—namely, that Russia now appears poised to “bombard cities into submission," which could inflict significant civilian casualties, a senior western intelligence official told CNN.
“The heavier weapons are not just heavier in their in the weight, they're also heavier in terms of the damage that they can inflict,” the official said. “And they're far less discriminant. So, more casualties.”
“It is a very crude approach,” the official added. He said his experience with Russian leadership and Putin "leads me to judge that they have a completely different standard when it comes to respect for human life."
More background: US officials have warned in recent days that Russia's strategy appeared to be shifting from focusing primarily on military targets to targeting civilians, amid the realization that an initial plan to quickly capture Kyiv and topple the government had failed.
"The days to come are likely to be worse, with more death, more suffering, and more destruction, as the Russian armed forces bring in heavier weaponry and continue their attacks across the country," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Friday.
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken echoed the sentiment during a news conference in Brussels Friday where he is meeting with European allies.
“The Kremlin’s attacks are inflicting an ever-increasing toll on civilians there. Hundreds if not thousands of Ukrainians have been killed, many more wounded, as have citizens of other countries. More than a million refugees have fled Ukraine to neighboring countries. Millions of people across Ukraine are trapped in increasingly dire conditions as Russia destroys more critical infrastructure,” Blinken said.
The Washington Post first reported that significant civilian casualties, “massive loss of human life,” are likely in the days ahead, according to a senior Western intelligence official.
Blinken and Stoltenberg on Friday also pushed back against calls for a no-fly zone to be set up in Ukraine, warning that it could lead to a "full-fledged war in Europe" and saying they're doing what they can to help Ukraine defend itself against Russia's invasion.
In separate news conferences in Brussels Friday, both argued that a NATO no-fly zone simply wasn't realistic because of the risk that it would lead to a direct conflict between Russia and NATO.
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned NATO's decision to rule out the implementation of a no-fly zone over the country in a Facebook address late on Friday.
Zelensky said NATO's leadership on Friday: "Gave the green light for further bombing of Ukrainian towns and villages, refusing to make a no-fly zone. You could have closed the sky!"

Russian forces are approaching Ukraine's second-largest nuclear facility, US ambassador to the UN says​


Russian forces are approaching Ukraine’s second-largest nuclear facility, US Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield said at the UN on Friday.
“Russian forces are now 20 miles, and closing, from Ukraine’s second-largest nuclear facility,” she said without naming the plant.
According to Energoatom, the overseeing body of Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, Ukraine’s second-largest nuclear facility — in terms of power generation capacity — is Yuzhnoukrainsk Nuclear Power Station in the Mykolaiv Oblast, in southern Ukraine.
“President Putin must stop this humanitarian catastrophe by ending this war and ceasing these unconscionable attacks against the people of Ukraine,” the ambassador added.
Thomas-Greenfield said the imminent danger continues after a disaster was “narrowly avoided” last night, referring to the fire that broke out at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant early Friday local time in Ukraine as a result of Russian forces shelling the facility.
“The international community must be unanimous in demanding Russia’s forces stop their dangerous assault. And as I’ve said before, the people of Ukraine are counting on us and we must not let them down,” she said.
Earlier on Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of "nuclear terror" after Russian troops attacked the nuclear power plant in southern Ukraine.

Par Pacific Holdings suspends all purchases of Russian crude oil for Hawaii refinery​

Par Pacific Holdings, headquartered in Houston, Texas, announced Thursday that they’ve suspended all purchases of Russian crude oil for their Hawaii refinery.
“We intentionally diversify our crude oil sources from locations around the globe to enable us to meet the state's ongoing demand for fuels,” Par Pacific Holdings said in a statement. ��However, in light of recent geopolitical events, we have decided to suspend purchases of Russian crude oil for our Hawaii refinery.”
To meet its fuel production needs Par Pacific Holdings is planning to use “other grades of crude, principally from North and South America.”
“As the geopolitical situation evolves, we will work closely with our customers and partners in state government to make prudent decisions in support of energy assurance for Hawaii,” the statement said.
Par Pacific Holdings is the parent company of Par Hawaii and Par Hawaii Refining, which operates Hawaii’s only petroleum refinery in Kapolei, according to its website.
“For approximately 20-25% of our crude needs, we have historically purchased a Russian grade called Sokol which is produced relatively close to Hawaii, around the Sakhalin Island, north of Japan,” Eric Wright, the president of Par Hawaii, said in a statement.
Wright said the decision to suspend Russian crude purchases is not expected to have “significant impacts” on operations in the Kapolei.
“Fuel prices are driven primarily by global oil markets,” Wright said. “We do not expect our decision to have a meaningful impact on the prices paid by Hawaii consumers.”
The average price of regular gas in Hawaii is $4.66, according to AAA, and the national average is $3.83.

