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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Just to take a final crack at the "Russia is sending in its shit forces to see how good the Ukrainians are first" narrative.

Ignoring the fact they've sent in motorised rifle divisions, VDV, Spetsnaz, modern fighter jets and attack helicopters.

Russia have about 170 high readiness BTGs (Battalion Tactical Groups). The rest of their army is basically just not worth talking about if they aren't fighting defensively, or beating up civilians. 120 of these BTGs were on the border with Ukraine, and all have now been committed.

So over 2/3rds of their best units have been committed - but we are being told it's just a feeling out attack. Sure.
 
The "muh Nazis" excuse that the Russians have falls apart when you look at the context:


The far-right Ukrainian "Nazis" constitute a minority in Ukraine's political system, and their president is quite literally a Jew with family members who survived the Nazi Holocaust. Which means the Azov battalion aren't even proper Nazis; they take orders from a Jew who survived the Nazis' attempts to wipe out Jews in Ukraine. They even see Israel as a healthy example of what a state should be:


"More than 40 Israeli human rights activists signed a petition to stop arms sales to Ukraine arguing that Israel is selling military-style Tavor and Negev automatic weapons to the Ukrainian government knowing that some of these arms end up in the hands of the right-wing Azov militia. Despite accusations that the group is antisemitic, some members of the Jewish community in Ukraine support and serve in the Azov Battalion. One of its most prominent members is Nathan Khazin, leader of the "Jewish hundreds" during the 2013 Euromaidan protests in Kyiv. In an interview, Andriy Biletsky explained that he regards Israel and Japan as role models for the development of Ukraine."

No proper Nazi would praise Israel, let alone take orders from a Jewish president or accept Jews into their ranks.
 
Just to take a final crack at the "Russia is sending in its shit forces to see how good the Ukrainians are first" narrative.
They're sending in their best and getting some real results. Major cities in Chernigov and Sumy are surrounded and blasted regularly. Several brigades approached Kiev itself from the east and are now standing there shelling the city. The situation down south is, essentially, going south.

And no, russkies didn't lose over 11k men.
 
They're sending in their best and getting some real results. Major cities in Chernigov and Sumy are surrounded and blasted regularly. Several brigades approached Kiev itself from the east and are now standing there shelling the city. The situation down south is, essentially, going south.
Results? If they were getting real results, Zelinsky should be dead by now.

And no, russkies didn't lose over 11k men.
Proof? Until the fog of war lifts, any casualty report can be seen as accurate.

Just to take a final crack at the "Russia is sending in its shit forces to see how good the Ukrainians are first" narrative.

Ignoring the fact they've sent in motorised rifle divisions, VDV, Spetsnaz, modern fighter jets and attack helicopters.

Russia have about 170 high readiness BTGs (Battalion Tactical Groups). The rest of their army is basically just not worth talking about if they aren't fighting defensively, or beating up civilians. 120 of these BTGs were on the border with Ukraine, and all have now been committed.

So over 2/3rds of their best units have been committed - but we are being told it's just a feeling out attack. Sure.
They blew their load out in the first week, and now they're sending in foreigners to help fight their war for them. They're basically just working with mostly conscripts, a minority of experienced soldiers, and now they're throwing foreign experts, showing that their forces are in desperate straits.

This is not a superpower at war. This is an oversized banana republic throwing everything at the wall to see what works.
 
Results? If they were getting real results, Zelinsky should be dead by now.
Well excuse mister Pu for hyping up his VDV in the populace eyes as being capable of singlehandedly deal with urban combat and taking Kiev in three hours tops. Other than that, the fighting's already spread far beyond Kherson down south,

I'd say the same. Hohols are well-known for their casualities reports. Practice dating as far back as post-WWII Banderovets' partisan action. Even now they straight up lie and produce fake footage. One single example of this -- ukrainian page about "Horlovka offensive". It's like an uncontested rule of propaganda narrative whereas articles in russian and english straight up doubted the very existence of such action.
By no means russian casualities report may be 100% true, but i'd say their lie at least looks plausible.

They still haven't taken them after a week?
It's like several BTGs keeping ukrs there at bay. I'd say too early for going in, but idk about forces stationed in.
 
They still haven't taken them after a week?
Yep. Which goes to show that most of their best has been spent in that initial push.

