Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[I B DR CHANdra]

Being used as experiments with the intention of imitating NATO strategy and tactics.

The Russians are slowly coming to the realization that they don't have the necessary tech or experience to do this so they're now starting to use their old and battle tested soviet tactics and strategy.

I have a theory that Russian military failures can be directly tied to their modernisation policies. Clearly the introduction of socks instead of foot wraps in 2013 is affecting the moral of their soldiers.

 

[Oxous]

Okay, I laughed.

Original source is this Financial Times article.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Belarus was planned to enter Ukraine last week apparently, but something went wrong.
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Their ludicrous dictator is not loved, if one looks back. Perhaps Putin realised this and gave them a role interdicting Western arms for the Ukies.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

The Russians have used a small fraction of the missiles and explosives that the US used to support their airborne operations in Iraq, apparently because they simply don't have enough ordinance to spare.

A theory I've heard is that the reason they're trying to do this on the cheap, with relatively small manpower and few of their best men or toys (Russian airforce is nowhere close to US Air Force but it isn't total crap either) is they're holding a lot back to give them a non-nuclear option in case they get into a war with Nato.

Probably bullshit, but it does make some kind of sense (they probably also underestimated Ukraine, tho if so that's a huge intelligence failure on their part, they should know everything about a neighboring country including Zelensky's favorite brand of toothpaste).

 

[Mr Bunny]

i'm unironically waiting on seeing who out of all of nato will be the first to bend and either send actual troops or no fly zone.

Poland or UK

 

[MG-34]

It's up in the air if they held the airfield through the evening of day 1. The Russians claim they did, the Ukrainians say they were driven out out and it was the ground forces that took it the next day. I'd guess they got pushed off the tarmac but didn't get routed, stayed coherent enough to link up, and joined in the counter-counterattack.

I think the Ukrainians weren't bullshiting on routing those guys when they said they did. I recall those were the first images of Ukranians rocking trophy AK-12s which have only been seen on VDV forces. It's also the same timeframe where some Ukranian showed off his trophy VAL that entered meme status.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Very strange, countermeasures against MANPADS/Stingers have been around for a while now.

Stinger's dont work like that.

They use a computer which has a picture stored in the missile. The warhead follows the object there are a camera on the tip of it because it takes a pictures like every millisecond and adjusts accordingly. So the missile adjusts as the object adjusts and counter measures are pretty worthless. Its fire and forget on your end but the missile does most of the work itself because the camera keeps taking pictures of the object and moving the missile towards it till the very end

The thing about infrared and heat isn't true except the first generation of the missiles but its been awhile.

 

[naffatune]

Dumpity dump time.

Russians capture Energodar city hall (link)

The source of the above video states that Russians captured an "administrative building", but this is, according to another source which posted a video of this place from a different angle, indeed the city hall (link)

In addition to Energodar city hall, a Ukrainian military base near Kherson has been taken as well by Rus troops (link).
Ukrainian vehicles are the ones with digital camo

Russians have also captured a Ukrainian BTR-4 in Kharkov (link)

On the bright side, Ukies in Lvov are preparing to bring an improvised technical to the battlefield, so that should turn the tide... (link)

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Belarus was planned to enter Ukraine last week apparently, but something went wrong.
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Again, taking all this with an Imperial ton of salt.

Eh it's not like the stingers we use today are the same as they were in the 80s. We've been constantly making updates the whole time. Who knows if they've kept pace in the countermeasures department.

Direct infrared counter measures/DIRCM is a thing and can literally shoot down a ground to air missile. No one know what or how much ordnance or weaponry Russia has and/or is deploying. Russia's OPSEC has been surprisingly good and the Ukraine has been floundering about with fakes that keep getting debunked almost as soon as they're put out.

 

[Generic Retard]

I've heard the amount of hazing new conscripts face (is that the right word? Forced military service). Upto and apparently worryingly often including actual sexual assault. I wouldn't be surprised either if Sasha, who never wanted to be in the army in the first place, had enough of being raped in the barracks one day and shot everyone else at the range.

Imagine losing both legs, a finger and your dick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beating_of_Andrey_Sychyov

 

[Toasted Midnights in June]

I see you've conveniently forgot to mention how the Ultra Nationalists are responsible for several atrocities and that they tried to keep WWIII going by kidnapping the Russian president and his daughter, who were no longer in full support of the group.

Also, the main villain in Modern Warfare 2 was General Shepherd, an American who wanted to be a glory hound and was willing to start WORLD WAR III to do so, cause as he said; "I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye. And the world just fuckin' watched."

