War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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NATO can't not interfere in this war, at the current state, since they have no justification to deploy troops. So unless Russia suddenly attacked a NATO member country's land or forces, the only thing NATO can do is sending material support for Ukraine. That's it, nothing more

I agree with this in theory. But NATO also claimed they "weren't deploying troops in Libya or Syria, just air and logistical support" until they were actually caught with boots on the ground.

Russia and China have pulled the same tricks too. That's litterally how the ChiComs seize islands in the South seas. "How coincidental! Our massive fleet that was just out for a stroll happened to build a few bases on these islands in someone else's waters! Whoopsie Doodle!"


When it comes to warfare, best to assume nobody plays by the rules. Wouldn't surprise me if there were already foreign troops of some other region or nation there. We've already got Russians, Ukranians, a few Chechens, just off the top of my head.
 
Hes smart enough to attack countries that no one will come help
This has to be one of the dumbest posts on Kiwi Farms. This very thread has posts about how the West is shipping weapons, ammo, and other supplies to Ukraine like its a reverse of WW2 and you say nobody is willing to come help? Sure, maybe if Kiev falls and Russian troops get close to the Polish border there's going to be a mysterious counter-attack by a bunch of Polish volunteer divisions that formed out of thin air with the Polish Army nowhere to be found like the Chinese crossing the Yalu River, but until then, Ukraine's handling the situation surprisingly well.
There was still some collusion, as while the Germans pounded Britain and France proper, Japan went after their colonial holdings in Asia.
The Japanese actually would have stayed out of WW2 until the Germans handed them intelligence from captured Royal Navy assets that said the UK was pulling out of Asia to deal with the European war. "Hey man, if you guys want to go take over the British Malay since there's nothing but a token garrison left, go right ahead." Hell, the Japanese demanded the French post-Compiegne hand Vietnam over to them.
USA joined WW2 because of Japan. That's a fact. It may have been giving guns to British beforehand, yet that doesn't change the fact that they did not declare war over Poland, or even France.
We declared war on Japan in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. And then the weird-ass sense of Teutonic honor Hitler had compelled him to declare war on the USA because the man felt compelled to stand by his allies. The Japanese of course were as blindsided as we were by that declaration, because to them Germany declaring war on the USA when Hitler's got more than enough problems at home (like say, an air war with the English and an invasion of the USSR, neither of them proceeding necessarily as planned) as so patently and obviously dumb that they disregarded the mere possibility of such during their war planning. Like, how the fuck was he going to help Japan out? Send troops via the Trans-Siberian Railway? Ship Japan supplies through the Suez or Panama Canals?
They didn't promise that, and that's not why NATO was created. NATO was created as a anti-russian alliance to protect smaller European nations against Russia. In regards to Eastern Europe, read up on Yalta, Postdam Conferences. It gave those states to the soviets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference#Aftermath
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Polish_legislative_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference#Poland
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Stalin played them like a damn fiddle. By mid-March it was obvious he wasn't going to live up to the agreements regarding democracy and self-determination at Yalta and the Potsdam Conference in August did nothing to resolve the situation. Perhaps if the overall strategic situation had been better for the UK they would have gone ahead with Unthinkable, but alas, they were convinced it wasn't likely enough to succeed to go through with it.

So yes, the West "gave" those states to the USSR, if only because they felt the cost of freeing them from the Red Army boots on their necks to be too much to bear.
NATO can't not interfere in this war, at the current state, since they have no justification to deploy troops. So unless Russia suddenly attacked a NATO member country's land or forces, the only thing NATO can do is sending material support for Ukraine. That's it, nothing more
Well... its proving pretty damn effective, is it not?
SINGAPORE!? Fucking Singaporean actually doing something outside of making and counting their money?! Holyshit...
Well, we all thought the Swiss would do nothing except insist the Russian oligarchs were absolutely not storing any embezzled funds inside their banks, but look what happened.
This thread has convinced me that Putin Derangement Syndrome is a very real thing. So many people running around calling this man an idiot who has no idea what he is doing when he was an agent for a secret service of a country that was headbutting the most powerful country in the world for years, survived the fallout of that country when they lost the cold war, and installed himself as the autocrat of a country formed from the ashes of the USSR under the guise of democracy. Hating Putin is all well and fine and I'm not sucking his dick or anything, but if you think he is an idiot you are grossly underestimating him and are delusional.