California governor orders agencies to review contracts to ensure compliance with sanctions against Russia​

California will welcome Ukrainian refugees and, per a new executive order issued by Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday, all California state agencies and contractors have been directed to review their contract in order to ensure comply with sanctions against Russia.
Though many California-based companies “have already taken steps to limit economic transactions with Russian entities, combat Russian misinformation and support Ukraine,” all private businesses, and other organizations are also urged to review their contracts, according to a news release issued by the governor’s office.
“California stands with Ukraine and the Ukrainian community in California – one of the largest in the country,” said Newsom. “Our state shares many close ties with Ukraine and will continue our efforts to support the nation’s brave fight for the fundamental rights and freedoms of its people.”
Ukrainian refugees fleeing the violence in their home country will be welcomed in California, and the state will continue to support Ukraine with military training, equipment, and humanitarian assistance, the release states.
“Over the last 20 years, the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services, along with the California National Guard and the California Emergency Medical Services Authority, has provided training and conducted exercises with the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces on utilizing the Emergency Management and Incident Command System,” the release said.

Ukraine officials release new video from inside Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant after attack​

Ukrainian authorities have released video from inside the control room at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station, which was taken over by Russian forces late Thursday.
The video shows the inside of the control room as an announcement rings out on a PA system aimed at the Russian forces outside.
Here is what the announcement said:
"Stop shooting at a nuclear dangerous facility. Stop shooting immediately! You threaten the security of the whole world!"
"The work of the vital organs of the Zaporizhzhia station may be disrupted. It will be impossible for us to restore it."
"You are endangering the security of the entire world. Attention! Stop shooting at a nuclear hazardous facility. Stop shooting at a nuclear hazardous facility!"
"Stop shooting at a nuclear hazardous facility! Attention! Stop it!”
More context: In a statement Friday morning local time, the State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate (SNRI) confirmed the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in southeastern Ukraine was occupied by Russian military forces, but said officials remained in contact with plant management.
The power plant's six reactors remained intact, though the compartment auxiliary buildings for reactor unit 1 had been damaged, the SNRI said in its statement. Four of the remaining units were being cooled down while one unit is providing power, the statement said.
Petro Kotin, head of Ukraine's nuclear power operator Energoatom, later reported that management were operating at "gunpoint." He said on Telegram that Russian forces "entered the territory of the nuclear power plant, took control of the personnel and management of the nuclear power plant."
Kotin warned that although the reactors are safe, further attacks could lead to "disaster."

 
Poland is now building up theirs after the war in Ukraine started.
Oh man that is such great timing, they can just start fucking not buying Oil Right now. I am sure that building Nuclear power plants during a period of Global Instability and Supply Chain issues will go quickly and swimmingly and they won't be sending money to Russia for the next decade. Oh wait..How much do you want to bet this is empty ass fucking propaganda and won't actually be followed through on?

The time to solve this shit was after Russia Invaded Georgia not 5 Years after Putin writes his name in Napalm on the Ukrainian Capital Building.

Again, Putin could have used politics and oil to get what he wanted. Instead, he invaded, and now, NATO has more support than ever, and the pipeline that would have brought more Russian oil (and influence) into central and western Europe got nixed.
He is going to likely get what he wants anyways because the 70 Year old Children that run the West talk a big game and do exactly zero to back it up.