Well excuse mister Pu for hyping up his VDV in the populace eyes as being capable of singlehandedly deal with urban combat and taking Kiev in three hours tops. Other than that, the fighting's already spread far beyond Kherson down south,
And? Kiev is right next door to Belarus. It should have been the first major city to fall.

I'd say the same. Hohols are well-known for their casualities reports. Practice dating as far back as post-WWII Banderovets' partisan action. Even now they straight up lie and produce fake footage. One single example of this -- ukrainian page about "Horlovka offensive". It's like an uncontested rule of propaganda narrative whereas articles in russian and english straight up doubted the very existence of such action.
By no means russian casualities report may be 100% true, but i'd say their lie at least looks plausible.
No it doesn't. Putin's side has been throwing one big lie after another.

"The Ukrainian government is full of Nazis!"
"This is just a special military operation!"
"The Ukrainian people are being rescued from becoming western puppets!"

Seriously, he bought so much into his own bullshit that it made his army the laughingstock of the world. All sensible military analysts thought Kiev would fall within days. We're about to hit week 2 of the invasion, with Kiev still safely out of Putin's control.

So yes, it is plausible that the Russian side is the bigger bullshitter here when it comes to casualties.
 
They're sending in their best and getting some real results. Major cities in Chernigov and Sumy are surrounded and blasted regularly. Several brigades approached Kiev itself from the east and are now standing there shelling the city. The situation down south is, essentially, going south.

And no, russkies didn't lose over 11k men.
Real results such as:
Huge losses of equipment.
Huge losses of soldiers.
Not taking first day objectives 12 days in.
Unable to knock out the Ukrainian airforce.
Unable to knock out Ukrainian air defences which are still very effective.
Maybe you missed the part where as soon as they reached Mykolaiv in the south the VDV lost their first column. So yeah, it's starting to go South for Russia there too.

From open source int visual confirmation they've lost 200 odd tanks, 800 IFVs. Ukraine has been visually confirmed to have captured more vehicles than they have lost.

You been cope watching RT there buddy?
 
Real results such as:
Huge losses of equipment.
Huge losses of soldiers.
Not taking first day objectives 12 days in.
Unable to knock out the Ukrainian airforce.
Unable to knock out Ukrainian air defences which are still very effective.
Maybe you missed the part where as soon as they reached Mykolaiv the VDV lost their first column.
Well, those are real results. For the Ukrainians, of course.

You been watching RT there buddy?
He probably is. Thank God I unsubscribed from that BS a week before the invasion.
 
It's like several BTGs keeping ukrs there at bay. I'd say too early for going in, but idk about forces stationed in.
I dont consider that a great result if they're just barely about to take cities on their borders. So far, it seems like the situation is mostly unchanged with the only major captured city being Kherson in the south and that was under defended.
 
The far-right Ukrainian "Nazis" constitute a minority in Ukraine's political system, and their president is quite literally a Jew with family members who survived the Nazi Holocaust. Which means the Azov battalion aren't even proper Nazis; they take orders from a Jew who survived the Nazis' attempts to wipe out Jews in Ukraine. They even see Israel as a healthy example of what a state should be:
Muh "proper nazi's".
Are they violent fucks who use violence or threat of violence for political purposes?
Yes? No?
Current situation is different 'cause of shooting war.
 
eal results such as:
Huge losses of equipment.
Huge losses of soldiers.
Not taking first day objectives 12 days in.
Unable to knock out the Ukrainian airforce.
Unable to knock out Ukrainian air defences which are still very effective.
Maybe you missed the part where as soon as they reached Mykolaiv in the south the VDV lost their first column. So yeah, it's starting to go South for Russia there too.
I guess it's pretty easy to count Russkie's losses from your mobility scooter all the way from the US of A. Believing ukr casuality reports and sources at face value you might as well call in for avengers to save the day.

Ukr air force pre-war numbered about 110 fighter jets. Ain't too many of them in the sky these days. Same with long-range SAM. Nevermind them not accounting for lotsa stingers generously provided by US taxpayers. That's about it for ukr air defense. as Ru airships hunt for convoys around Donbass oblast'. One of them was reportedly struck trying to evacuate.

Russkies objectives are up for speculation.
 
Muh "proper nazi's".
Are they violent fucks who use violence or threat of violence for political purposes?
Yes? No?
Current situation is different 'cause of shooting war.
They're a part of the nation's military since 2014. And no, "violent fucks who use violence or the threat of violence for political purposes" applies to more than just Nazis. Almost every other race out there, and many groups OPPOSED to Nazis, have done the same exact thing. Fucking Commies beat them to it a decade early.