P.S. you are not immune to propaganda and there is a metric shit ton of it being exhibited in this thread.
Yeah, and Gorbachev thought that the USSR was healthy enough to maintain a largely socialist system... until it all collapsed practically overnight. Even the smartest man makes dumb decisions if he gets bad information. Like say, Putin being told by his subordinates that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Russian military and that they'll be in Kiev by Day 3, cheered on as liberators by the oppressed Slavic peoples of Ukraine. He's an idiot for surrounding himself by yes-men.
 
Shockingly, I find the Happenings thread less propagandized than this one. Certain posters are completely ignoring the West pouring gas on this fire and preventing meaningful dialogue from taking place.
I just don't like that thread since too many people there focused too much on the libs and wokes reaction. Like how contrarian do you want to be you cheered for the shelling and bombing of civilians to own your political enemies?

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Back to the news though, but have the UN Security Council meet yet? Didn't they say they're going to have an emergency meeting because of the nuclear plant thing? I'm interested to know how China is going to cast their vote
 
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I just don't like that thread since too many people there focused too much on the libs and wokes reaction. Like how contrarian do you want to be you cheered for the shelling and bombing of civilians to own your political enemies?

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Back to the news though, but have the UN Security Council meet yet? Didn't they say they're going to have an emergency meeting because of the nuclear plant thing? I'm interested to know how China is going to cast their vote

They met, but there doesn't appear to have been any actual voting, just meetings and briefings and the usual pointless shite. As for how China is gonna vote on shit, I imagine they'll just continue to abstain. The votes are essentially meaningless thanks to Russia's veto, so no point publicly taking a side and antagonising the other.
 

They met, but there doesn't appear to have been any actual voting, just meetings and briefings and the usual pointless shite. As for how China is gonna vote on shit, I imagine they'll just continue to abstain. The votes are essentially meaningless thanks to Russia's veto, so no point publicly taking a side and antagonising the other.
Oh, thanks for the info. I thought there was going to be a vote. I was just wondering whether or not China is still going to continue voting "Abstain" instead of supporting Russia. If they voted "Abstain" that means they're still sitting on the fence instead of committing fully on supporting Russia

Russia to allow humanitarian corridors, defence ministry says
Reuters reports that Russian forces will stop firing this morning to allow residents of Mariupol and Volnovakha to safely flee their homes.

It cites Interfax news agency:

"Russian forces will stop firing at 1000 Moscow time to allow humanitarian corridors out of the Ukrainian cities of Mariupol and Volnovakha, Russia’s defence ministry said, Interfax reported.

The mayor of Mariupol earlier warned the city has been “blockaded” by Russian forces and appealed for a humanitarian corridor to allow citizens to leave. Mayor Vadym Boychenko has previously said the city has no water, heat or electricity and that supplies of food are low. “They want to wipe Mariupol and Mariupol residents off the face of the earth,” the mayor said, describing indiscriminate shelling of residential areas and hospitals.

The port city, home to 400,000 residents, is a strategic target for Russia. If Russia were to control the city, this would help it to build a land corridor between Crimea, which has been occupied by Russia since 2014, and Russian-backed regions of Luhansk and Donetsk.

The town of Volnovakha has also been subject to some of the heaviest Russian attacks. Guardian correspondent Emma Graham-Harrison reported on the dire situation in the town:

"In Volnovakha, the attack is still so intense that dead bodies lie uncollected, says local MP Dmytro Lubinets. Ukrainians still brave enough to run rescue missions are going back only for the living.

Thousands of them are trapped in basements, with dwindling supplies of food and water, sheltering from an apparently senseless attack on a town Lubinets says has no military defenders in its centre. The line of contact is 20km away, he says.

“It never stops, every five minutes there is a mortar landing or artillery shells, some buildings have been hit by multiple rocket systems,” he said by phone.

“In the city there is not any building which has not suffered from direct or collateral damage. So some buildings have major destruction, some minor destruction, some are completely destroyed to the ground.”
As usual, The Guardian liveblog
 
Shockingly, I find the Happenings thread less propagandized than this one. Certain posters are completely ignoring the West pouring gas on this fire and preventing meaningful dialogue from taking place.
What fucking dialogue? Putin's primary condition is for Ukraine to essentially give up sovereignty and become a vassal state, that's it. He's not going to compromise on it.
And Ukrainians, understandably, don't want that.

