Some off topic political/war arguing

[TheGuntinator]

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I'd like to mention that nuclear war isnt going to start with ICBMs flying over head as people run for cover and pray to god. First detonation is likely to come from a spy leaving a suitcase nuke in a dumpster, then fleeing the city before triggering it. And nobody will ever know which country is responsible, and there will be no way to mount a defense against it.

That's assuming we're still working with the same nukes from almost a century ago, but smaller. Chances are possible the russians have a antimatter bomb or some other theoretical WMD and just leave a crater where a continent used to be. Think that's silly? Nobody could've even imagined nuclear bombs before they were deployed for the first time.

 

[SixPennyWalnut]

I'd like to mention that nuclear war isnt going to start with ICBMs flying over head as people run for cover and pray to god. First detonation is likely to come from a spy leaving a suitcase nuke in a dumpster, then fleeing the city before triggering it. And nobody will ever know which country is responsible, and there will be no way to mount a defense against it.

That's assuming we're still working with the same nukes from almost a century ago, but smaller. Chances are possible the russians have a antimatter bomb or some other theoretical WMD and just leave a crater where a continent used to be. Think that's silly? Nobody could've even imagined nuclear bombs before they were deployed for the first time.

Oh sweet baby child, I will just climb into my fridge, I saw it in a movie. I’m sorry you’re too stupid to understand why this would work.

 

[ShinyStar]

If Putin is totally losing in Ukraine and is about to be forced into accepting whatever surrender terms the rest of the world cooks up for him... ...then doesn't that mean that the world leaders who decided not to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine were correct in not risking lives and equipment on a task they didn't need to undertake in order to win? And therefore wasn't Fat wrong in screeching that the no fly zone was a moral and strategic imperative?

Wrong, and medically obese, of course.

 

[Octavia]

If Putin is totally losing in Ukraine and is about to be forced into accepting whatever surrender terms the rest of the world cooks up for him... ...then doesn't that mean that the world leaders who decided not to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine were correct in not risking lives and equipment on a task they didn't need to undertake in order to win? And therefore wasn't Fat wrong in screeching that the no fly zone was a moral and strategic imperative?

Wrong, and medically obese, of course.

I don't know about that kind of geopolitic forecasting, but what I do know is that Patrick is fat and I would not have sex with him.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

That's assuming we're still working with the same nukes from almost a century ago, but smaller. Chances are possible the russians have a antimatter bomb or some other theoretical WMD and just leave a crater where a continent used to be. Think that's silly? Nobody could've even imagined nuclear bombs before they were deployed for the first time.

Did you get your knowledge of nuclear warfare and physics from Pat or something? Antimatter manufacturing is obscenely difficult, like 1 joule of antimatter per 50,000 joules of energy would be a very efficient conversion rate. At that rate, you would need almost the entire energy consumption of the United States to produce quantities of antimatter (in the range of 0.1-10 grams) that produce a nuclear-sized explosion. And then you need to figure out a way to store and move that around. It's impossible to store that much antimatter with the tech we have now because antimatter is so fragile that you'd need an incredible magnetic field to keep the particles hovering in place, far stronger than current Penning traps (only known way to store antimatter) allow.

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

BTW, suitcase nukes only have a 0.02 kiloton yield, it blows up a city block or two and spreads a bunch of radiation. Shitty, but not city-destroying bad, unless you detonate it next to Pat and it spreads blobs of fat everywhere like that video of the beached whale being exploded.

 

[TheGuntinator]

Did you get your knowledge of nuclear warfare and physics from Pat or something? Antimatter manufacturing is obscenely difficult, like 1 joule of antimatter per 50,000 joules of energy would be a very efficient conversion rate. At that rate, you would need almost the entire energy consumption of the United States to produce quantities of antimatter (in the range of 0.1-10 grams) that produce a nuclear-sized explosion. And then you need to figure out a way to store and move that around. It's impossible to store that much antimatter with the tech we have now because antimatter is so fragile that you'd need an incredible magnetic field to keep the particles hovering in place, far stronger than current Penning traps (only known way to store antimatter) allow.