Instead, NATO got all the free advertising it needed during the Russian invasion.
Yep, and they will all insist Daddy America spend even more of his Paycheck to protect them from Russia (while giving Russia Trillions)

The only Way Russia loses here is if by a Miracle of God (and I mean actual Divine Miracles here) the actual citizens of Russia get fed up enough with being punished for Putin's actions that they actually break out the torches and pitchforks, and I am not gonna bet on that.

France keeps making more of them nonstop.
That is because their current Plants are decades old and the new ones they are putting up are a decade behind, however they are reducing the amount of Nuclear power they are using, the plan is to go from 75% Nuclear Energy Generation down to 50% by 2035.

Because ((RENEWABLE)) energy must be embraced (For the Elites to Launder money through, while buying oil from evil dictators so the plebeians don't notice Green energy is a scam)
 
m-m-m-muh WWIII!
It's not fucking happening. Putin clearly displayed how pathetic his army is, and it's taking a beating. If NATO assists Ukraine on their soil to help push out Russians, he'd have little choice but to swallow his pride and fuck off.
All his posturing about nukes and consequences for anyone helping Ukraine is just that, it's "I'm so crazy don't go near me or I don't know what would happen!" act from a manlet, no one would let him use nukes. And conventional warfare would lead to the devastation of Russia's army.

NATO has to make a choice whether they're willing to allow a large scale genocide, let Putin have his way with Ukraine in hopes that he would stop there. It would only further embolden him and make NATO look weak, giving more fuel to his anti-West rhetoric and endangering the rest of Europe.
Putin only understands strength. People fell for his tough guy act - he's bitch made. And crushing his invasion would make even his most avid supporters in Russia question his capabilities.
 
m-m-m-muh WWIII!
It's not fucking happening. Putin clearly displayed how pathetic his army is, and it's taking a beating. If NATO assists Ukraine on their soil to help push out Russians, he'd have little choice but to swallow his pride and fuck off.
All his posturing about nukes and consequences for anyone helping Ukraine is just that, it's "I'm so crazy don't go near me or I don't know what would happen!" act from a manlet, no one would let him use nukes. And conventional warfare would lead to the devastation of Russia's army.
Exactly. If they're taking such a beating from resistance forces in Ukraine, a professional NATO force would send them packing. And if the Russians threaten nuclear reprisal, we've got our own nukes, too. They fire theirs, we fire ours. Unless they're willing to engage in Mutually Assured Destruction, they'll lay off the nukes.

NATO has to make a choice whether they're willing to allow a large scale genocide, let Putin have his way with Ukraine in hopes that he would stop there. It would only further embolden him and make NATO look weak, giving more fuel to his anti-West rhetoric and endangering the rest of Europe.
Depends. The Neocon side and the Democrats are looking for war, although the Ukrainians are really in the shit now if Putin is going to go full Dresden on them.

Putin only understands strength. People fell for his tough guy act.
He's not a tough guy. He's a spook. Best at manipulating people from a distance.
 
To clarify my position here: I'm a non-interventionist by nature, so you won't see me actively demanding that we go to war with a nuclear power any time soon. Furthermore, I detest all of the previous NATO interventions that were proactive (i.e. Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya). I was against Hillary's demand for a no-fly zone in Syria back in 2016 and I'm damn sure against Zelensky's demands for a no-fly zone in Ukraine. With this in mind, Russia is a (former) G8 country, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, and a cornerstone of the global economy due to its exports in hydrocarbons and raw materials. It's not like Russia is some middle power who's dealing with a regionalised conflict; Russia (even as the rump that it is today) is one of the world's great powers and holds a significant amount of influence politically, economically, and militarily. It might not be on the same level as the USSR was, but by all counts, Russia has managed to reclaim a ton of metaphorical lost ground over the last two decades.

Here's my problem with modern Russia: they have a horrible history of bloody intervention in the affairs of countries significantly smaller than they are. Obviously, the USA is no better because of Monroe Doctrine, Iraq, Libya, and Syria and I condemn the USA's shit foreign policy just as much as I condemn Russia's. However, the difference between Russia and the USA is that the USA's war crimes are on display for the entire American public to see whether the US government wants it or not. The USA has some questionable human rights practices, but it really must be said: the fact that we retained access to unflinching coverage of the damage that the USA has done to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria speaks volumes about the type of society we live in compared to the one that Russians live in.