Consider your post rated "Dumb", you're welcome.
 
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This thread has convinced me that Putin Derangement Syndrome is a very real thing. So many people running around calling this man an idiot who has no idea what he is doing when he was an agent officer for a secret service of a country that was headbutting the most powerful country in the world for years, survived the fallout of that country when they lost the cold war, and installed himself as the autocrat of a country formed from the ashes of the USSR under the guise of democracy.
An individual's cognitive ability can change over time, and the accomplishments you list occurred years or decades ago. We have to judge him on his recent actions, not what he was doing in the 80s and 90s.

And it hasn't been proven that he can survive fallout, though he seems eager to test himself in that respect.
 
This thread has convinced me that Putin Derangement Syndrome is a very real thing. So many people running around calling this man an idiot who has no idea what he is doing when he was an agent for a secret service of a country that was headbutting the most powerful country in the world for years, survived the fallout of that country when they lost the cold war, and installed himself as the autocrat of a country formed from the ashes of the USSR under the guise of democracy. Hating Putin is all well and fine and I'm not sucking his dick or anything, but if you think he is an idiot you are grossly underestimating him and are delusional.

P.S. you are not immune to propaganda and there is a metric shit ton of it being exhibited in this thread.
Not withstanding his past achievements, his decision to invade Ukraine and his beliefs surrounding what would happen were completely retarded. Putin is just a man, just as fallible as anyone else, especially given he has surrounded himself with yes men and murdered his opposition, made it illegal to question the war - how can he have a seperate point of view challenge his own?

Much less Putin derangement syndrome, there are people who see him as this almost infallible chess master with another trick up his sleeve. When perhaps he's a ruthless tyrant who has become more unhinged over the years as he became increasingly isolated. Either way, invading Ukraine will be his undoing.

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Notable: Point 1 suggests potential in Ukrainian success in attacking artillery, but more likely artillery is running out of munitions.

It was suggested by one of the Bellingcat investigators that Russian supplies for the war are running low. They did expect a quick victory so this isn't that surprising.
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Further to evidence this, the convoy attempting to encircle Kyiv in the North has seemingly either been attacked head on and destroyed at least up to this bridge, or part of it has been isolated from resupply. This is a very large portion of said convoy and a huge amount of men and materiel.
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Russia is still pressing forward in the South, but to take Odessa they are going to need to take another city, hold their supply lines and then take Odessa. Given it's taken them a week to take Kherson which was far smaller than Odessa it's quite a tall ask. Their greater success in the South is a combination of better ground as it is dry, shorter supply lines to Crimea and probably less resistance than other areas of the country. Smaller population, more russian support.

Regardless of success in the South, this has and will continue to be a complete disaster for the Russians unless they can change their momentum in the North or East, but I doubt that is going to be possible in the short term. Much more difficult in the long term with Western support and sanctions.

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Another thread on why Russia logistics are fucked in the North and East due to the muddy season they didn't factor in - despite it being a thing in Russia too. Builds on evidence that Russia has fucked the invasion, and why we are only seeing appreciable gains in the dry Southern part of Ukraine. Even then, it took them 7 days to capture a small city - I don't think Odessa will fall at this rate.


I know people are claiming it's unbelievable Russia are being btfo, but this what happens when you give expensive toys to amateurs. They break them.
 

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I agree with this in theory. But NATO also claimed they "weren't deploying troops in Libya or Syria, just air and logistical support" until they were actually caught with boots on the ground.

Russia and China have pulled the same tricks too. That's litterally how the ChiComs seize islands in the South seas. "How coincidental! Our massive fleet that was just out for a stroll happened to build a few bases on these islands in someone else's waters! Whoopsie Doodle!"


When it comes to warfare, best to assume nobody plays by the rules. Wouldn't surprise me if there were already foreign troops of some other region or nation there. We've already got Russians, Ukranians, a few Chechens, just off the top of my head.
The difference here is Russia has nukes while Libya and Syria don't. NATO I really doubt would risk starting WW3, even if Russia attacks a NATO country I doubt NATO would use any nukes until after Russia did first.

Could see them maybe having some intelligence gatherers on the ground or more so they already having some in place in Ukraine before the war who are still on the ground.
 
