Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Inebriated Raccoon]

It will be pretty interesting to get the clear picture in hindsight. I wouldn't be shocked at all if after this we hear wild shit like casualties were five times as high as being reported for both sides. People kept talking about how a modern war would be full of information but it's turning out to be as cloudy as ever.

I would argue that information on modern wars seems even worse. Due to the constant influx of information on social media, it is difficult to distinguish factual information from misinformation. Consequently, it’s easier to spread misinformation intentionally and unintentionally. It is also difficult to determine the sequence of events of all the information from the battle field.

However, the benefit of modern warfare is that the average person can record on the battlefield. So, it is even more difficult for governments to conceal any atrocities that they committed during war. Additionally, you no longer have to wait years after events for information on certain atrocities to leak or be declassified.

 

[Matt Damon]

Oh, you mean like Russia is doing now?

Yes.

 

[XYZpdq]

You can stop pretending that every single body wearing uniforms of

I just don't care about military nerd shit like that.
To be more clear I respect that such military uniform distinctions exist, much like "gun" is a lot of specific stuff. I've had buddies who were balls-deep in military nerd so I understand that there's a fuckton of things and I honestly don't really give a fuck about any of them, but I'll at least respect that I don't know shit rather than pretend I know a damn thing.

 

[ditto]

Will we see a "Stop Russian Hate" trend soon?*

I've been waiting for the zeitgeist to blame the invasion on Trump somehow because of the Zelenskyyyy impeachment phone call.

 

[Butter Keks]

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I've been waiting for the zeitgeist to blame the invasion on Trump somehow because of the Zelenskyyyy impeachment phone call.

Oh, peoples on socials have absolutely tried that.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Meanwhile for Americans of Russian descent, congrats you lot are the new sand niggers.

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That's all fake as fuck. Most Americans understand that Russians in America are not like Putin. Most came to America to get away from Putin. Putin is attacking Ukraine, not the USA. Americans are sperging against Putin but this is nothing compared to the sperging against dune coons after 9/11. This is easier to comprehend than the war on terror because it's not like al-Qaida had uniforms and a clear chain of command. They didn't even have borders. Farooq the 7-11 attendant looked just like Khalid al-Midar, and in to a Fox News viewer, could be part of a dreaded Al Qaida sleeper cell. There were rumors of al Qaida training camps in the Rocky Mountains. People were attacking Sikhs just because they wear turbans, not understanding that Sikhs often teamed up with Hindus to murder Muslims in India.

If Putin directly attacks the US things will change, but Americans are at least able to separate the Russians in the US from the Russians in Russia.

Now, if I was Russian and owned a small business in America, I would burn that shit down and say it was a hate crime, then collect insurance money.

 

[Pissmaster]

To the people asking why companies are so willing to pull out of Russia now despite it seemingly being against their self-interest:

There is no Russian economy anymore. There may have been record-growth for Ikea in the Russian market. It doesn't matter. The future of Russia is economic stagnation, high inflation, and economic sanctions that make it impossible to efficiently repatriate profits. There's no 'choice' to be made here - western governments made the choice for them.

And if the world Russia wants becomes a reality, there is no real future for international trade as we know it. Every multinational company has an incentive to put aside profits for the time being and push back against the country that's threatening the global order that's made them rich.

The ideas you have about free trade no longer apply. That world died two weeks ago.

Incels worldwide cheering 'cause they're finally gonna get Russian mail order brides

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

No, it's not a war crime, in regards to medical transports the war crime is attacking it or using it to directly conduct an attack, I.E. using it as mobile cover or firing from it during an assault and not merely as part of logistics, however it transporting ammo makes it legal to attack it.

That's odd, the movies they made us watch regarding the Geneva Convention explicitly told us that putting ammunition in an ambulance was a violation of the Geneva Convention.

Ambulances are VERY closely regulated.

It wasn't until recently that medical companies were allowed much more than LMG's.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The Ukrainians and Russians are using different uniforms and the Russians have several pieces of equipment not in use by the other side. You can stop pretending that every single body wearing uniforms of the Russian Airborne or Su-34 wrecks crashing on houses cannot be confirmed or run off into a tangent about brother wars. If the Russian government really wanted to give it to globohomo he could have just not invaded, especially in a season that provided advantage to the defender. Same with us when we constantly avoided actually going to war with Iran despite media hysteria.

Stop acting like you know more than anyone else here, you don't. Most of us are not jacking it to destroyed military equipment and dead soldier porn. If the braying for blood keeps getting louder, then maybe President Dementia will order some form of military action, so when the EMP hits you (and me), it won't matter what anyone here thinks or says.

