Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[The Wicked Mitch]

Imagine losing both leths, a finger and your dick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beating_of_Andrey_Sychyov

Impressive - I would definitely have tried for a murder-suicide if that shit happened to me.

 

[Reddit Gold]

Impressive - I would definitely have tried for a murder-suicide if that shit happened to me.

I would have succeeded.

 

[JosephStalin]

The US military is currently in its most demoralized state not seen since the first two years of the Civil War.

And these lot are fucking up harder lol.

The question for the Russians are that are they learning from these fuckups.

Or this whole thing is another psyop.

Suggest that if this shit keeps up the "woke" garbage will be put to the side in preparation for trouble in Europe. People in these "woke"-related jobs will be put back in their primary specialties or do something else actually useful. A potential major-league shooting conflict tends to concentrate the military minds wonderfully.

 

[Myles the Potatophile]

Rare Adolph:

Spoiler: Best Addy

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I blame the History Channel for this.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Yeah, I got the same impression that they are desperately trying to force the square peg of their primary mission into the round hole of this operation.

Airborne ops to take airfields and airborne recon ops (as this appears to have been) are ninja when they are properly integrated (you'd better be landing a battalion of heavier armored troops via transport as soon as your paratroopers secure that airport or the outcome is going to be fairly predictable) but this strikes me as a refusal to play ball as light infantry supporting the main armored efforts and waiting for the right moment to do airborne stuff.

We still use Airborne as recently as Afghanistan and Iraq.

Here's the thing, I don't know about nowadays, but back in the day every dirt dart knew one fact: They were going to die.

Air assault, you knew you were going to die.

Air Assault got heavy use in Afghanistan at least.

But Airborne ops (Desert Storm and Panama are what I'm more versed on) are best done at night with HALO drops.

BUT, they have to be coordinated, you have to know what the fuck is going on in the theater, and the whole goal of those guys is to establish a zone to pump more troops into. The troops should be carrying double or triple basic loads and enough food/water to go for up to 72 hours, as well as have maps to do a bust out withdrawal.

If they're doing insertion for proper reason than for every one of them we see ambushed, there should be five that buried their chutes and escaped into the woods.

Still, I'm waiting for the fucking Ukrainians to post video of them shooting airborne troops while they're in the air, because you know they're going to.

 

[Octavia]

Imagine losing both legs, a finger and your dick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beating_of_Andrey_Sychyov

jesus fucking christ

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Stinger's dont work like that.

They use a computer which has a picture stored in the missile. The warhead follows the object there are a camera on the tip of it because it takes a pictures like every millisecond and adjusts accordingly. So the missile adjusts as the object adjusts and counter measures are pretty worthless. Its fire and forget on your end but the missile does most of the work itself because the camera keeps taking pictures of the object and moving the missile towards it till the very end

The thing about infrared and heat isn't true except the first generation of the missiles but its been awhile.

DIRCM is an active protection system, some are manual, others are auto. I have no idea what the Russian system is, what they have/use, or if they're operational all, just that we are way past the days of flares.

We have drones that can fly out of the range of MANPADS, its one reason we used them in Afghanistan. But some of those goatherders were pretty wily. or had help, because we did lose some.

 

[Toasted Midnights in June]

Putin was seen today meeting with Aeroflot flight stewardesses ahead of international women's day (it's on 8.3.2022, so remember to congratulate your wife/girlfriend or, more likely for this site, 2D waifu).

People were surprised to see Putin interacting so close with people without any protective equipment. Throughout the whole Covid debacle, he's made a point of staying as far away from other people as possible (thus the comically long tables). Aside from a few jabs at the West, the meeting itself was completely uninteresting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BF3jibpT1k)

However, it was quickly noticed that something was a bit off:

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The theory is that Putin was not actually present at all, but was rather digitally added to the video to make it seem like he is comfortable interacting with people normally and to counter rumours about his paranoia towards Covid. I'll leave it to you guys to decide.

 

[MG-34]

 

[JosephStalin]

The U.S. army is what the British would dream to have if they didn't have such a small population.

Britain always relied on a small professional army but they can also absorb many devastating punches, for example like in WW1 but without France they would have been outlasted by the German army.

The U.S. on the other hand has the manpower, technology and experience to pretty much outlast everyone in the planet.

I concede to you, people, the judgement of how the U.S. would tolerate huge losses but they would be invincible if they had a high tolerance for casualties.

