Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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I actually liked Zelensky at the start of this thing, but this whole jet and No Fly Zone shit has made me hate him, for fucks sake they clearly don't want to give you that, so bring it down to being much more reasonable and ask for medium and long range SAMs, NATO countries barely fucking use them anyways.
Dude is on the front lines watching his country get steamrolled because everyone else doesn't want to really *really* make Putin mad.

They'll just nuke the Russian economy, block all their flights etc etc but to actually step in and *do* anything? That's just crazy.
 
Somewhere there is a red-eyed and demoralized Ukrainian intelligence agent creating fake wine mom accounts to thirst-post for his president, because said president probably thinks that is a better use of Ukrainian intelligence than figuring out how to kill Russians. The poor guy is probably praying for the sweet release that only a Russian artillery shell can provide him.
Wine moms actually are hot for Zel, people I know IRL's socials are first posting for the man.

LinkedIn is a wonderful playground you guys should investigate oneday, but on linkedIn they're all like #LEADERSHIP. :eggplant::eggplant:💦

You have to realized the cucked world a winemom lives in. Globohomo hasn't allowed a real man from reality to be depicted, just eyecandy on the good place or whatever.

She reports to who Chad boss who is too busy in his dad phase to pay attention, or she has to deal with a bunch of sicophants and keep everyone happy and try to understand why the new blood in the org is all ... "woke"

Winemom leftism is why can't the beta male orbiters just date eachother, but still bring her resources so she can watch the CBS.

Like ZalZal is kinda based, and being based is cool. What I don't like is his dicksucking cult.
 
Something that sorta bums me out is the lack of videos showing dead Ukrainian soldiers on Russian telegrams.

That's not to say that I'm a staunch pro-Rus guy; it's just to say that if there's very little videos about that, it means that there's no concrete proof of deaths on the Ukie side.

I realize that Russian soldiers don't usually post media like that because they're on the winning side, and so they have nothing to prove. Also, to do such things would mean giving away their positions, so when they take photos of the dead, they stick to taking photos of those that they killed in the rural areas outside a city, which are usually generic environments that are hard to geolocate, kind of like taking a selfie in front of a white wall so you don't get doxed easily. The same thing goes when Russians want to take pics of destroyed or captured Ukie vehicles.

The only video of dead Ukie soldiers that I posted was taken by other Ukie soldiers. Speaking of Ukies, they're obviously very fond of taking or posting videos and photos of dead Russians and their destroyed/captured convoys. Just go on pro-Ukrainian Twitters like @666_mancer, @worldonalert and others, and you'll see what I mean.

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If you ask me why I think Ukies post more vids like this, it's probably because generating the perception that they're winning the war matters much more than keeping their positions completely secret. If they can generate this kind of perception, it's much easier for the Zelensky's International Legion to get foreign volunteers.

So, if you happen to see an account that posts dead Ukie soldiers, let me know. I've scoured through lots of Rus telegram accounts and I couldn't find anything significant. This basically leaves the count of Ukrainian army casualties up to my imagination, and as of now, I think they're in deep trouble.

Videos of dead soldiers are the most concrete forms of proof for casualties in a war. You can fake being an enemy soldier and getting captured. You can't fake lying on the floor with your limbs awkwardly bent, blood dripping from your temple and your guts hanging out.
You're not the only that asked the question. The Guardian has this article that has the same question as well (archive). Interestingly, the author also said that the "Territorial Update" maps might not fully reflect the real condition on the ground, just as some here have said before
the gas money

so far the sanctions all excluse the energy sector, which is by far the biggest and most important sector for russian foreign trade. if the euros somehow find their balls and cut the gas lines, then it will actually start hurting russia.
of course it would also hurt europe at the same time, but europe can replace russian gas more easily than russia can replace european cash flow.
The slowness in cutting off from Russian energy is most likely the Europeans thinking, negotiating, and preparing for alternatives. Is there anyone else in the world that can supply that much oil and gas near the European? Genuine question by the way
Gotta tell ya, believe that horse has left the barn. The Russians themselves put out news about high-ranking officers being killed. We're up to one two-star, two colonels, maybe more. All Russians need do is watch YouTube. I know there are Russians inside Russia itself who post things on YT, so guess YT is still available there. As always, truth is one of the first casualties of war...
I'm wondering how the young people in Russia is feeling about this war. They're the one that will be sent to replenish the dead veterans sent to Ukraine. I know about an athlete that openly wears the Z necklace, but what about the others? And as shown elsewhere, the youngs are the ones that consumed media the most, and I wonder how different their feelings and thought would be than the older people
If the Russian leadership genuinely is as top-heavy and tentative as it's increasingly looking like it might be, then the best way to end this war may be to appeal to those close to Putin and offer Russia a way out of this conflict through them. Putin may inspire fear among his cronies, but he cannot act without their support, and if he even senses that they may be tempted by the thought of withdrawing it, that will surely give him some pause.
People are saying that sanctions doesn't work, citing places like Cuba, NK, and Iran. The thing is, they managed to survive since they have Russia and China trading with them. Another important thing is that in those places, the elites and the people are controlled using ideology and/or religion, "selfless reasons", let's we call it.