I guess it's pretty easy to count Russkie's losses from your mobility scooter all the way from the US of A. Believing ukr casuality reports and sources at face value you might as well call in for avengers to save the day.
Far better than believing the side whose whole reason for the war was bullshit from the start.

Ukr air force pre-war numbered about 110 fighter jets. Ain't too many of them in the sky these days. Same with long-range SAM. Nevermind them not accounting for lotsa stingers generously provided by US taxpayers. That's about it for ukr air defense. as Ru airships hunt for convoys around Donbass oblast'. One of them was reportedly struck trying to evacuate.
Same goes for the Russians. They keep losing aircraft to NATO MANPADs used by Ukrainians. What is funny, however, is that the Russians have been forced to abandon armored vehicles to common farmers due to their shit logistics.

Russkies objectives are up for speculation.
They openly stated it to the world, they're saving Ukraine from "Nazism" and trying to rescue them from being "western puppets". And they made a big push for Kiev only to fail miserably in the first week.

Face it, they blew their load on the first week and are now just using sloppy seconds to make up for the fact that their best wasn't enough.
 
I guess it's pretty easy to count Russkie's losses from your mobility scooter all the way from the US of A. Believing ukr casuality reports and sources at face value you might as well call in for avengers to save the day.
I was referring just to what OSINT has been able to visually confirm. I tend to believe the Ukrainian reports over Russian ones, you know since Russia says insidiously retarded shit like Ukraine is shelling its own civilians.

With that said, you're right we can't confirm those numbers at the moment. I never denied that.

Oh nice one, anyone who doesn't have a weird delusion of Russia military greatness is a consoomer. Never heard that one before bud-dee.
Ukr air force pre-war numbered about 110 fighter jets. Ain't too many of them in the sky these days.
US Int disagrees. Stating they have the majority of their fix wing assets remaining.
Same with long-range SAM.
One shot down a cruise missile yesterday, a very difficult feat - esp with old S300s - which indicates those that remain are in a good state. No evidence any have been destroyed. They are asking for more S300 missiles which further indicates they are in working order - and doing a good job.
Nevermind them not accounting for lotsa stingers generously provided by US taxpayers. That's about it for ukr air defense. as Ru airships hunt for convoys around Donbass oblast'. One of them was reportedly struck trying to evacuate.
Actually they have a lot of AA systems that are medium range. Old Soviet kit.

None of this would be an issue for Russian jets if they used PGMs instead of dumb bombs which require them to fly low to have a chance to hit their targets. Making them vulnerable.

Also, if you know anything about air defense - and I know a little - you will realise that tactics matter. Hence a Serb took down a F-117 Nighthawk Stealth fighter in the 1990s with a 1960s Soviet AA system, having observed how the Iraqis fucked it in Desert Storm despite having probably the best integrated GBAD system in the world at that time.
Russkies objectives are up for speculation.
Oh sure, but are you going to tell me the attempted thunder run into Kyiv didn't fail it's day one objective when they were all killed or captured.

How about the attack at Hostomel Airport that sought to clear the way for a larger landing force that had to divert?

The Russians planned for a short sharp war, and that being the case their military objectives have failed.

Again, go back to cope watching RT there bud-dee.
 
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Even if Russia (somehow) succeeds at taking Ukraine, sanctions will catch up to them within a few months and resistance forces will keep Puty from successfully controlling the country. Even some of the oligarchs Putin has in his back pocket are telling him to cut his losses and pull back.
The US managed to take control of Iraq in 6 weeks, from the other side of the world, and couldn’t control the populace. Russia can’t take 1st day targets after 2 weeks of invading it’s own neighbor. And the US didn’t get sanctioned to shit the way Russia is being either (Seriously, Russia’s tech sectors are going to be destroyed).
But hey, Putin‘s masturbation fantasies about resurrecting the USSR sure came to fruition, a horribly isolated nation that‘s on the verge of economic collapse. I suppose he wanted a bit more than it’s bitter end though.
Meanwhile if Ukraine pulls through, they’re going to get a massive economic boom from oil and gas projects, to mining and all sorts of heavy industry. Actually, doesn’t Germany need aluminum mills but don’t know where to put them? Ukraine is perfect for the job. We could see a massive EU revitalization out of this.
 
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