After the first Chechen war, Putin learned that unflinching coverage of the reality on the ground is not desirable if he wants to retain public support. So what does he do? He puts an effective leash on the press which has only broadcasts Kremlin propaganda for the last 22 some odd years. The second Chechen war initially received a shitload of public support in Russia due to all the terrorist attacks caused by Chechen jihadis/separatists. Putin made sure to retain that public support by heavily limiting the press's freedom by only allowing them to air what he wants aired in the first place. Grozny was at one point in time, the most destroyed city on Earth due to the sheer volume of aerial bombardment and shelling that went on. However, the Russian public wasn't aware of the sheer devastation that went on in Chechnya, much less the circumstances that led up to the first and second wars in the first place. All they could see were the kidnappings, killings, and extremism that went on in Chechnya. They didn't see how the Russian army indiscriminately killed civilians, bombed infrastructure, or any of the other war crimes that they committed. Yes, the Chechen terrorists absolutely deserved to get crushed, but that didn't mean Russia had to indiscriminately kill civilians and further embolden the separatists. Nowadays, Chechnya remains quiet but that's only because Ramzan Kadyrov is an unhinged madman who's even more brutal and repressive than Putin is himself. Also not helping matters any is how Russia just claimed they were fighting Islamist terrorists just like the USA was post-9/11 and the international communtiy to give his actions a pass.

When Georgia was flirting with the idea of NATO and EU membership, Russia squarely clamped down on the ideals of the Rose Revolution by getting involved in Georgia's conflicts with Abkhazia and South Ossetia. To be fair, Abkhazia and South Ossetia already had issues but they were Georgia's to resolve. Russia didn't need to get involved with the conflict whatsoever. Whatever happened to that classic line of not getting involved with domestic affairs of other countries? That sure as hell didn't exist with the Russo-Georgian War. What's more is that the Russians have been gradually expanding the borders of South Ossetia with almost no pushback whatsoever because let's be honest here: what kind of tangible defense could a small country like Georgia hope to mount against Russia? The international response was full of condemnation, but little tangible consequence whatsoever. Putin certainly wasn't celebrated like he was during the Chechen Wars, but let's be honest here: the international community still gave him a pass with Georgia.

A few years later, Russia gets involved in Syria by propping up the Al-Assad regime. To be absolutely fair here, the USA had no business in getting involved in Syria either and I strongly condemn the Obama administration for getting us involved in that mess to begin with. However, the destruction that the Russians inflicted upon Aleppo and Idlib was several orders of magnitude worse than anything the USA did in Syria... or Iraq for that matter. The sheer indiscriminate bombing and shelling of Aleppo and Idlib eerily mirrors what the Russians did under Putin's command in Chechnya. Not to mention that Aleppo was Syria's second most populous city at the time (if I'm not mistaken) and the sheer influx of refugees in neighbouring areas like Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon became too much for those countries to handle. I'm not trying to downplay Assad's role in this because he was the one who greenlit the Russian offensive in the first place in the hopes of ousting the rebels. Again though: Russia didn't have to basically level Aleppo and Idlib to the ground. Were there mixed reactions? Of course, but again: it's Syria, not Israel, Kuwait, or Saudi Arabia that the Russians were shelling so nothing of substance happened to Russia by the international community.