In contrast, the Russian elites are fueled only by greed for money and power, "selfish reasons". If situation continues to deteriorate, those same elites might reconsider their allegiance, and there's nothing stopping their thought because after all, their only drive is their own survival with money and power
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I know this shit is vodka propaganda but it's such a retarded idea that i can see it being possible.
Think of this; NATO has left you alone and denied the no fly zone you've been requesting for a while, poland won't send you jets, apart from military supplies and humanitarian aid you are essentially left alone to fend by yourself against russia, some days ago your 6 nuclear reactors were at risk of being exposed before being taken by the russians, so what do? you blow up your own reactors, expose the whole of europe and some small parts of russia to radiation for months, probably years to come, say ruskis did it, thus dragging more countries into your fight and who knows what happens after that.
I call bullshit on this one. Lets put it this way and assume this is true, this would be a very big operation and needed top level secrecy. If the Russian knew about it, there's no way in hell the Western Glowniggers wouldn't know it. They would have reprimand and pull the plug on Ukraine by now. Besides, as crazy as the Avoz are, nobody would want to live in a nuclear wasteland. It just doesn't make sense, just another Iraq WMD scare tactic
Zelensky either has some multiple personality shit or much more likely is the puppet of multiple pupeteers. Going between crying that NATO has to help, that various nations have totally pledged to help honest, that NATO are cowards who are responsible for all of this and that they're crushing Russia on every front and are going to persecute them. Whichever face he's deciding to show at any moment I cannot see how he is in the slightest bit likable.
That's standard politician shit, they can change their faces in no time. I used to work for a politician, and he can change his demeanor in very quick succession. In one hour he can be a fatherly figure, in next one a popular people's champion, and the next one making sketchy deal with businesses. And the dude wasn't some weak puppet politician, he actually has power and brain to manuver here and there
 
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You're the guy who implied that Ukraine was deliberately moving their shit near civvies because human shields.
I implied they were not moving their civilians and instead hiding behind them. To be clear and spare you from trying to find my views in my post history, I am on board with the "Zelensky is ok with Ukrainians being killed at the hands of Russians so long as it helps reel in the greater powers into the conflict" idea.
 
Its propaganda.
NATO is giving away weapons for free usually.
Are you being intentionally obtuse? By this logic any warning preceding a bombing in history was a waste of time and not at all a message telling non-combatants to get the fuck out of the blast zone.
I mean NATO goes so far as to actually drop flyers to warn the combatants themselves to get the fuck out of their own blast zone.
Really, this was probably written by the Canadians. Edit: (old war btw. dont panic)

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Its propaganda.
NATO is giving away weapons for free usually.

I mean NATO goes so far as to actually drop flyers to warn the combatants themselves to get the fuck out of their own blast zone.
Really, this was probably written by the Canadians.

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To the extent that the receiver is not paying with money yes.
 
I get the impression that Russia only has a bullet waiting for him. His global owners have far worse in mind.
Its not that conspiracies don't happen, but I don't think {{{TBTB}}} are always in consensus. I think there are plenty who would love pull Ukraine into their sphere of influenced with a hero-leader to have the moral highground in debates to come.

"Eat the bugs, the ukies did it to beat the russians, and they liked it"
 
I think there are more Ukie videos because most Russians had their phones confiscated for opsec reasons.

Yeah, that's what everyone's been saying. When considering that Russia wants this invasion to look as non-lethal and peaceful as possible to their population, it makes sense.

And yes, I do know it's for opsec. That's why I mentioned that taking photos and videos makes locating your position on the enemy's part much easier
 
Dude is on the front lines watching his country get steamrolled because everyone else doesn't want to really *really* make Putin mad.

They'll just nuke the Russian economy, block all their flights etc etc but to actually step in and *do* anything? That's just crazy.
Well maybe Zelensky should have thought about that when he was provoking the much more powerful country he bordered that literally has the largest nuclear arsenal on earth.
 
Supposedly Ukrainian, which if true means they've got to be getting down to the conscripts, since this nigger has clearly not been trained properly on how to use a machine gun.
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I feel like I've seen the clips years ago, Ukrainian defense line on Eastern Ukraine I think, post 2014. The grainy quality was similar
You should have included the full text, he's trying to bring India to the problem. You have to commend Pakistan, they will always try to bring down India whenever they have the chance. Not like it's wrong though
 
You can have an axe to grind with Turks all you want but you can look up the reports from back then and it's fairly obvious that people supported the Turkish side more than just because "we need them in muh NATO". Even many of the Greek Cypriots didn't want to unite with Greece because surprise, surprise, they consider themselves a separate nation. The violence may have went both ways originally but by 1974, it was pretty heavily one-sided.
It's more like Greek and Turkish Cypriots generally lived together pretty well, but suddenly when it was politically convenient for the Turks the Greek Cypriots, who didn't want to join with Greece, decided to genocide the Turkish Cypriots. Which justified the Turks invading Cyprus and remaining there to this day, of course. And NATO just looks the other way, not because they need the Turks to die for them, but because the Turks, a nation that wouldn't know anything about committing genocide and brutalizing ethnic minorities, makes a purely moral decision.
 
I mean NATO goes so far as to actually drop flyers to warn the combatants themselves to get the fuck out of their own blast zone.
Really, this was probably written by the Canadians.

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Yeah western countries tend to be much more gracious, giving days in advance to gtfo.
Russia is never going to be as generous but it's not like the word is hard to get out when internet is still up and it's all in the same city. They can move these people to another part of the city or the bomb-shelter metro ASAP instead of saying "Think of the people you're going to kill" as if Russian leadership cares.

Even before this Russia told civilians to leave the city entirely and what highway to use to do so. The tweet quoting Zelensky had him basically blaming the West for the upcoming fatalities saying they can stop it but choose not to. He is fucked up.
 
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