Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

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How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

  • Total voters
    694
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What happened was Donald Trump won the election, so the planned US invasion didn't happen.

US wasn't going to invade Syria. Obama actually backed down from even striking it.

Trump, trying to prove his loyalty to Israel once again as if billions of dollars were not enough and proving once again who owned him, ended up hitting Syria Twice and under trump 1/4 of the country was Stolen from Damascus control.
 
Found this. Would discount the troop losses at least 50%, discount material losses a good 30%. still heavy losses. Will take some time, if ever, to get a good count of losses on both sides. Wonder how many dead Russian men are returning home in a sealed coffin, if at all. Putin has to keep this in mind.


 
Found this. Would discount the troop losses at least 50%, discount material losses a good 30%. still heavy losses. Will take some time, if ever, to get a good count of losses on both sides. Wonder how many dead Russian men are returning home in a sealed coffin, if at all. Putin has to keep this in mind.



If the map above is correct, which it seems about right, then this is gonna break one way in the next few days: Ukraine is about to collapse and once there donbass forces get encircled the end will be insight shortly after that, because thats probably 75,000 DNR and Russian troops that then strike west somewhere else

If the costs of taking an area the size of Ukraine is only 15k , that aint bad.
 
Has Kiev fallen yet, or has Zelensky gone full bitch mode and gotten on his knees already?

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Zelensky before a press conference was supposed to start.

Obviously a fake
 
First, you're assuming those people won't grow out of it. Second, you're assuming any of these pundits who want to run for it, will in fact do so; ignoring the fact they have no convictions and would only say that to scam money out of people and say "maybe next time :)"
Vaush won't run for office for the same reason Rush Limbaugh and Oprah didn't. He has a platform that's set up entirely to glorify him as a genius to his followers. He doesn't face opposition and anyone who heckles him gets mobbed by his fans. If he enters politics, he'll have to defend his ideas and stand up to scrutiny - his remarks about how "the age of consent can be lower after a socialist revolution" alone will be enough to shred him if he tries to run for anything. He'd much rather stay inside his bubble fleecing his fanbase. Most of the other online "thought leaders" are the same way.
 
Vaush won't run for office for the same reason Rush Limbaugh and Oprah didn't. He has a platform that's set up entirely to glorify him as a genius to his followers. He doesn't face opposition and anyone who heckles him gets mobbed by his fans. If he enters politics, he'll have to defend his ideas and stand up to scrutiny - his remarks about how "the age of consent can be lower after a socialist revolution" alone will be enough to shred him if he tries to run for anything. He'd much rather stay inside his bubble fleecing his fanbase. Most of the other online "thought leaders" are the same way.
Yeah I think Carl "UKIP, more like USKIP voting for us ever again lmao" Benjamin was a wakeup call for smug internet politispergs to stay in their lane of making ten minute bias confirmation videos for smelly 20 something weirdos and keep out of the big boy leagues.
 
Vaush won't run for office for the same reason Rush Limbaugh and Oprah didn't. He has a platform that's set up entirely to glorify him as a genius to his followers. He doesn't face opposition and anyone who heckles him gets mobbed by his fans. If he enters politics, he'll have to defend his ideas and stand up to scrutiny - his remarks about how "the age of consent can be lower after a socialist revolution" alone will be enough to shred him if he tries to run for anything. He'd much rather stay inside his bubble fleecing his fanbase. Most of the other online "thought leaders" are the same way.
if Vaush had the cash and influence, be might as well make it
b*den has videos molesting kids and claiming to steal the election. didn't stop emperor's new clothes blinding shine
 
No, but you seem to think Russia has a justification to invade the way it did. It does not.

They signed the declaration of war at 2am and in the morning they were already firing shells at civilians.

I think you're romanticizing this war. This isn't about Russians fighting for their sovereignty or the self-victimization narrative the Russian media machine is pushing, the Russians try take Ukraine and see how the west reacts.

They have tucked their tail between their legs, like they probably predicted, at the threat of nuclear war, but I think the Russians did not foresee the impact of the economic sanctions and the backlash from the war...

Nope. I don't think Russia can win this. If Russia (and China) isolate against the globohomo, they will become shitholes and people will struggle to escape and romanticize the West.

In the mean time, the west will point at these shitholes and say "Look! Look what society without civilized ID chips and clot shots is like!" or whatever.

But the end game of Russia is not to get Globohomo to fuck off, it's to test the West and see how much they can push before they get pushed back.
China and Russia won’t be isolated. Africa and Asia are reliant on China and Chinese investment, a lot of them are staying relatively neutral in this conflict. The Middle East needs Russian grain, a lot of places want Russian weapons and oil. Russia isn’t North Korea, it has a large and valuable pile of resources and countries want to trade with them. I imagine that as war furor cools in the west, countries outside of NATO will begin normalizing relations and trade with Russia again.