Finally, we get to Ukraine. I'm not going to pretend like Ukraine wasn't devoid of strife prior to the Russian invasion. It was a corrupt shithole before and it's still a corrupt shithole now, the only difference now is that it's getting turned into Grozny 3.0 while Zelensky's approval skyrockets thanks to good international PR. What makes Ukraine different from Chechnya, Georgia, or Syria is the fact that Russia is the aggressor against what Putin claims to be a "brother" nation. At least in Chechnya and Georgia's situation, they were Caucasian regions that the average Russian wouldn't think twice about today. At least in Syria (and Kazakhstan)'s case, Russia was invited by the ruling regimes to help quash insurgencies. Ukraine didn't have any of this pretense from 2014 to now. The annexation of Crimea is contentious, but I firmly believe that it was Ukraine's issue to resolve, just like Abkhazia and South Ossetia were Georgia's issues to resolve. Russia had no place to get involved in the affairs of a sovereign nation unprovoked for the third time, much less trapping yet another nation into frozen conflicts where the only reprieve is embracing the Kremlin. If Russia sought to bring Ukraine into the fold again, the Kremlin absolutely failed multiple times because each of their successive attempts at intervening in the affairs of Ukraine emboldened the people to step away from them even further. Zelensky comes from a Russian-speaking background and he won the 73% of the vote fair and square. If a literal comedian who runs on a pro-Western campaign manages to win fair and square, that pretty much proves that the Ukrainians have been long past the point of embracing the Kremlin for damn near a decade straight.

It's not like I'm ignorant of Russia's primary security concerns. I know that Ukraine provides valuable buffer space to the Volgograd Gap and that any hostile (or potentially hostile) power who encroaches upon it poses an existential threat to Russia itself. In all practical terms, Ukraine would've been better off if it opted for a policy of armed neutrality like Switzerland does. Here's the problem though: Ukraine was already a neutral buffer state when Russia invaded. Yes, Ukraine had aspirations of joining NATO and the EU, but there were already a shitload of roadblocks that the Ukrainian government couldn't overcome that stood in the way of those goals. The biggest one that comes to mind is how Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 along with the separatism of Donetsk and Luhansk basically made it impossible to join NATO in the first place due to the issue of unresolved territorial disputes. Granted Russia was the aggressor in this situation, but that still doesn't change the fact that unresolved is unresolved at the end of the day. The fact of the matter is that Zelensky would've been ousted in the upcoming elections anyway and replaced with yet another ineffective candidate who talks a big game but can't accomplish much in the scheme of things. Instead of letting the cycle of Ukrainian politics take its course, Russia instead opted to invade a sovereign nation for the second fucking time... and a significantly larger nation at that.

At this point in time, modern Russia's proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they can't be trusted. Again: the same is true of the USA as well and I'm not going to deny that. However, Russia has no place bitching about Western interventionism when they're literally guilty of doing the same shit but in a more brutal and senseless way. I can't predict the future, so I'm not going to make any claims about what Russia's fate will be. With this in mind though? I'm not going to condemn the international response because for the first time in God knows how long, the international community is taking effective measures at curtailing Russia's inability to play nice with their neighbours.
 
It seems that Putin has decided; if he can't have the Ukrainian people on his side, there will be no Ukrainian people left.

As I said before, Putin has the attitude of "if I can't have it, then no man shall!" And the upcoming bombardment upon Ukrainian cities are proof of that.

Tick-tock, NATO. The clock is ticking. The world will find out if NATO is serious about curtailing Russian aggression in these coming days. Or if it's all just hot air and gas as entire cities are engulfed in flames.
 
Tick-tock, NATO. The clock is ticking. The world will find out if NATO is serious about curtailing Russian aggression in these coming days. Or if it's all just hot air and gas as entire cities are engulfed in flames.
What do you expect NATO to do here?
Should we just skip the proxy war bullshit and move right to first nuclear strikes?

And this position of several posters that Putin is losing it BUT won't use nuclear weapons after a direct NATO confrontation is fucking contradictory and retarded.
 
What do you expect NATO to do here?
Should we just skip the proxy war bullshit and move right to first nuclear strikes?
It will inevitably end that way, when Putin takes a desolate Ukraine and his troops mass on the border with Poland.

I think my main concern is that if U.S goes to war with Russia. Than China will most likely join in which will than cause world war 3. That's why I been so concern on that part. If everybody's been wondering
China will most likely sit this out and let Russia and America bloody each other, before moving in to finish both off. Thus securing for itself the status of being the only game in town.
 
It will inevitably end that way, when Putin takes a desolate Ukraine and his troops mass on the border with Poland.


China will most likely sit this out and let Russia and America bloody each other, before moving in to finish both off. Thus securing for itself the status of being the only game in town.
That would be a smart strategy. Since Russia is more of a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type alley for China.
 