Does it matter? Ukraine isnt our problem.
Yes, it is problem for West. Including USA.
Wouldn't surprise me if there were already foreign troops of some other region or nation there. We've already got Russians, Ukranians, a few Chechens, just off the top of my head.
Chechens are part of Russian troops, Chechenya is part of Russia an always in modern times was. They are present some belarusian forces and probably some volunteers from other countries.
 
Shockingly, I find the Happenings thread less propagandized than this one. Certain posters are completely ignoring the West pouring gas on this fire and preventing meaningful dialogue from taking place.
I like how strangely different the two threads are; it makes it easy to get very different perspectives.

I'm personally very wary of all the "Ukrainians kickin russky ass" articles out there but they're still worth taking into consideration.
 
Apple has declared that Crimea is once again Ukrainian soil.
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Shockingly, I find the Happenings thread less propagandized than this one. Certain posters are completely ignoring the West pouring gas on this fire and preventing meaningful dialogue from taking place.
Not sure a ton of people are ignoring what the west did so much as treating it as a side story. If the west hadn't courted Ukraine with joining NATO then the country may have been able to continue being this vaguely neutral state, but they didn't and it is in the situation it is. Arguing about what could have been done is a bit stupid when none of the arguing will change the current situation on the ground nor what will occur in the coming days.

The situation got fucked the way it did and nothing will change that, so it's more worthwhile to look at what can be done from this point onwards.
 
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Perhaps it signals ZOG USA's failing legitimacy, but for an average guy like me, it sure isn't.
If you not using anything more than local food and you are living in a shack that yeah, maybye this war isn't have a influence on Your life.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5240989 <---- Russia is so mighty, that they must enforce reglamentation on basic products.

G.Translation of first few words:

The authorities allowed to limit the sale of socially significant goods to one person.

The Ministry of Industry and Trade and the Ministry of Agriculture supported the initiative of retailers to limit the sale of certain goods to one person. The authorities explained this by the fact that due to the establishment of a minimum margin on socially significant products, there were cases of buying goods in large volumes for further resale.
 
If you not using anything more than local food and you are living in a shack that yeah, maybye this war isn't have a influence on Your life.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5240989 <---- Russia is so mighty, that they must enforce reglamentation on basic products.

G.Translation of first few words:

The authorities allowed to limit the sale of socially significant goods to one person.

The Ministry of Industry and Trade and the Ministry of Agriculture supported the initiative of retailers to limit the sale of certain goods to one person. The authorities explained this by the fact that due to the establishment of a minimum margin on socially significant products, there were cases of buying goods in large volumes for further resale.
So, rationing but with fancy words?
 
If you not using anything more than local food and you are living in a shack that yeah, maybye this war isn't have a influence on Your life.
I think you misunderstand again, so let's re-ask the question: Why should I, as a subject of the USA, want the USA to support Ukraine in this conflict? You say yourself that the war has had an effect on the average person, so what good is it to prolong this state of affairs?

Hey, secret watcher, since you dislike my honest question so much, why don't you answer? Perhaps you can provide one that isn't in broken English?
 
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This whole everyone taking a side is bullshit on a scale I never thought possible. I'm just doing my weekly end of the work week job look, and what do I fucking notice...Indeed.PNG
Mother-fucking indeed has to Ukranianize their logo. No one fucking cares, unless they're posting mercenary positions... ...

Hang on, need to check something. ... No, they're not that cool. Anyway, fucking knock it off!
 
Mariupol evacuation postponed

Reuters has this update on the partial ceasefire in Mariupol:

Authorities in the Ukrainian city of Mariupol said an evacuation of civilians planned for Saturday had been postponed as Russian forces encircling the city were not respecting an agreed ceasefire.

In a statement, the city council asked residents to return to shelters in the city and wait for further information on evacuation.

Mariupol’s deputy mayor told BBC News about the difficulties faced by the city’s civilians who were attempting to evacuate.
 
So, rationing but with fancy words?
Yes. This is going so fast than even I'm suprised.

Why should I, as a subject of the USA, want the USA to support Ukraine in this conflict?
You didn't see the conection between "Russia is goin stronger and takes control over one of the most important producers of wheat" and world prices of food?

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https://pikabu.ru/story/polskaya_ko..._sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=pl&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp <--- small but funny: polish producer ofe some part of heathing systems disabled their products in russia (at least the on-line part of service). So some Russians will have cold nights.
 
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