Personally I want an end to all combat operations so people can bury their dead and rebuild their lives. And for the US to stay out of it.

 

[The Ugly One]

It's not like the Cuban missile crisis though. For one, US never actually launched a full invasion of Cuba. Bay of Pigs was a debacle but after that the US basically let the commies sit there and stew in their own rot.

The USA was prepared to launch literal nuclear war over Russian missiles in Cuba. Oh, but since global nuclear war isn't exactly the same as a ground-based invasion, that means these two situations differ in a detail, therefore cannot be compared in any way.

This is exactly what @Matt Damon was talking about. There is something broken in people's brains that makes them incapable of understanding analogies.

Argument of Ukraine shills:
Going to war over a perceived threat from a geopolitical foe in a border country is unreasonable.

Counterargument:
The USA was preparing to do just that in 1961 before Krushchev and Kennedy managed to negotiate terms. The difference is that in 2021, rather than negotiate, the USA and Russia continued to escalate.

Rebuttal
Ah, yes, but the USA was sending up B-52s to drop nuclear bombs on civilians, not roll tanks across farmland, which is completely different, therefore I do not understand the comparison you are making.

 

[Wyald]

Personally I want an end to all combat operations so people can bury their dead and rebuild their lives. And for the US to stay out of it.

lol
lmao even

 

[Inebriated Raccoon]

Incels worldwide cheering 'cause they're finally gonna get Russian mail order brides

Unless it’s impossible or near impossible to export Russian mail order brides due to sanctions.

 

[Slap47]

Studying German language and history is waste of time because the holocaust happened. Big brain hours.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

The USA was prepared to launch literal nuclear war over Russian missiles in Cuba. Oh, but since global nuclear war isn't exactly the same as a ground-based invasion, that means these two situations differ in a detail, therefore cannot be compared in any way.

This is exactly what @Matt Damon was talking about. There is something broken in people's brains that makes them incapable of understanding analogies.

Argument of Ukraine shills:
Going to war over a perceived threat from a geopolitical foe in a border country is unreasonable.

Counterargument:
The USA was preparing to do just that in 1961 before Krushchev and Kennedy managed to negotiate terms. The difference is that in 2021, rather than negotiate, the USA and Russia continued to escalate.

Rebuttal
Ah, yes, but the USA was sending up B-52s to drop nuclear bombs on civilians, not roll tanks across farmland, which is completely different, therefore I do not understand the comparison you are making.

And actual better one is Grenada.

But then, that one isn't very well known.

America abandoned plans to strike at the groups responsible for the Beirut Barracks Bombing, activated 82nd, 101st, 75th, and 1st Cav. Mobilized the Navy, the Air Force, the Marines, the Army. Made amphibious, airborne, and helicopter assaults on Grenada.

They didn't tell anyone why, although the after claims are that the USSR was moving weapons and Cubans and other shit through Grenada.

It even has a major world power fucking up by the numbers.

 

[ditto]

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Studying German language and history is waste of time because the holocaust happened. Big brain hours.

I bet there's some Three Letter Agencies that would be interested in hiring..

 

[Czechem Republic]

There is something broken in people's brains that makes them incapable of understanding analogies.

All analogies are leaky and they are often used to discard nuance, if not make things actively harder to understand.

Lobbing nukes is of a whole other level than rolling tanks.

 

[Mr Bunny]

This is exactly what @Matt Damon was talking about. There is something broken in people's brains that makes them incapable of understanding analogies.

Abstracts are difficult for autists.

 

[The Ugly One]

Yeah, they only threatened nuclear war until the Soviets de-escalated the situation.

So just to recap: invasion very, very bad; nuclear fucking armageddon totally acceptable.

Apparently all the "cannot do analogies" brains think it would have been fine if, in response to continued US escalation in Ukraine, Russia had pointed ICBMs at LA and NYC and put them on a timer instead, and ordered us to stop arming Ukraine in order for him to hit the kill switch.

Wait, ICMBs aren't B-52s, so that's completely different!

 

[Fcret]

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Studying German language and history is waste of time because the holocaust happened. Big brain hours.

God as much as I wanna like Kraut and believe he's turned himself around with long autism videos with actual production quality... the dude is such a whiny manic-depressive faggot. I had to unfollow him because he'd post some stupid pseud shit, someone would point out he was wrong, and then he'd delete the tweet. Literally woman-tier behavior.