That would be a smart strategy. Since Russia is more of a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type alley for China.
I suspect their role in this to be similar to what the French did in the Thirty Years War, where they egged on various other powers to fight the Hapsburg Empire, then they dealt the finishing blow themselves when the Hapsburgs were weak and bloodied from all the fighting. China will egg on Russia to take on America, then when both sides are too weak to stand, China will wipe out the stronger one and subjugate the weaker one. Or at least try to, anyways. Their army doesn't look like it can do much outside of bossing around Tibetans and Uighurs.

NATO can't not interfere in this war, at the current state, since they have no justification to deploy troops. So unless Russia suddenly attacked a NATO member country's land or forces, the only thing NATO can do is sending material support for Ukraine. That's it, nothing more
Then based on this upcoming bombardment, if NATO doesn't step in, they can kiss Ukraine goodbye.
 
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CNN halts broadcasting in Russia.

What allowed Putin to sell this war is brainwashing Russian people for years with state propaganda. Cutting off outside media sources seems like a smart idea indeed.
I thought in wars before our time the objective was usually the opposite.

Not that anyone watched CNN here anyway.
NATO can't not interfere in this war, at the current state, since they have no justification to deploy troops. So unless Russia suddenly attacked a NATO member country's land or forces, the only thing NATO can do is sending material support for Ukraine. That's it, nothing more
And Putin had no justification invading Ukraine, outside of manufactured bullshit that no sane person believes. Yet he did it anyway.
You still think rules apply?
 
I suspect their role in this to be similar to what the French did in the Thirty Years War, where they egged on various other powers to fight the Hapsburg Empire, then they dealt the finishing blow themselves when the Hapsburgs were weak and bloodied from all the fighting. China will egg on Russia to take on America, then when both sides are too weak to stand, China will wipe out the stronger one and subjugate the weaker one. Or at least try to, anyways. Their army doesn't look like it can do much outside of bossing around Tibetans and Uighurs.


Then based on this upcoming bombing, they can kiss Ukraine goodbye.
Again, the fate of this war depends on how much Ukraine is willing to sacrifice their people and country. The most likely possibility for Ukraine winning this war is if the Russian military continue to suffer losses that they just couldn't bear anymore, especially with their increasing isolation and economic burden

See, there's actually precedents for this many times in history. American pulling out of Vietnam and Afghanistan/Middle East, and western countries fighting in colonial wars post-WWII. All of those ended with the "invaders" pulling out after their losses clearly outweighs any gains they could possibly gain from going all in...

However, one thing to note is that all of those countries are democratic, so popular support can, and did, influence how the war is going. Can the same be said to the increasingly authoritarian Putin's Russia?

Unrelated, but remind me again, but has Russia opened their stock exchange yet?
 
And Putin had no justification invading Ukraine, outside of manufactured bullshit that no sane person believes. Yet he did it anyway.
You still think rules apply?
The rules are only a protection if everyone agrees to be bound by them. Putin and his Russia obviously don't abide by such rules.

Again, the fate of this war depends on how much Ukraine is willing to sacrifice their people and country. The most likely possibility for Ukraine winning this war is if the Russian military continue to suffer losses that they just couldn't bear anymore, especially with their increasing isolation and economic burden

See, there's actually precedents for this many times in history. American pulling out of Vietnam and Afghanistan/Middle East, and western countries fighting in colonial wars post-WWII. All of those ended with the "invaders" pulling out after their losses clearly outweighs any gains they could possibly gain from going all in...

However, one thing to note is that all of those countries are democratic, so popular support can, and did, influence how the war is going. Can the same be said to the increasingly authoritarian Putin's Russia?
Based on the reports, Russia is ready to take off the kid gloves and start bombarding cities into dust.

America pulls out because for all their bluster, they can no longer go full Dresden on their opponents. Either they don't want to, as was the case with Vietnam, or the enemy are too scattered to focus that much firepower on one spot.

Putin's Russia is a mob state, and he's the top don. He doesn't give a flying shit about what the people think. It's not like America where Trump and Biden retreated from Iraq and Afghanistan because the people have had enough of war.
 
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