Don't believe most of the major powers have a high tolerance for casualties, period. Russia sure doesn't. Am sure they have lost several thousand troops, but Russia says it's lost far fewer. Russian news apparently heavily controlled these days. Leadership in these countries remain acutely sensitive to popular opinion/sentiment, and these days loved ones are increasingly likely to protest, especially if they believe their loved one died for nothing.

 

[Übertroon]

I've seen a lot of destroyed Russian convoys in the past week but this is the first one that's given me real Winter War vibes. Rosgvardia column with OMON riot gear in Kharkiv, looks like a (comparatively) big one too.
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This kinda reveals how fucked the initial Russian plan is. I posted an image of a dead Russian in police riot gear, and people were justifiably confused as to why there are Russians running around on the front in police uniforms. Likely the plan was for OMON personnel to follow with the troops supposed to enforce the occupation, but with the first wave repulsed the occupation wave became part of the front, and lack of information to whoever is running logistics means you now have trucks filled with police gear and police officers on the frontline.

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

I accidentally posted this in the Coofvid thread so I'll be deleting that there and reposting it here

 

[JosephStalin]

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Based to the max. The Ukrainians' spirit is incredible.

 

[Saleh]

The US hasn't really fought any country on somewhat equal footing since WW2, and in that, the US had major numerical advantages where they actually counted.

Everyone is trying to catch up to the U.S. in terms of tech and stuff but they have enormous holes in their militaries.

You could say that the U.S. would capitulate if 5.000 marines died in 1 day but no one has found out if that would play out in reality but this is an imagined hole in our collective theories of what the U.S. would fare in a battle for world hegemony.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Don't believe most of the major powers have a high tolerance for casualties, period. Russia sure doesn't. Am sure they have lost several thousand troops, but Russia says it's lost far fewer. Russian news apparently heavily controlled these days. Leadership in these countries remain acutely sensitive to popular opinion/sentiment, and these days loved ones are increasingly likely to protest, especially if they believe their loved one died for nothing.

Remember back in the day when it was a point of pride that your unit had a 90% expected casualty rate and a T-24+ life expectancy?

"Fuck it, we're gonna be wiped out, but the goal is to stack as many bodies as possible!"

The other thing is, knowing that some guy in the Pentagon had to go down and dig out the old Cold War Phase-II and Phase-III plans and try to figure out how to apply them nowadays.

Jokes on him, we were all drunk as fuck when we came up with those.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

We still use Airborne as recently as Afghanistan and Iraq.

Here's the thing, I don't know about nowadays, but back in the day every dirt dart knew one fact: They were going to die.

Air assault, you knew you were going to die.

Air Assault got heavy use in Afghanistan at least.

But Airborne ops (Desert Storm and Panama are what I'm more versed on) are best done at night with HALO drops.

BUT, they have to be coordinated, you have to know what the fuck is going on in the theater, and the whole goal of those guys is to establish a zone to pump more troops into. The troops should be carrying double or triple basic loads and enough food/water to go for up to 72 hours, as well as have maps to do a bust out withdrawal.

If they're doing insertion for proper reason than for every one of them we see ambushed, there should be five that buried their chutes and escaped into the woods.

Still, I'm waiting for the fucking Ukrainians to post video of them shooting airborne troops while they're in the air, because you know they're going to.

The fatalistic bravado is still there, but there's also an obligation to use your paratroopers smartly, so that even if they do all get themselves killed, they'll do it accomplishing something.

 

[Happy Fish]

Is this a good summary or copy pasta of Ukrainian neoliberal propaganda sold to westerners so far?

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Any confirmation that the tank that ran over the car is Ukranian? That is the one that has someone I know calling Russia evil and it would be hilarious to me if this is true. (The part where I could wave this in their face not the part where a tank ran someone over, obviously.)

 

[Übertroon]

Found a compilation of the VDV pictures I just posted, so there's a few new ones in here without fucking up the servers by posting a dozen pictures at once.

Spoiler

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[The Wicked Mitch]

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I accidentally posted this in the Coofvid thread so I'll be deleting that there and reposting it here

You should definitely post it in the /r/VolunteersforUkraine thread

 

[Matt Damon]

Any confirmation that the tank that ran over the car is Ukranian? That is the one that has someone I know calling Russia evil and it would be hilarious to me if this is true.

Well, that was Kiev, right?

So unless the Russians air dropped a manned vehicle into Kiev on the first day, it had to be Ukrainian.