Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[LUNEKO]

Calm the fuck down, you goddamn idiot. I never once, NOT ONE FUCKING TIME claimed starvation. I tried to explain that the price would go up. Never claimed we'd run out, all i said was the price would go up and that would drive the price of our stuff upwards. You are dumb, or you are dishonest, you don't seem to grasp the very basic ideas of economics. if the supply goes down, the price goes up. This shit is very interesting to me, I openly admit you seem to know more about it, but your conclusions are just wrong. I can't see how you can claim the prices aren't gonan go up when they have been.

You jackasses try to put words in my mouth and then argue against the dumb shit you said i said. Your flailing around acting like because you did something that apparently you are the only one qualified to speak about it amuses me to a point. I don't have to drive a truck for 50 years to know the route from chicago to st louis. I don't have to have a 10 thousand acre farm to know that if you have to pay extra for what you need that it's gonna make the total cost a bit higher. I don't have to spend 20 years working at a group home for retards to know one when i see one.

Here is a couple of sources saying the same things I am

https://www.wlfi.com/news/farmers-f...cle_01a222ab-0d01-5f82-9992-30f22494adfa.html

https://farmpolicynews.illinois.edu...isruptions-as-grains-extend-blistering-rally/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...up_1000_a_month_due_to_fertilizer_prices.html

lol calm down, why are people melting down out of the sudden

 

[Yuri_]

Zelensky has left the country -- he has been spotted attending a big gathering with his family. See the vid for irrefutable proof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHgxOXEQaFU

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

Vladmir Putins threat to use nukes. What do you think I am talking about Santa Claus?

is this Putin in the room with us?
can we talk to him?

 

[Duke Nukem]

“If you don’t side with us, you’re against us”

I will do what I must...

 

[Sammich]

lol calm down, why are people melting down out of the sudden

NO YOU CALM DOWN GODDAMN IT!!! yeah, i get a bit to invested in some of the stuff here.

I'm sorry!

 

[Mussi]

Vladmir Putins threat to use nukes. What do you think I am talking about Santa Claus?

You've been ranting about Putin shills in this thread for days while virtually no one has been talking about Putin in any sort of positive light. It makes you look like a stupid schizo, stick to /pol/ if you want to do more than shout at a wall.

 

[Big Nasty]

lol calm down, why are people melting down out of the sudden

Defenders and attackers digging in and preparing for a stalemate.

 

[Disheveled Human]

You've been ranting about Putin shills in this thread for days while virtually no one has been talking about Putin in any sort of positive light. It makes you look like a stupid schizo, stick to /pol/ if you want to do more than shout at a wall.

Look if you have to lie and back track it is what it is... Some people just do not like to admit when they are wrong and that's OK.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Can we just shut up about moral high ground and just watch Slavs kill each other?

Here's apparently a Russian pilot who ejected, and the locals found him before the military did.

Spoiler

 

[Happy Fish]

“If you don’t side with us, you’re against us”

Who needs to learn history when you can just repeat it?

 

[Matt Damon]

virtually no one has been talking about Putin in any sort of positive light

Putin gets me all horny with his bald septuagenarian manlet energy.

 

[Mussi]

Look if you have to lie and back track it is what it is... Some people just do not like to admit when they are wrong and that's OK.

Who has been praising Putin? People have overrated the Russian army and have made wrong predictions, but pretty much every post that I've seen that mentions Putin in any way has been doing it disparagingly.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Look if you have to lie and back track it is what it is... Some people just do not like to admit when they are wrong and that's OK.

Please take this

 

[Mr Bunny]

Did everyone go off their meds at the same time ITT?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Can we just shut up about moral high ground and just watch Slavs kill each other?

Here's apparently a Russian pilot who ejected, and the locals found him before the military did.

Spoiler

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At l;east the OG Nazis put ours in Stalags wtf is wrong with them, they make real Nazis look fantastic by comparison.

