Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[MeltyTW]

The US military is currently in its most demoralized state not seen since the first two years of the Civil War.

And these lot are fucking up harder lol.

The question for the Russians are that are they learning from these fuckups.

Or this whole thing is another psyop.

dude i was jerking off ukraine real hard but i cant believe this farce is real, this has to be them like dragging off the actual reasonable number of people who died in reasonable circumstances and posing them for photos like this for propaganda, im not even accusing them or angry at them i just dont believe this happened because its a lot to accept.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

I think the difference is the US has been regularly carrying out these airborne operations for 20 years (and longer, but not as frequently as it has since 9/11). Not to this scale though, and with proper air support, and not against an opponent as well armed with fancy toys as Ukraine

But still, what we are seeing is that Russia doesn't have the money for all the toys that the US does. I hate to go "if this were the US" but if it were the airborne troops would have a shitload of air support and better equipment themselves than the VDV does. If the air support couldn't be guaranteed the drops probably wouldn't happen. US doctrine is so dependent on overwhelming firepower from the air backing its soldiers up on the ground in basically any and every operation, that's why the US has thousands of attack planes and helicopters of all those various types. Russia can't match those numbers of aircraft

Hell even then, the US still lost people and helicopters doing them. Sometimes even an illiterate goat fucker gets lucky.

 

[Narcotics]

>Zelensky's Request
Great, now I want this kike dead more than ever in my life. Preferrably along with Mastercard and Visa, payment processors are truly the enemy of the people.
At least I bought some crypto before the shit went down though.

i'm unironically waiting on seeing who out of all of nato will be the first to bend and either send actual troops or no fly zone.

 

[mr.moon1488]

I'm actually wondering the the US and other countries might seriously look at Air assault/Airborne forces the way we looked at Battleships post WW2 after this clownshow. I'm really looking forward to see if the expected Russian Naval infantry can do something or if they are gonna end up dying in droves too.

Airborne could still be useful but the problem is that countries spend billions of dollars trying to develop stealth fighters and don't even stop to think for a moment that stealth planes for jumps are needed. The whole idea of airborne is centered around the element of surprise. If a country has radar it completely takes away this element.

 

[Oxous]

I've seen a lot of destroyed Russian convoys in the past week but this is the first one that's given me real Winter War vibes. Rosgvardia column with OMON riot gear in Kharkiv, looks like a (comparatively) big one too.

 

[Reddit Gold]

I've heard the amount of hazing new conscripts face (is that the right word? Forced military service). Upto and apparently worryingly often including actual sexual assault. I wouldn't be surprised either if Sasha, who never wanted to be in the army in the first place, had enough of being raped in the barracks one day and shot everyone else at the range.

From anecdotal evidence yes, it can be part and parcel of the дедовщина culture.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

So there is precedent for the rUsSiAn sABoTeUrS in USSR tactics?
From what the official Ukraine statements have been so far, I thought these were 100% propaganda.

Quite a bit. They used the tactic extensively in ww2. Putins father was on a particularly nasty group of them called demolition squads.

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

>Zelensky's Request
Great, now I want this kike dead more than ever in my life. Preferrably along with Mastercard and Visa, payment processors are truly the enemy of the people.
At least I bought some crypto before the shit went down though.

Thank G*d for crypto and precious metals. Cashless is the work of the devil.

 

[Breadbassket]

Belarus was planned to enter Ukraine last week apparently, but something went wrong.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

I'm actually wondering the the US and other countries might seriously look at Air assault/Airborne forces the way we looked at Battleships post WW2 after this clownshow. I'm really looking forward to see if the expected Russian Naval infantry can do something or if they are gonna end up dying in droves too.

They have thought about it like that since Vietnam. It's why they spent billions on the Osprey even though it didn't work. The last time the 82nd combat jumped was in Operation Just Cause. Last time the 101st dropped was 2003 in northern Iraq, which was lightly defended thanks to a large Kurdish population, 12 years of sanctions, and SEAD strikes.

Russian Naval Infantry will get massacred if they try to land on a hostile coast. Their best move is to let the army take Odessa from behind and land there as reinforcements.

This has basically been a Zerg Rush. But the Russian military is set up for zerging. If America was suffering these kinds of losses, it'd be a unfathomable disaster. But Russian doctrine allows for more losses, so tactically they are not performing optimally, but not losing either.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Stingers are old as shit. I am an army guy ive seen one of these in real life, they dont let you fuck with it unless that is your speciality but in training if you found one laying on the ground and needed to use it they explain how. But there was a certain cieling on how high that missile could go and it was only like 30k feet or so from memory (this may be classified idk )

Airplanes shouldn't have any issues at all and the fact they are getting shot down makes me think that Russian Bombers are low because they do not all have targeting pods but are using the old popsicle stick on a string sight manual sight that came from the Original Soviet Factory.