Yes, this happened as a result of the Ultra Nationalists nuking said 30K men, but still; an American General was the main villain of the second game. There are also several Russians who literally save the lives of important characters and are clearly meant to be allies or repenting former enemies.

 

[MeltyTW]

but not losing either.

they were never ever going to lose, the only lose condition during the invasion stage is if russia just decided it wasnt fucking worth it and theyre going home. logistics might bring us some blunders on the russia side but its the wider scale of the russian army thatll help them win the invasion at least. then we get to see the fun of how russia plans on zerg rushing nail bombs and nato funded partisans

 

[MG-34]

It's weird seeing these videos without the guys breaking out in the good ol' Takbir when the missile hits.

Pavlov's Akbar

 

[ChefKiss]

Jamie continues to prove why Adam made the right call by completely splitting from this faggot

Adam is a far left psycho and a pedo. Like every other thing in those whole thread, it's possible for both sides to be cunts.

 

[Saleh]

The U.S. army is what the British would dream to have if they didn't have such a small population.

Britain always relied on a small professional army but they can also absorb many devastating punches, for example like in WW1 but without France they would have been outlasted by the German army.

The U.S. on the other hand has the manpower, technology and experience to pretty much outlast everyone in the planet.

I concede to you, people, the judgement of how the U.S. would tolerate huge losses but they would be invincible if they had a high tolerance for casualties.

 

[JosephStalin]

Uks will run out of bullets eventually, that strategy has been tried before

Not until NATO runs out of ammo/weapons/food/etc. to supply. Believe the gate is open and the 2022-style Lend Lease is coming in. In NATO's eyes, every Russian soldier killed, every tank/plane/helicopter destroyed is one less to threaten the Baltics/Eastern Europe. Sending NATO supplies/money to Ukraine is better than sending troops. As an aside, wouldn't be surprised to see a low-level, small-scale mobilization going on in certain NATO countries now.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

Dumpity dump time.

Russians capture Energodar city hall (link)

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The source of the above video states that Russians captured an "administrative building", but this is, according to another source which posted a video of this place from a different angle, indeed the city hall (link)

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In addition to Energodar city hall, a Ukrainian military base near Kherson has been taken as well by Rus troops (link).
Ukrainian vehicles are the ones with digital camo

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Russians have also captured a Ukrainian BTR-4 in Kharkov (link)

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On the bright side, Ukies in Lvov are preparing to bring an improvised technical to the battlefield, so that should turn the tide... (link)

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Ah, hell yes, Tachankas are back in town!

 

[GreeneCoDeputy]

The VDV is getting slaughtered because the Russians have not attained total air superiority yet and they're also not bombing the shit out of the places they're dropping these guys into beforehand. In WW2, allied bomber squadrons might unload on a stretch of land for days leading up to a drop.

I imagine it has something to do with the fact that the VDV is its own branch and trying to justify its existence as such by participating in the war even though it's not really a war they should be in yet.

Yeah, I got the same impression that they are desperately trying to force the square peg of their primary mission into the round hole of this operation.

Airborne ops to take airfields and airborne recon ops (as this appears to have been) are ninja when they are properly integrated (you'd better be landing a battalion of heavier armored troops via transport as soon as your paratroopers secure that airport or the outcome is going to be fairly predictable) but this strikes me as a refusal to play ball as light infantry supporting the main armored efforts and waiting for the right moment to do airborne stuff.

 

[K-Hole]

I mean it didn't pass the smell test at all. It's like that whole "We know they're lying, they know we know but they keep lying anyway" thing Solzhenitsyn purportedly said.

Funnily enough...

EDIT: This was the photo they were referring to -

[As for the Aeroflot portapotty dinner today. It seemed to go well!]

Spoiler: He knows you know, but he's got problems...

Little update to the updoots our boy on the ground bigeye has got:

No one EVAH gets dem kinda updoots. No sir.


Rare Adolph:

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What a time to be alive.

Too late to explore the earth.
Too early to explore the universe.

And just not quite in time to get updoots on social media because some other autistic bastard beat you to the punch.

 

[mr.moon1488]

The U.S. army is what the British would dream to have if they didn't have such a small population.

Britain always relied on a small professional army but they can also absorb many devastating punches, for example like in WW1 but without France they would have been outlasted by the German army.

The U.S. on the other hand has the manpower, technology and experience to pretty much outlast everyone in the planet.

I concede to you, people, the judgement of how the U.S. would tolerate huge losses but they would be invincible if they had a high tolerance for casualties.

The US hasn't really fought any country on somewhat equal footing since WW2, and in that, the US had major numerical advantages where they actually counted.