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

BTW, suitcase nukes only have a 0.02 kiloton yield, it blows up a city block or two and spreads a bunch of radiation. Shitty, but not city-destroying bad, unless you detonate it next to Pat and it spreads blobs of fat everywhere like that video of the beached whale being exploded.

"You cant level entire cities with just one bomb, don't you think that's crazy? We only just invented cars, can you imagine how difficult it would be to even store an atom never mind split it" this isnt fallout bro war actually changes, especially behind closed doors. Im just saying we might see an entirely new class of destruction from weapons developed in the past 80 fucking years (nearly a century).

One of two things will be realized in Ww3 either 1)we'll realize that we've made nukes as strong as they'll ever be and thats the primo top tier destruction and we've hit the big bomb cap or 2) we have no idea the kind of weapons ready to be unleashed that can wipe entire swathes of land clean in unstoppable unholy hellfire. Simple as, there is no inbetween.

 

[ShinyStar]

"You cant level entire cities with just one bomb, don't you think that's crazy? We only just invented cars, can you imagine how difficult it would be to even store an atom never mind split it" this isnt fallout bro war actually changes, especially behind closed doors. Im just saying we might see an entirely new class of destruction from weapons developed in the past 80 fucking years (nearly a century).

One of two things will be realized in Ww3 either 1)we'll realize that we've made nukes as strong as they'll ever be and thats the primo top tier destruction and we've hit the big bomb cap or 2) we have no idea the kind of weapons ready to be unleashed that can wipe entire swathes of land clean in unstoppable unholy hellfire. Simple as, there is no inbetween.

No in-between, no possible other option. You clearly have seen the future, Dr. Strange style. There's no possibility that Russia hasn't had the money or the scientists to develop the next superweapon, or that both nuclear arsenals are so old and decaying that they don't perform to task. Dear lord, we've got Fat levels of military genius in this very thread! It's definitely reality that is limited as per your scenarios and not your creativity, education or intelligence.

 

[TheGuntinator]

No in-between, no possible other option. You clearly have seen the future, Dr. Strange style. There's no possibility that Russia hasn't had the money or the scientists to develop the next superweapon, or that both nuclear arsenals are so old and decaying that they don't perform to task. Dear lord, we've got Fat levels of military genius in this very thread! It's definitely reality that is limited as per your scenarios and not my dick's ability to satisfy my girlfriend

"We might see weapons we've never seen before in ww3" *CONTROVERSY*

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

"You cant level entire cities with just one bomb, don't you think that's crazy? We only just invented cars, can you imagine how difficult it would be to even store an atom never mind split it" this isnt fallout bro war actually changes, especially behind closed doors. Im just saying we might see an entirely new class of destruction from weapons developed in the past 80 fucking years (nearly a century).

The thing with weapons is that the research into them spills over into other sectors, hence the industrial part of the military-industrial complex. No different than how nuclear bombs led to nuclear propulsion for ships and nuclear power for the market. If the Russians have science fiction doomsday weapons, then they should be building fusion reactors and shit because fancy nuclear bombs and antimatter all require fuck-huge magnets to work. It's literally the same as how Soviet ICBM research led them to putting the first satellite in space.

One of two things will be realized in Ww3 either 1)we'll realize that we've made nukes as strong as they'll ever be and thats the primo top tier destruction and we've hit the big bomb cap or 2) we have no idea the kind of weapons ready to be unleashed that can wipe entire swathes of land clean in unstoppable unholy hellfire. Simple as, there is no inbetween.

Not really, we still have yet to make pure fusion bombs (which produce lots of neutron radiation but smaller blast so are good at killing people but leaving buildings standing). And then there's science fiction shit like an antimatter catalyzed bombs, which while it can be extremely portable still requires you to store a few micrograms of antimatter (usually it's proposed as a spacecraft engines). Everything else was already built or tested at some point during the Cold War, so we do have an idea what we can do with nuclear weapons. The ending of Dr. Strangelove isn't entirely exaggerating.