Are Green Initiatives doing more harm than good? - Paying Regimes that hate you for fuel instead of producing your own

[Marissa Moira]

With the price of gas reaching Obama levels retarded again for no real reason other than political lobbyist dick sucking, we're to the point where you have people justifying paying shitholes like Venezuela for oil or getting a ladyboner at the thought of $9 a gallon so people will be too poor to drive cars and everyone will become cyclists.

I mean there's a laundry list of things that were supposed to be good for the environment like throwing tires in the ocean to grow coral reefs or corn subsidies for ethanol and it both turned out to make the whole situation worse. Forcing the end of oil may indeed be one of these things that could cause a bronze age collapse at some point. I mean nobody seems to question someone if it's stated to be good for the environment. Who's environment first off? If you mean like plants and trees they'll have no problem reclaiming abandoned cities as is, but for all the people who left the city, what about their livelihoods? Should we just render all common people as statistics that were constructed by groups of people who live in bubbles to begin with?

I mean having a politician yell and scream about how we all have to cut back while they still take multiple leisure flights every week really tends to ring on deaf ears

 

[millais]

The Greens killed Europan nuclear, now look what happens when the Russians don't feel like supplying natural gas.

 

[Blasterisk]

Look, you have to strip mine mountain ranges for minerals or the environment is gonna die. Just tow the mountains out of the environment when you're done.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Green initiatives are completely taken over by corporations and globohomo, so every "solution" is either pointless (paper straws), destroys the local economy so the elites could save a few dollars (moving factories to China), or a waste of money (huge investments in "Green" energy that barely supplies 1% of energy needs). If humanity goes extinct due to this then we fucking earned it.
The public is stupid, so the public will pay.

 

[Penis Drager]

The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the environment.

Memes aside: Wildlife preserves are great for dealing with the decline of biodiversity. The oceans are fucked, though. Dumping tires in there? You're smoking crack. That's not how coral reefs work. There are initiatives where concrete "sculptures" designed to assist the wildlife, but dumping that kind of trash (tires) into the ocean is just gonna kill shit.
Nuclear is a great long term solution but natural gas i much more easily throttle-able. You have to take into account the changing energy demands throughout the day.
Better battery tech can help fix this but the reality is there is no fixing.
Climate Change is real; it's mainly our fault; The hysteresis is way too long for anyone to really notice; we'll find ways to manage the massive pain in the ass it will be.

I hope this post is somewhat coherent...

 

[Vault Boy]

Very much so, given how our leaders seem intent on shoving EVs down our throat regardless of their current practicality.

Not even a gradual weening from gasoline cars, they want us to go electric now now NOW NOW NOW NOOOOOWWWWW!!!

Who could forget their shunning of nuclear in favor of costly, impractical, and ironically pollutive "green" energies? Solar my ass...

 

[sasazuka]

Not even a gradual weening from gasoline cars, they want us to go electric now now NOW NOW NOW NOOOOOWWWWW!!!

I heard something about that on CBC Radio on Monday afternoon, specifically how demand in Ontario vastly exceeds current supplies of EVs, even for used EVs, so, right now, you gotta wait a while even if you're willing to make the shift to electric.

 

[gang weeder]

I'm thoroughly convinced that most "green" anything is a scam. This includes electric cars.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I heard something about that on CBC Radio on Monday afternoon, specifically how demand in Ontario vastly exceeds current supplies of EVs, even for used EVs, so, right now, you gotta wait a while even if you're willing to make the shift to electric.

Also where are we exactly mining the minerals needed for batteries? How secure is that supply chain?

 

[gang weeder]

Also where are we exactly mining the minerals needed for batteries? How secure is that supply chain?

I am curious what the selling point for EVs is besides muh climate change. There are plenty of potential problems with them even if you accept that narrative, of course.

 

[The Big O]

I am curious what the selling point for EVs is besides muh climate change. There are plenty of potential problems with them even if you accept that narrative, of course.

There really is no selling point to EVs as things in the world currently stand. It's just another inefficient and unnecessary step to the process of energy usage in automobiles. The part most of the obsessives forget is that the energy to charge an EV still needs to come from somewhere as a source, and we already see that solar and wind are woefully impractical to meet the energy demands of the world today.

If energy production were more secured and plentiful, and sourced from things like natural gas and especially nuclear, then and only then would EVs actually be on a level of practicality with diesel engine cars. But until that's the case, EVs are basically lemons.

 

[Merried Senior Comic]

Exterminate the Chinks and Poojeets and you will have a green planet.

 

[Ser Prize]

I'm thoroughly convinced that most "green" anything is a scam. This includes electric cars.

That's where I'm at. It's all so obviously a scam because if they actually cared they'd support nuclear. As it stands it's just a grift to limit travel rights/ability to the modern day aristocrats.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

Yes most of them are bad. I think the only initiative that's good would be the solar panels, not only it's a longer lasting energy resource than nuclear energy, but it also reduces the electricity bills.

I think one of the worst ones would be the massive metallic "windmills" because they are impracticable, expensive and require wind to work properly, so most of the time they don't do anything.

 

[Ser Prize]

Yes most of them are bad. I think the only initiative that's good would be the solar panels, not only it's a longer lasting energy resource than nuclear energy, but it also reduces the electricity bills.

I think one of the worst ones would be the massive metallic "windmills" because they are impracticable, expensive and require wind to work properly, so most of the time they don't do anything.

Solar panels are a grift, frankly. At least large scale solar farming. I can see people having solar panels for personal use, but having big ass solar farms takes up way too much space, and the materials needed to create them have toxic byproducts. They also don't last very long and pollute the earth as they break down.

The best "green" energy sources are thermal and hydro, and we don't see that big of a push for those.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

The best "green" energy sources is nuclear energy

i fixed it for you fam

 

[Wesley Willis]

There's nothing green about a Green New Deal. The Patriot Act isn't patriotic. Affordable housing doesn't exist. It's all doublespeak.

 

[TurdFondler]

Green initiatives exist solely to ensure that a shift in energy doesn't change the status quo and power structures.

Green energy would theoretically lead to larger energy independence, which would be horrible for globohomo. Oil is great because it naturally centralizes power.

 

[Anti-Intellectual]

Given the tremendous leaps and bounds in terms of energy production, efficiency, and safety overall, I would be an avid nuclear advocate. I believe nuclear energy in all its forms supplemented by hydro, geothermal where applicable then micro energy production like solar and wind is the future of clean, affordable energy generation we have available. As it stands now, all energy production systems I mentioned aside from nuclear simply do not generate enough energy even in the optimal environments possible for them, our energy demands are simply that steep.

 

[Ser Prize]

i fixed it for you fam

You aren't wrong, but in the 'green' spectrum the ones that actually work are hydro and geothermal. Which is why those two don't get pushed all that much.