It isn’t “romanticized” to make the sober assessment that Russia feels threatened by the idea of Ukraine becoming a full on western proxy like the Baltics have. It’s a paranoid move by Russia, but it’s rooted in the geopolitical threats it faces. The west has been pushing extreme anti-Russian sentiment for a decade now, the western foreign policy establishment is incredibly hostile to Russia and constantly works to undermine it, and Russia has basically been in a state of civilizational struggle with Europe for a very long time. Russia has been invaded by European powers multiple times in modern history, US politicians call for Russian leaders to be assassinated. This really is viewed as an existential struggle by a large segment of the Russian elite and population.
 
I think it's more pathetic than that. Russia likely has the same issue as many military forces in Europe, especially Germany: They have this many tanks and planes and whatnot on paper, but due to budgetary restrictions most of those are just half-cannibalized collections of spare parts and only a fraction of them works.
I think most of what he could commit, Putin already committed. The only thing he could get more of is warm bodies, but I doubt he could even equip them.

Meanwhile, the only reason Ukraine is able to hold out against this embarrassment of a military is it's incomprehensibly successful propaganda campaign. They begged for and received money on all channels. They get supplied with weapon systems by most Western countries. They actually called on citizens of other nations to break their own laws by attacking Russian infrastructure from their own computers by any means necessary. Next week people will probably start spray painting white Z s on the doors of "known Russians" abroad.

People are still as retarded and reactionary as they were in WW2. Buy war bonds, folks. Only this time they aren't for your own countrymen and you can't even get your money back after the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izquEYtqXZo
Russia wish it had this intense ultra-nationalist music
 
Children
Assault rifle lmao
using children to prosecute your war/rebellion/insurgency is a war crime
Not sure if this vid is already posted:
"The entry of the counter-intelligence service of Ukraine into the office and the arrest of a person suspected of being a Russian agent."

"arrest"

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More war crimes. But not a peep from the human rights orgs, proving they're just a cudgel to hammer home the current liberal/Democratic administration's talking points

The curtain on the decrepit and failing US government and ancillary institutions our grandfathers/fathers worked so hard to build/maintain, is slowly being drawn back, exposing the clumsy and inept attempt to restart the Cold War; only this time it will be an enactment of the fall of the USSR, US edition. Our leaders are old and ill, our allies/satellites moving away and ignoring demands to cut off Russia, it has proscribed thousands of Americans to the US equivalent of refuseniks for political wrongthink and soon it will collapse in spectacular fashion.

This is the end of history, not the Thomas Friedman popular book version.
 
Children
Assault rifle lmao
using children to prosecute your war/rebellion/insurgency is a war crime
Don't forget that these are reporters we're talking about, they didn't suddenly get better at classifying weapons. The only difference between a sporting rifle and an assault rifle is full-auto capability, and the photos (or at least the mirrors) make it hard to tell if they have the fun switch or not.

They're also not AK-47s, but expecting a news faggot to know his AK variants is even more of a pipe dream.
 
I love how these faggots expect the rest of the world to completely fuck up their economies and have us pay $10 a galloon in gas and 4 bucks for a loaf of bread just so their corrupt oligarch-ran government can continue to exist.
Wait till you hear about how much America pays into NATO and other such money sinks so the EU nations can afford Pseudo-Socialism instead of defending themselves.
 
Lead up question:
How come the United States isn't pushing back hard against global homo like how hard Russia and China are kicking back?

This is a country where you had a sheriff tell a public assembly he wasn't going to enforce a gun-ban because he was afraid he was going to get killed should he do so. And because he had a kid coming, he was moving out-of-state. Just as how you had an entire U.S. army battalion or regiment being pushed back, they literally we're walking back, by angry hill-billies because they didn't want the government to take land unlawfully without a single shot fired. Hill-billies who pushed back the world's greatest military in the modern era. Again without a shot fired.
There are two answers to this question.

1. US politics varies a lot from region to region and some regions don't feel the sting of globohomo much at all. If you live in a small town in a red state and you don't depend on Reddit for your social life, you can be blissfully ignorant of most of the cultural engineering going on. Turn on your DirectTV and you can watch cable networks playing Lonesome Dove, 1950s cowboy movies and rodeos. It's the same reason that the trucker protests happened in Canada and not the US. In Canada, there was nowhere to run from the repressive Covid policies, while in the rural US nobody cared about Covid after about June 2020. Of course, the globalist plan is to eventually force people in places like those to conform, but not for a while yet, and in the meantime their libertarian "just leave me alone" ideology makes them blind to the advancing enemy force. They'll be happy being left alone until the enemy is on their doorstep and it's impossible for them to organize against it.