 

[Fraiser crane]

Looking for a job and what the actual fuck

 

[Cold Root Beer]

Seeing as people keep accusing this thread as having a bias, I had an idea.

Let's wargame out some strategies for the Ukraine that don't involve magical thinking (NATO intervening, Ukraine managing to indefinitely conventionally repulse the Russian offense, Russia just giving up apropos of nothing).

I'll start: If I was commanding Ukraine, I'd accept that the west and NATO will not be able to seriously help or make any real impact. So, instead I'd go max scorched earth, Iraqi Army style. As the situation looks bleaker, I'd start blowing the pipelines and igniting the natural gas wells. The Russians and the west would both panic in chaos at the action, and it could result in some interesting political outcomes on both ends. If nothing else, it would be a nice "Fuck you" to Russia even as they succeed in their takeover.

Otherwise, I'd start caching weapons and supplies and organizing militia and guerilla elements to conduct irregular warfare Afgani-style, rather than continue to fight conventionally where the loss is practically guaranteed.

What strategies does everyone else have?

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Putin acted the way he did because he was pushed to that point. That's not excusing him, that's explaining his actions.

Putin was pushed into jack shit. He's never been happy about the breakup of the Soviet Union. He's multiple times engaged in wars to secure former Soviet territory and/or prop up his popularity in Russia. This was just more of the same. He thought he could grab Ukraine any time after he grabbed Crimea so easily back in 2014, and decided now would be a good time. Unfortunately for him, he underestimated how little interest most of Ukraine had in being absorbed by Russia, how much progress Ukraine had made towards not getting easily beaten like they did in 2014, and how successful they'd be at screaming for the rest of the world to do something.

If he hadn't invaded, nothing would have happened. Ukraine's disputed territory would make it easy for NATO to deny it membership. It joining the EU would be dragged out for years. Status quo continues in the region until Putin dies of old age.

OK, here goes my second hand info from someone, who lives in Eastern Ukraine. Of course take it with a grain of salt, as it's might be another propaganda. Numbers of dead russians might be higher than ru military disclosed, although not as high as ukraine wants you to believe. Thing is, not only azov (or army) using civilian clothes to ambush, they using suicide bombers to take out columns. And already did it not once and not twice. Again unverified information and second hand account.

I'm fairly sure "worse than they disclose, better than their opponent claims" goes for both sides in this. Ukraine and Russia are both claiming they've killed more than they have, while pretending they haven't lost as many as they have.

 

[draggs]

They had big strong armies ----in---- their countries. Wasn't their armies though, West Germany had American troops and East Germany had Soviet troops. Both sides put troops and dumped money into Germany because of Cold War dick measuring.

I would argue post 90s Germany is less castrated than whatever it was during the Cold War since its one country again, exerts actual influence in Europe, and isn't merely propped up as a pawn of global superpowers.

West Germany had an army of half a million men at its height and it was widely considered to be the best army in NATO. They were the front line of defense if red storm rising ever happened until American reinforcements could get across the Atlantic and French and British armies could fully mobilize and get into West Germany

East Germany had an army not even half as big but they were considered to be a very good army as well

 

[MeltyTW]

Look if you have to lie and back track it is what it is... Some people just do not like to admit when they are wrong and that's OK.

oh if you mean things like people overestimating russias abilities to use this to somehow become a new world leading empire in spite of this thats just how kf operates they dont like the west leaders being hypocrites and this is convenient for them to spite people who support them over and other people who care more about some things vs their interests.

Can we just shut up about moral high ground and just watch Slavs kill each other?

Here's apparently a Russian pilot who ejected, and the locals found him before the military did.

Spoiler

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most successful slav flight program

At l;east the OG Nazis put ours in Stalags wtf is wrong with them, they make real Nazis look fantastic by comparison.

de nazi fication was specifically referring to removing all the westernized pussified "logistics" and going back to conscript war slave waves and tanks fueled by vodka made from old distilleries.