Very strange, countermeasures against MANPADS/Stingers have been around for a while now.

 

[Fcret]

The VDV is getting slaughtered because the Russians have not attained total air superiority yet and they're also not bombing the shit out of the places they're dropping these guys into beforehand. In WW2, allied bomber squadrons might unload on a stretch of land for days leading up to a drop.

I imagine it has something to do with the fact that the VDV is its own branch and trying to justify its existence as such by participating in the war even though it's not really a war they should be in yet.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

Has the VDV actually achieved something in this war? All I heard were just failures upon failures

It's up in the air if they held the airfield through the evening of day 1. The Russians claim they did, the Ukrainians say they were driven out out and it was the ground forces that took it the next day. I'd guess they got pushed off the tarmac but didn't get routed, stayed coherent enough to link up, and joined in the counter-counterattack.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

This has basically been a Zerg Rush. But the Russian military is set up for zerging. If America was suffering these kinds of losses, it'd be a unfathomable disaster. But Russian doctrine allows for more losses, so tactically they are not performing optimally, but not losing either.

We dont know the full scale of losses. The video's we have seen account for way less than 1% of what Russia has.

I am skeptical on alot of claim given the blantant propaganda we have seen out of Kiev. These literally could be Ukrainian vehicles with Symbols painted on the side. Yes that could be cope, but we have already seen Ukraine get busted on some lavish propaganda already so it really wouldn't be a stretch to claim this. Propaganda is part of war. To keep people fighting and their spirit up nations will go to great lengths.

See some of Goebbels shit towards the end of the war...so ridiculous but its not far off what we are seeing out of Ukraine. Stories about 4 year olds with panzerfaust's eliminating entire Soviet tank divisions.'

Anyway I just feel we should be skeptical givin what the map actually looks like

 

[Mussi]

The VDV is getting slaughtered because the Russians have not attained total air superiority yet and they're also not bombing the shit out of the places they're dropping these guys into beforehand. In WW2, allied bomber squadrons might unload on a stretch of land for days leading up to a drop.

I imagine it has something to do with the fact that the VDV is its own branch and trying to justify its existence as such by participating in the war even though it's not really a war they should be in yet.

It's probably this. The VDV is also pretty big, around ~50.000 men strong iirc, so they probably see a couple dozen wasted men as acceptable.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Very strange, countermeasures against MANPADS/Stingers have been around for a while now.

Eh it's not like the stingers we use today are the same as they were in the 80s. We've been constantly making updates the whole time. Who knows if they've kept pace in the countermeasures department.

 

[Toothpaste]

Ukrainian forces hitting a Russian tank with ATGMs.
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It's weird seeing these videos without the guys breaking out in the good ol' Takbir when the missile hits.

 

[Duke Nukem]

>Zelensky's Request
Great, now I want this kike dead more than ever in my life. Preferrably along with Mastercard and Visa, payment processors are truly the enemy of the people.
At least I bought some crypto before the shit went down though.

It's really amazing how so many people are ignorant of how Zelensky was until the invasion actually happened. From corrupt diet Putin to brave hero standing up for his people.

Imagine if they could do this to legal industries in the West, just because they don't like said industry.

 

[Octavia]

It's weird seeing these videos without the guys breaking out in the good ol' Takbir when the missile hits.

Was literally thinking the same thing, lmao.
Guess I'm just young enough where every sort of military action in my life (aside from this) has been vs goatfuckers

 

[mr.moon1488]

They have thought about it like that since Vietnam. It's why they spent billions on the Osprey even though it didn't work. The last time the 82nd combat jumped was in Operation Just Cause. Last time the 101st dropped was 2003 in northern Iraq, which was lightly defended thanks to a large Kurdish population, 12 years of sanctions, and SEAD strikes.

Russian Naval Infantry will get massacred if they try to land on a hostile coast. Their best move is to let the army take Odessa from behind and land there as reinforcements.

This has basically been a Zerg Rush. But the Russian military is set up for zerging. If America was suffering these kinds of losses, it'd be a unfathomable disaster. But Russian doctrine allows for more losses, so tactically they are not performing optimally, but not losing either.

82nd did the jump in Iraq. 101st hasn't actually been airborne for a very long time (1974), they just keep the name airborne cuz tradition and shit.

Edit:
Best I recall the 173rd also did a jump during the war, but like the 82nd jump, it was just so people could get the mustard stain on their wings.