2. The US has pushed against globohomo, Trump's election was one of the biggest blows it's received. The country has become increasingly divided between the people who want to live under the inspired guidance of Ivy League consultants the the people who don't. The former group can't completely disenfranchise the latter yet, but they take advantage of their myopic libertarian thinking. Anti-globalists have no voice in national-level politics and can't do anything to change the country's course, but they're not being directly harmed yet so most of them think everything's fine like the cartoon dog in the burning house. The next Trump campaign will be the moment of truth for people like this - if he wins, they'll be satisfied that they can work within the system to change it. If he loses, it means their political voice is gone for good, and they'll be forced to either leave their comfort zone or sit by as that comfort zone is whittled away piece by piece.

Have I mentioned that rugged individualism is suicidal idiocy?
 
It's been interesting seeing the trajectory the thread over at arrse has taken and I've tried to keep up with it best I can. I see that a few others here are as well and when stuff gets posted there, people post it here, usually unattributed with no sources. I've been following that thread a lot more recently than this one because of all the pointless autistic slap-fights, and also because there are actually quite a few military and people who have served giving their thoughts. Anyway. Just a couple of things.


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As for Western intervention happening, they are trying to find ways around the whole NATO thing. They really are gung-ho and want to get stuck in. They see Vlad as the anti-christ and Russia a country that needs to be crushed until the lamenting of their women can be heard.

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More and more the tone is picking up over there that some kind of intervention has to happen, it's just how to figure out how to do it without vlad getting too mad. Well, madder than he already he is. Arrse has kind of got pozzed the last few years, more and more so. I guess the informational warfare division of the British Army holds a lot of sway there now that that is now a thing. It's getting more like reddit every day, even though most of them are right wing, and some of the stuff that is allowed to posted is quite shocking and quite incriminating to anyone who subscribes to cancel culture. It's a brave person that makes an OG effort post on that one though. I'll leave it to someone else. Back to the war...

It's a game of chicken by this point, not even chess or checkers or poker any more. Putin knows the west is seriously pissed off with him and it won't take much for them to get stuck in if he starts indiscriminately going all grozny on their arses. He's playing the long game and he knows optics are important. He will try to kill as many civilians as he possibly can without getting caught. So far he's doing a pretty good job. But the spirits of the Ukies are quite high considering the pounding they have taken, and are about to take. The west know that they had better not get involved, no matter what, because vlad might actually be really mad after all. At this point I think he is just cultivating that persona. See the photos of him with all the Aeroflot Stewardesses today. WTF was that about?

Also, and I've not seen this mentioned here (and I have also been following this thread [inbetween gettting blind drunk]), the Russians have now started to get all 'rapey'. This is accepted as a given over at arrse even though I have not seen a credible source for this, more than a blurry screenshot. Who knows, it might be true. Anyway, a few of them over there think it is, and are wishing death on Russian civilisation.

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There have been some quite nasty videos of the Ruskies being humiliated. All uploaded and archived on twitter for prosperity. But never mind that, Ivan the Terrible has been raping his way across the flatlands and badlands of Ukraine.

I like the arrse boys. They're my people. But I think a few of them are getting a bit carried away. Unlike this fine forum, it's not possible to put up a counter argument. It puts itself across as a very serious source based website, but in reality, if you don't 'go with the flow' you will get major flak. It's still a good source though and for the last couple of days I've been following it more than this site because of all you fucking spastics throwing creampies in each other's faces. Still love you all too.

It's good to take a walk on the wild side sometimes, eh babe!
 
US wasn't going to invade Syria. Obama actually backed down from even striking it.

Obama was a yuge disappointment after initially posing as a peace candidate back in the bad old Dubya days of Global War On Everything. However, he definitely wasn't enthusiastic about foreign military adventures and probably acted as a speedbump against the more bloodthirsty elements of the DC regime, despite signing off on the catastrophic destruction of Libya.

Hillary seems like she's wholly owned by the neocons and would most likely have started a war against Russia, over Syria or whatever the excuse of the day was gonna be. The RUSSIAN COLLUSION meme was being spread wide even before the 2016 election as the lube to prep the American people for more war.

BLUMF was completely isolated in the Oval Office before he was even inaugurated and spent 4 years besieged by the entire rest of the federal government + donors + MSM, so I give him a pass for bombing a couple of Syrian airstrips after the "gas killing animal" / obvious CIA gayops.

His foreign war policy ended up being pretty much a continuation of Obama overall tho, whether thru Boomer credulity about the lies the generals were telling him, inability to actually get his orders followed in a town that was engaged in a criminal conspiracy to get rid of him, or both of the above. But at least he didn't start any new wars, and it's pretty incredible when you realize that's an achievement for an American president.
 
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